Jennifer Crumbley found guilty. Hope this opens the door for prosecuting parents for their children's violent crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

He hadn't been a student at Fairfax county schools for years. How long is someone supposed to be "accountable" for a crime they did not commit?

Oh damn, the VT shooter stalked several women. Why am I not at all surprised?

As for your question, maybe there can be a statute of limitations on the non parental parties - but not the parental parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suggest that anyone who is interested in understanding the families of school shooters, plus mental health, take some time to read this article:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/12/04/what-happens-to-a-school-shooters-sister

Thank you so much for sharing this article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suggest that anyone who is interested in understanding the families of school shooters, plus mental health, take some time to read this article:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/12/04/what-happens-to-a-school-shooters-sister

Thank you so much for sharing this article.

Can you gift it? I have exceeded my number of articles. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suggest that anyone who is interested in understanding the families of school shooters, plus mental health, take some time to read this article:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/12/04/what-happens-to-a-school-shooters-sister

Thank you so much for sharing this article.

Can you gift it? I have exceeded my number of articles. Thank you.

I can’t because I don’t have a subscription. I have also exceeded my article limit but was able to open it in incognito mode so maybe try that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

I’m going to be LIVID if the mom is convicted and the dad is acquitted. I despise the double standard our society holds for moms vs dads, and I think some of Mrs. Crumbley’s case (the way the prosecution painted her as more concerned about an affair than her kid, for example) would NEVER have been used against a dad in the same way.

The dad bought the gun - I actually think he’s more liable than the mom. The mom wasn’t great, and she messed up big time, but so did dad and I just have a feeling he’s going to be let off. I hope I’m wrong.

I'm not sure about this, I think the prosecution will use any and all evidence they have against Mr. C. There was a case in Georgia where a father left his infant son in a car during the summer and the baby sadly passed away. The father claimed it was an accident and he had just forgotten his son was in the car, but the father was charged with and found guilty of murder based largely on evidence that he was carrying out numerous affairs, sexting other women, etc. I totally agree that Mr. Crumbley is just as accountable as his wife in this case, though, regardless of her affairs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

DP. I don't know how you can attempt to draw a parallel between Lanza's brother and dad.

The dad, at some point, was responsible for Adam for the overwhelming majority of his life. Parents are responsible for their children and the people they choose to bring into this world. At no point are siblings responsible for their siblings.

And at some point in Lanza's 18 o 20 years, I'm sure there were a ton of signs that the dad ignored or decided weren't worth squabbling with his ex over. Of course the dad should be culpable.

[Anonymous]

How do you get a mentally ill teen -especially one over 18 “committed?” Where are these magical institutions that have beds available because I think my legally adult teen might be violent? Are they for adults or kids? If they are not state-run, I assume they can just check themselves AMA if they want? If not, who’s paying for it? Does the person’s right to freedom disappear if I am afraid they might commit a crime? Why hold Adam Lanza’s father responsible when he had to no ability to change the circumstances of his son’s condition? Was he supposed to forcibly imprison his son? Slip him an un prescribed medication? Smother him with a pillow? What’s the degree of responsibility for another person’s actions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

DP. I don't know how you can attempt to draw a parallel between Lanza's brother and dad.

The dad, at some point, was responsible for Adam for the overwhelming majority of his life. Parents are responsible for their children and the people they choose to bring into this world. At no point are siblings responsible for their siblings.

And at some point in Lanza's 18 o 20 years, I'm sure there were a ton of signs that the dad ignored or decided weren't worth squabbling with his ex over. Of course the dad should be culpable.

Parents are no longer responsible for their kids once they turn 18.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you get a mentally ill teen -especially one over 18 “committed?” Where are these magical institutions that have beds available because I think my legally adult teen might be violent? Are they for adults or kids? If they are not state-run, I assume they can just check themselves AMA if they want? If not, who’s paying for it? Does the person’s right to freedom disappear if I am afraid they might commit a crime? Why hold Adam Lanza’s father responsible when he had to no ability to change the circumstances of his son’s condition? Was he supposed to forcibly imprison his son? Slip him an un prescribed medication? Smother him with a pillow? What’s the degree of responsibility for another person’s actions?

Exactly. Some of these posters are completely delusional about the power someone has over an ADULT family member. It's great that they haven't had to experience this as parents of mentally ill children, but maybe they will understand if their own parent ever has dementia but still "competent" enough to not be declared mentally incompetent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suggest that anyone who is interested in understanding the families of school shooters, plus mental health, take some time to read this article:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/12/04/what-happens-to-a-school-shooters-sister

Thank you so much for sharing this article.

I don't need to. understand their utter lack of parenting.

Columbine, Sandy Hook and VT all had crap parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you get a mentally ill teen -especially one over 18 “committed?” Where are these magical institutions that have beds available because I think my legally adult teen might be violent? Are they for adults or kids? If they are not state-run, I assume they can just check themselves AMA if they want? If not, who’s paying for it? Does the person’s right to freedom disappear if I am afraid they might commit a crime? Why hold Adam Lanza’s father responsible when he had to no ability to change the circumstances of his son’s condition? Was he supposed to forcibly imprison his son? Slip him an un prescribed medication? Smother him with a pillow? What’s the degree of responsibility for another person’s actions?

Exactly. Some of these posters are completely delusional about the power someone has over an ADULT family member. It's great that they haven't had to experience this as parents of mentally ill children, but maybe they will understand if their own parent ever has dementia but still "competent" enough to not be declared mentally incompetent.

Columbine they were minors.

Those parents should have gone to jail period. And every dime they ever made given to the medical bills of the students that survied. The one mother who wrote a book looking for sympathy no hell no.

As for Adam Lanza yes adult however his mother promoted his gun ownership and his mental decline. His mother was as complicit as he was.

VT that shooter should have never graduated from Fairfax county ever. Massive failure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

The father knew what was going on in that house. He walked the hell away and left his son to langish with his crap mother. Their divorce was god awful. However the father is as much to blame as the mother he knew about the guns he knew what his wife was doing and he walked away. Zero empathy for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you get a mentally ill teen -especially one over 18 “committed?” Where are these magical institutions that have beds available because I think my legally adult teen might be violent? Are they for adults or kids? If they are not state-run, I assume they can just check themselves AMA if they want? If not, who’s paying for it? Does the person’s right to freedom disappear if I am afraid they might commit a crime? Why hold Adam Lanza’s father responsible when he had to no ability to change the circumstances of his son’s condition? Was he supposed to forcibly imprison his son? Slip him an un prescribed medication? Smother him with a pillow? What’s the degree of responsibility for another person’s actions?

Exactly. Some of these posters are completely delusional about the power someone has over an ADULT family member. It's great that they haven't had to experience this as parents of mentally ill children, but maybe they will understand if their own parent ever has dementia but still "competent" enough to not be declared mentally incompetent.

Columbine they were minors.

Those parents should have gone to jail period. And every dime they ever made given to the medical bills of the students that survied. The one mother who wrote a book looking for sympathy no hell no.

As for Adam Lanza yes adult however his mother promoted his gun ownership and his mental decline. His mother was as complicit as he was.

VT that shooter should have never graduated from Fairfax county ever. Massive failure.

Wrong. Eric Harris was 18.

And what does "graduating from Fairfax county" have to do with the VT shooting? Do you really believe that if Fairfax county schools had expelled him and refused to allow him to graduate, that he would have been miraculously mentally cured and never carried out any horrific acts? Graduating high school is what led him to perform a mass shooting? Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

The father knew what was going on in that house. He walked the hell away and left his son to langish with his crap mother. Their divorce was god awful. However the father is as much to blame as the mother he knew about the guns he knew what his wife was doing and he walked away. Zero empathy for him.

Someone can be aware of what's happening and still be powerless to stop it.