Jennifer Crumbley found guilty. Hope this opens the door for prosecuting parents for their children's violent crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

At least $100K. Two and a half years of PR at two firms costs a lot more than a hundred dimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how many posts in this 15 page DCUM thread are from the two PR firms hired by the Oakland County, Mich. prosecutor to smear this family? How many posts are from Hulu and Washington Post staff or PR, who had embedded exclusives with the prosecutor's office, while a judge had issued a gag order?

Contracts that date back to Jan. 1, 2022, show the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office spent at least $100,000 of taxpayer money when it entered into agreements with two public relations firms, Identity and Moment Strategies, LLC, to “manage and coordinate the media."
...
The prosecution "ignored that order" and brokered contracts with two national media outlets, including ABC News, which produced a documentary about the Crumbleys called "Sins of the Parents" that aired on Hulu nine days after James Crumbley was convicted. The documentary included interviews with prosecutors in their homes and offices, where they discussed the case with reporters, despite there being a gag order. Jennifer and James Crumbley were tried and convicted in separate trials.
...
Also at issue for Dezsi is a contract that the prosecutor's office brokered with a Washington Post reporter, who also had inside access to the prosecutor's office before and during trial, and even sat in on trial strategy sessions when prosecutors discussed how they would present certain evidence, or what questions they would ask of certain witnesses.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

That's not what "smear" means. Sorry, friend. They were bad parents and deserved conviction.

How do you feel about parents whose teens are repeatedly unsupervised and kill someone by speeding or carjacking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how many posts in this 15 page DCUM thread are from the two PR firms hired by the Oakland County, Mich. prosecutor to smear this family? How many posts are from Hulu and Washington Post staff or PR, who had embedded exclusives with the prosecutor's office, while a judge had issued a gag order?

Contracts that date back to Jan. 1, 2022, show the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office spent at least $100,000 of taxpayer money when it entered into agreements with two public relations firms, Identity and Moment Strategies, LLC, to “manage and coordinate the media."
...
The prosecution "ignored that order" and brokered contracts with two national media outlets, including ABC News, which produced a documentary about the Crumbleys called "Sins of the Parents" that aired on Hulu nine days after James Crumbley was convicted. The documentary included interviews with prosecutors in their homes and offices, where they discussed the case with reporters, despite there being a gag order. Jennifer and James Crumbley were tried and convicted in separate trials.
...
Also at issue for Dezsi is a contract that the prosecutor's office brokered with a Washington Post reporter, who also had inside access to the prosecutor's office before and during trial, and even sat in on trial strategy sessions when prosecutors discussed how they would present certain evidence, or what questions they would ask of certain witnesses.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

That's not what "smear" means. Sorry, friend. They were bad parents and deserved conviction.

How do you feel about parents whose teens are repeatedly unsupervised and kill someone by speeding or carjacking?

They don’t care. They only want to smear and destroy parents perceived to be low income right wing MAGA voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how many posts in this 15 page DCUM thread are from the two PR firms hired by the Oakland County, Mich. prosecutor to smear this family? How many posts are from Hulu and Washington Post staff or PR, who had embedded exclusives with the prosecutor's office, while a judge had issued a gag order?

Contracts that date back to Jan. 1, 2022, show the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office spent at least $100,000 of taxpayer money when it entered into agreements with two public relations firms, Identity and Moment Strategies, LLC, to “manage and coordinate the media."
...
The prosecution "ignored that order" and brokered contracts with two national media outlets, including ABC News, which produced a documentary about the Crumbleys called "Sins of the Parents" that aired on Hulu nine days after James Crumbley was convicted. The documentary included interviews with prosecutors in their homes and offices, where they discussed the case with reporters, despite there being a gag order. Jennifer and James Crumbley were tried and convicted in separate trials.
...
Also at issue for Dezsi is a contract that the prosecutor's office brokered with a Washington Post reporter, who also had inside access to the prosecutor's office before and during trial, and even sat in on trial strategy sessions when prosecutors discussed how they would present certain evidence, or what questions they would ask of certain witnesses.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

That's not what "smear" means. Sorry, friend. They were bad parents and deserved conviction.

How do you feel about parents whose teens are repeatedly unsupervised and kill someone by speeding or carjacking?

They don’t care. They only want to smear and destroy parents perceived to be low income right wing MAGA voters.

That previous poster said bad parents deserve conviction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

[Anonymous]

The foot soldiers are back rationalizing their corruption and sociopathy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

A documentary isn't smearing, if it's accurate. Are you saying these are fake facts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

A documentary isn't smearing, if it's accurate. Are you saying these are fake facts?

This entire circus is the corrupt Democrat machine apparatus to gun grab and destroy a low class right wing family. There are hundreds of parents in Detroit or Washington you could charge with similar annually. Let me know when the Democrat machine puts this effort into doing that. It’ll never happen.

[Anonymous]

I think it should be illegal for prosecutors to hire pr firms to essentially seed potential jury pools, if that’s what happened here. But having reporters in the courtroom and in the prosecutor’s office as long as they are not divulging confidential information could be in the public interest for transparency and accountability.

[Anonymous]

The Democrat county prosecutor is a Democrat congresswoman’s twin sister. Plus Disney, ABC News, Hulu and WaPo. Whole lot of power and money behind this weaponized prosecution and smear job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

A documentary isn't smearing, if it's accurate. Are you saying these are fake facts?

This entire circus is the corrupt Democrat machine apparatus to gun grab and destroy a low class right wing family. There are hundreds of parents in Detroit or Washington you could charge with similar annually. Let me know when the Democrat machine puts this effort into doing that. It’ll never happen.

It seems that you think shooting children at school is no different than any other gun crime (by a minor or an adult). Others disagree, including me. Schools are a sacred place and should be safe for children, and school shooters, who are almost always children, sometimes with bad parents, are a different category.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

A documentary isn't smearing, if it's accurate. Are you saying these are fake facts?

This entire circus is the corrupt Democrat machine apparatus to gun grab and destroy a low class right wing family. There are hundreds of parents in Detroit or Washington you could charge with similar annually. Let me know when the Democrat machine puts this effort into doing that. It’ll never happen.

Aww a MAGAt feeling like everyone's picking on her. How unusual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

A documentary isn't smearing, if it's accurate. Are you saying these are fake facts?

This entire circus is the corrupt Democrat machine apparatus to gun grab and destroy a low class right wing family. There are hundreds of parents in Detroit or Washington you could charge with similar annually. Let me know when the Democrat machine puts this effort into doing that. It’ll never happen.

Four children died.