Jennifer Crumbley found guilty. Hope this opens the door for prosecuting parents for their children's violent crimes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

A documentary isn't smearing, if it's accurate. Are you saying these are fake facts?

This entire circus is the corrupt Democrat machine apparatus to gun grab and destroy a low class right wing family. There are hundreds of parents in Detroit or Washington you could charge with similar annually. Let me know when the Democrat machine puts this effort into doing that. It’ll never happen.

Four children died.

Please link us to all of your posts where you call for the District parents of the teens who killed that Lyft driver and Uber eats driver to be sent to prison for life. Or any of the other of hundreds of teen homicide perpetrators’ parents in Detroit and Washington DC annually.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

A documentary isn't smearing, if it's accurate. Are you saying these are fake facts?

This entire circus is the corrupt Democrat machine apparatus to gun grab and destroy a low class right wing family. There are hundreds of parents in Detroit or Washington you could charge with similar annually. Let me know when the Democrat machine puts this effort into doing that. It’ll never happen.

Four children died.

Please link us to all of your posts where you call for the District parents of the teens who killed that Lyft driver and Uber eats driver to be sent to prison for life. Or any of the other of hundreds of teen homicide perpetrators’ parents in Detroit and Washington DC annually.

Giving a firearm to your minor child who is mentally unstable and has made threats goes far beyond inadequate supervision. If you’re not going to help your struggling child, at the very least, don’t arm them with a lethal weapon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We will need to build a ton of prison cells if we are going to put all the negligent parents in jail.

Why did the other Jennifer Crumbley thread disappear?

That would be lovely.

However I will settle for
Columbine parents
Father of Sandy Hook shooter

And VT shooters parents held civilly libel and shunned from society. And any teacher that shit had in his school system and VT.

This is insane. The VT shooter was an adult. Same for the Sandy Hook shooter and the mom died. This is why parents shouldn't be held responsible. For crazies like this person. They aren't in your belly anymore. Hoe can these people be independent and also have someone else be responsible for their actions?

NP.

Do you think the violent tendencies started on the above shooters' 18th birthdays? You don't think the previous 18 years of neglectful parents had any impact?

The kettle was boiling in all of these shooters, LONG before they became legal adults. The people legally responsible for them then should held accountable - it's not like the VT and Sandy Hook shooters were in their 40s and developed some late in life mental problems.

Blaming the teachers, however, is insane.

Sometimes even great parents can't save an evil child. Don't be so sure about yourself or your offsprings.

[Anonymous]

Imagine if this was implemented in DC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if this was implemented in DC

It’s implemented in Detroit where there are 300 homicides a year and untold number of shootings, armed robberies, rapes, and car jackings and nothing happens. These specific parents were only targeted by the Democrat machine because they’re right wing MAGA peasants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

Yeah, that's rather damning, isn't it?

No. It’s more of the same PR smearing.

A documentary isn't smearing, if it's accurate. Are you saying these are fake facts?

This entire circus is the corrupt Democrat machine apparatus to gun grab and destroy a low class right wing family. There are hundreds of parents in Detroit or Washington you could charge with similar annually. Let me know when the Democrat machine puts this effort into doing that. It’ll never happen.

Four children died.

Please link us to all of your posts where you call for the District parents of the teens who killed that Lyft driver and Uber eats driver to be sent to prison for life. Or any of the other of hundreds of teen homicide perpetrators’ parents in Detroit and Washington DC annually.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We will need to build a ton of prison cells if we are going to put all the negligent parents in jail.

Why did the other Jennifer Crumbley thread disappear?

That would be lovely.

However I will settle for
Columbine parents
Father of Sandy Hook shooter

And VT shooters parents held civilly libel and shunned from society. And any teacher that shit had in his school system and VT.

This is insane. The VT shooter was an adult. Same for the Sandy Hook shooter and the mom died. This is why parents shouldn't be held responsible. For crazies like this person. They aren't in your belly anymore. Hoe can these people be independent and also have someone else be responsible for their actions?

NP.

Do you think the violent tendencies started on the above shooters' 18th birthdays? You don't think the previous 18 years of neglectful parents had any impact?

The kettle was boiling in all of these shooters, LONG before they became legal adults. The people legally responsible for them then should held accountable - it's not like the VT and Sandy Hook shooters were in their 40s and developed some late in life mental problems.

Blaming the teachers, however, is insane.

Sometimes even great parents can't save an evil child. Don't be so sure about yourself or your offsprings.

You are absolutely right, but parents need to show that they tried to support their kids and sought therapy -- and not absent, drunk, using drugs, having affairs, or failing to monitor their teens' wherabouts and activities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So how many posts in this 15 page DCUM thread are from the two PR firms hired by the Oakland County, Mich. prosecutor to smear this family? How many posts are from Hulu and Washington Post staff or PR, who had embedded exclusives with the prosecutor's office, while a judge had issued a gag order?

Contracts that date back to Jan. 1, 2022, show the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office spent at least $100,000 of taxpayer money when it entered into agreements with two public relations firms, Identity and Moment Strategies, LLC, to “manage and coordinate the media."
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The prosecution "ignored that order" and brokered contracts with two national media outlets, including ABC News, which produced a documentary about the Crumbleys called "Sins of the Parents" that aired on Hulu nine days after James Crumbley was convicted. The documentary included interviews with prosecutors in their homes and offices, where they discussed the case with reporters, despite there being a gag order. Jennifer and James Crumbley were tried and convicted in separate trials.
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Also at issue for Dezsi is a contract that the prosecutor's office brokered with a Washington Post reporter, who also had inside access to the prosecutor's office before and during trial, and even sat in on trial strategy sessions when prosecutors discussed how they would present certain evidence, or what questions they would ask of certain witnesses.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

That's not what "smear" means. Sorry, friend. They were bad parents and deserved conviction.

How do you feel about parents whose teens are repeatedly unsupervised and kill someone by speeding or carjacking?

NP. They should be punished too 100%. Maybe not to the extrnt the Crumbleys are (this was such an egregious case. They refused to get their mentally ill kid help and instead bought him a gun that he used to commit premeditated murder against random kids he attended school with).

But they absolutely should be held accountable in some way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how many posts in this 15 page DCUM thread are from the two PR firms hired by the Oakland County, Mich. prosecutor to smear this family? How many posts are from Hulu and Washington Post staff or PR, who had embedded exclusives with the prosecutor's office, while a judge had issued a gag order?

Contracts that date back to Jan. 1, 2022, show the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office spent at least $100,000 of taxpayer money when it entered into agreements with two public relations firms, Identity and Moment Strategies, LLC, to “manage and coordinate the media."
...
The prosecution "ignored that order" and brokered contracts with two national media outlets, including ABC News, which produced a documentary about the Crumbleys called "Sins of the Parents" that aired on Hulu nine days after James Crumbley was convicted. The documentary included interviews with prosecutors in their homes and offices, where they discussed the case with reporters, despite there being a gag order. Jennifer and James Crumbley were tried and convicted in separate trials.
...
Also at issue for Dezsi is a contract that the prosecutor's office brokered with a Washington Post reporter, who also had inside access to the prosecutor's office before and during trial, and even sat in on trial strategy sessions when prosecutors discussed how they would present certain evidence, or what questions they would ask of certain witnesses.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

That's not what "smear" means. Sorry, friend. They were bad parents and deserved conviction.

How do you feel about parents whose teens are repeatedly unsupervised and kill someone by speeding or carjacking?

NP. They should be punished too 100%. Maybe not to the extrnt the Crumbleys are (this was such an egregious case. They refused to get their mentally ill kid help and instead bought him a gun that he used to commit premeditated murder against random kids he attended school with).

But they absolutely should be held accountable in some way.

+1 PP here. I agree with all you said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

You’re a dunce. The fame-seeking bimbo prosecutor tainted the case and polluted the jury pool. This is going to be overturned.

[Anonymous]

…and used taxpayer money to do it, even after a judge put a gag order on everyone! Profoundly unethical and frankly juvenile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Free Press front page today.

Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2025/01/13/crumbley-campaign-smear-prosecution-defense-ethan/77664834007/

Actual headline is "Lawyer: Prosecution paid $100K to PR firms to 'smear' the Crumbleys"

That first word is actually relevant.

I was also struck by this quote from the same lawyer:

"On this point, it is worth repeating that there is no binding precedent in Michigan from which to find that Mrs. Crumbley owed any legal duty to protect the victims (or the public at large) from the intentional, criminal acts of her son,"

His argument is that the Crumbleys had zero responsibility to their community, to their son's peers, or apparently to their son, who was 15 when he killed four classmates. At 15, they purchased their mentally ill teen a handgun, did not install the FREE trigger lock, and did not secure the weapon.

Moreover, after their 15 year old had killed four classmates, they emptied their savings accounts and helped him run. That is not the response of a person with any sort of moral compass or impulses to be a member of a functioning society.

You’re a dunce. The fame-seeking bimbo prosecutor tainted the case and polluted the jury pool. This is going to be overturned.

Tainted the jury pool from a documentary that was released after the verdict? Is she a Time Lord?

[Anonymous]

They were called to the school that day. Were asked to take him home. They refused. Knew he had access to the gun. And told the school nothing. Nothing.