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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA. [/quote]

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.[/quote]

+1. Muslims and progressives are not natural allies, as Muslims voters - like all religious conservatives - oppose LGBTQ rights, abortion access, religious freedoms (except for themselves) and most key liberal views. In the UK, Muslim groups have led the way against COVID mandates, gay marriage, and teaching about sexuality in schools. I don't know why Dems don't learn. Religious conservatives are not our friends - no matter what country they come from[/quote]

Don’t know about the UK but US Muslims certainly weren’t against Covid mandated and went anti vax. You are right about the other stuff though. By the way I’m not what you would consider religious conservative. I don’t cover my hair. Look pretty “western.” I supported gay marriage because hey to each their own. But I draw the line at this new promotion of trans ideology to our kids. So when you say “religious conservatives” aren’t your friends know that they may mean Muslims that don’t look like religious conservatives and aren’t religious. They just believe that sex is a binary - something that apparently throws you in the MAGA category these days.[/quote]

I know many liberals who are not on board with the new trans ideology and I, personally, do not support biologically male athletes playing sports with biological females. That said religious conservatives, including many Muslims, do not support a woman's right to abortion, gay marriage, or respect our individual right to privacy. For this reason, I do not, and will likely never, support any religiously conservative candidates. Were I to find myself in Hamtramck or any other city that is now majority conservative, immigrant Muslim, I would absolutely move. Likewise, should I find myself in a small town in upstate NY that were taken over by a majority Hasidic council, I would freaking run. There's so much overlap between those communities and rural, Bible belt America. I stay far, far away[/quote]

PP you are responding to here. Actually you would be surprised, Muslim voters are very varied on abortion. Also the individual right to privacy is built into Islamic law. For example adultery and premarital sex is a sin and illegal under Islamic law but only if there are four witnesses. There have been countless writings by Muslim jurists saying that the reason the four witnesses are required is because of Islam’s respect for privacy. The issue is always what if you know someone is having premarital sex but there are no witnesses (four witnesses or actual penetration). Well Muslim jurists would say that there is nothing you can do about it because the right to privacy is paramount. I am simplifying but it’s quite ingrained in Islamic law.

I personally support gay marriage and a woman’s right to choose. But the trans ideology and shoving this ideology down our throats is what is turning Muslims away from the Democratic Party. Democrats always supported a woman’s right to choose and gay marriage. But Muslims still voted democrat regardless. No one cared. But what is happening now is too much. Muslims have realized that democrats are trying to push their ideological beliefs in their kids heads and it’s just too much. [/quote]

You are entitled of course to think and vote however you want but I really disagree that dems are forcing “trans ideology” down anyone’s throats, much less that it justifies supporting the Republican agenda.

As Jeff has noted, lots of times on this site people say “trans” when they mean “gay” I guess because it’s more acceptable to complain about trans visibility than gays. This is like when CAIR MD wrote an op ed for the Post saying they just want to opt out of sex ed when they really want an opt out anytime a gay character appears in a book. 
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This is what I’m trying to explain to you. Did you read the twitter thread that I posted. Opposing trans ideology is not support for a republican agenda. Muslims opposing it because they are simply against it. This may mean that they align with republicans on this issue but that’s just a coincidence. Also I know this may be too complicated for many simpletons, but many Muslim majority countries do allow for gender transitions. The difference between what they allow and what this new ideology preaches is that we still believe that there are two distinct biological sexes. Some people feel they are born the wrong sex, and after extensive psychological assessment are allowed by law and medically to transition to the opposite gender. However you don’t have anyone saying that sex isn’t a binary and you have multiple genders and pushing all this unscientific BS on kids. As a child growing up in a Muslim majority country I distinctly remembered a girl in my school who believed she was a boy. She went through an extensive psychological assessment (what we call today “watchful waiting”). As an adult she began hormone therapy and did surgery to transition to a man. Then his lawyer brought a case in court. He officially underwent a name change and was treated as a man. That being said he is considered a trans man. We all know that there is a biological difference between a trans man and a biological male. But socially he was treated as male. Iran is slightly more liberal than my country of origin when it comes to gender transitions but again they view sex as a strict binary. In that the assessment is slightly less rigorous. Unfortunately Iran’s relative liberalism (compared to my country), is related to its deep seated homophobia (of course homophobia is an issue in my country as well). A lot of trans ideology is arguably result of deep seated homophobia that’s why you gave movements such as LGB drop the T.[/quote]

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