He used red pill terminology

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Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

That’s cute that you think he actually still respects you. Or women in general.

Horrible that her son has taken responsibility for himself. What will leftists do without victimhood?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to follow all of this but I don’t understand how we can be whores slutting around with all the muscle jerks but also alone because we prioritized our careers? And also to blame for sexless nice men?

All the “normal” guys know is that they aren’t having sex and the women they like aren’t into them. Back in “the good old days,” it wasn’t like this.

With those as your givens, you can spin whatever narrative you want as explanations. If it weren’t for feminism, women would have to think long term about whether and with whom they had sex. They couldn’t just spend their twenties being part of Chad Thundercock’s harem!

And/or maybe they’re chasing a degree in Advanced Women’s Studies or a career in divorce law so hard they aren’t paying proper attention to settling down with a nice boy and making a home for him and his children.

People make fun of my time in Chad harem, but it was really a sisterhood and I felt emotionally supported the whole time.

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Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

Hello. My point in saying "but I am his mother" is acknowledging that he is not going to tell me everything. He knows exactly how I feel about misogyny. I have abdicated no role. I do a lot of listening but to do that I have to do less shutting down. I think there is a lot of conflation with red pill and incel mentality as well. We have had a lot of discussion about that. DS hates the incel mentality.

I would also say that the most important parent on the matter of teaching these lessons to teen boys are fathers but somehow that seems to get overlooked. My main point is that this red pill stuff is maybe somewhat more socially acceptable for young guys trying to find their way in the world but more concerning if a 40yo man is still looking to it for guidance .

I found this article to be eye-opening about it when it comes to young people: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-tate-jail-investigation.html

You are perpetrating his world view by saying it should be fathers to impart this worldview! Does your DH tell him unequivocally that women are just as capable and deserving as men? Over and over? My DH does to our older teen boys. I would not tolerate less.

To you, I warn you that your son may cut you off. That’s what my red pill brother did to my mom. Think about where decades of blame will land him.

To OP, have you thought about what this guy might do when you divorce? Spew hatred to your kids. Make your life miserable. Again, what my brother does to his ex and daughters.

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Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

DP. Lay off. There’s no one proven way to respond. You seem more interested in forcing a mother to condemn and write off her son, than in what it would take to actually educate him and persuade him. I personally believe that the less taboo you make this stuff, the better. If this PP totally polarizes the matter, do you think that will help?

Condemn and write off? No.

Speak up clearly and unequivocally, calling out this red pill insanity, being clear that she can love him but also will not tolerate certain things? Yes.

Strange that you don't see the difference.

Not tolerate what? Ideas and beliefs he has? She can make clear she disagrees but saying “I will not tolerate your beliefs!” is a really juvenile way to go about engaging with someone.

DP. Wut? You think she should tolerate misogyny?

No wonder this country is going down the sheeter.

This specific exchange is in response to a mom w a 19 year old DS and rather than shut him down, she walks a line so that she can have a window into what he is thinking and experiencing. She’s not “tolerating misogyny” nor is her DS making misogynistic statements. She’s insightful enough to know that if he does have misogynistic thoughts and beliefs, he would likely filter them in front of her. IMO, she’s being a thoughtful parent of her young adult son. She knows that lecturing him, and judging him will shut down lines of communication and give her zero opportunity to know what’s going on with him.

She's still being naive. She still has no idea how deeply he has or hasn't internalized the messages he's hearing.

It's strange the you think her only option other than merely listening and "having a window" is for her to "lecture and judge" him. There is a third option: She could treat him like the adult he supposedly is, and talk to him openly and frankly about why, as not just mom but as a woman, she knows this ideology is problematic at best and vile at worst. But nope, she's going to watch and wait so she doesn't alienate him. She doesn't have to lecture and alienate him but I don't see that she's truly engaging him either.

A lot of assumptions here about me but I understand you have a point to prove.

Sounds like you are passively watching your kid become a misogynist.

“ My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. ”

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Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

Hello. My point in saying "but I am his mother" is acknowledging that he is not going to tell me everything. He knows exactly how I feel about misogyny. I have abdicated no role. I do a lot of listening but to do that I have to do less shutting down. I think there is a lot of conflation with red pill and incel mentality as well. We have had a lot of discussion about that. DS hates the incel mentality.

I would also say that the most important parent on the matter of teaching these lessons to teen boys are fathers but somehow that seems to get overlooked. My main point is that this red pill stuff is maybe somewhat more socially acceptable for young guys trying to find their way in the world but more concerning if a 40yo man is still looking to it for guidance .

I found this article to be eye-opening about it when it comes to young people: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-tate-jail-investigation.html

You think this is ok because it doesn't affect you and you think you are safe from the impact of red pill mentality. In reality you are cosigning and facilitating the abuse of women, including yourself, eventually. Just keep making yourself and your beliefs smaller.

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I’m trying to follow all of this but I don’t understand how we can be whores slutting around with all the muscle jerks but also alone because we prioritized our careers? And also to blame for sexless nice men?

When a portion of the population (white males) feel they begin to lose their status and automatic privilege to women, POC, they need to create an enemy. But it’s not just gender. The economic shifts in our society toward the condensation of wealth and lack of opportunity for wage growth, the rising costs if health care andeducation, all this has pushed automatic social and financial attainment further away for everyone but it’s men who perceive they have lost most ground (still not crying for them). Our careers and independence (abortion restrictions notwithstanding) are painful signs of loss of automatic privilege. Using social shame that veers into violence is an attempt at control. Note that op described unmarried women over 30 as both whores but also had to attack their having degrees. The idea of educated, sexually liberated (can’t be shamed) and financially secure women is threatening. Why else attack?

Misogyny and hate crimes against women (hate crimes in general) have increased worldwide while political gains that support women have been attacked, abortion rights chief among them.

Social media is corrosive—for both women and men- too long to get into here but it’s a distraction from real issues and a way to generate and sustain outrage. Ultimately red pill theology is even more cult like than what they hate as conventional social mores, but it’s a comforting illusion to some that men could still obtain some sort of “natural” hierarchy without having to oppress women (because they are oppressed!).

The [young] men I see tend to fall into two categories—those who view women as equals and those who don’t.

I think it's a mistake to paint white males as cartoonish villains and I think you're point about capitalism's role is well taken. The average white man isn't trying to lord over anyone even if he does have blind spots about the ways in which being a white man has, overall, made his life easier than if everything else was equal and he was Black or a woman. A lot of these guys find themselves struggling economically despite a willingness to work hard. And then he feels like he's been declared the enemy and, despite getting beaten around by the world pretty good, people are calling him privileged. Enter the grifters and the cynics who will try to make a buck or gain a follower by taking advantage of his reaction to being called privileged.

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Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

Hello. My point in saying "but I am his mother" is acknowledging that he is not going to tell me everything. He knows exactly how I feel about misogyny. I have abdicated no role. I do a lot of listening but to do that I have to do less shutting down. I think there is a lot of conflation with red pill and incel mentality as well. We have had a lot of discussion about that. DS hates the incel mentality.

I would also say that the most important parent on the matter of teaching these lessons to teen boys are fathers but somehow that seems to get overlooked. My main point is that this red pill stuff is maybe somewhat more socially acceptable for young guys trying to find their way in the world but more concerning if a 40yo man is still looking to it for guidance .

I found this article to be eye-opening about it when it comes to young people: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-tate-jail-investigation.html

You think this is ok because it doesn't affect you and you think you are safe from the impact of red pill mentality. In reality you are cosigning and facilitating the abuse of women, including yourself, eventually. Just keep making yourself and your beliefs smaller.

Right, the best way to teach young men is for their mothers to condemn and reject them!

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Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

Hello. My point in saying "but I am his mother" is acknowledging that he is not going to tell me everything. He knows exactly how I feel about misogyny. I have abdicated no role. I do a lot of listening but to do that I have to do less shutting down. I think there is a lot of conflation with red pill and incel mentality as well. We have had a lot of discussion about that. DS hates the incel mentality.

I would also say that the most important parent on the matter of teaching these lessons to teen boys are fathers but somehow that seems to get overlooked. My main point is that this red pill stuff is maybe somewhat more socially acceptable for young guys trying to find their way in the world but more concerning if a 40yo man is still looking to it for guidance .

I found this article to be eye-opening about it when it comes to young people: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-tate-jail-investigation.html

You think this is ok because it doesn't affect you and you think you are safe from the impact of red pill mentality. In reality you are cosigning and facilitating the abuse of women, including yourself, eventually. Just keep making yourself and your beliefs smaller.

Right, the best way to teach young men is for their mothers to condemn and reject them!

You get that your response is a straw man argument, right? You just destroyed an argument nobody was making.

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Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

Hello. My point in saying "but I am his mother" is acknowledging that he is not going to tell me everything. He knows exactly how I feel about misogyny. I have abdicated no role. I do a lot of listening but to do that I have to do less shutting down. I think there is a lot of conflation with red pill and incel mentality as well. We have had a lot of discussion about that. DS hates the incel mentality.

I would also say that the most important parent on the matter of teaching these lessons to teen boys are fathers but somehow that seems to get overlooked. My main point is that this red pill stuff is maybe somewhat more socially acceptable for young guys trying to find their way in the world but more concerning if a 40yo man is still looking to it for guidance .

I found this article to be eye-opening about it when it comes to young people: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-tate-jail-investigation.html

You think this is ok because it doesn't affect you and you think you are safe from the impact of red pill mentality. In reality you are cosigning and facilitating the abuse of women, including yourself, eventually. Just keep making yourself and your beliefs smaller.

Right, the best way to teach young men is for their mothers to condemn and reject them!

You get that your response is a straw man argument, right? You just destroyed an argument nobody was making.

What argument are you trying to make? Do you think there are some magic words the mom needs to say to the 19 year old?

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Anonymous wrote:My 19yo ds is into the red pill. I have let him run his mouth about it to see how far down the hole he has gone. Most of it is about politics/economic structure (matrix) but it has also given him significant motivation to work hard and take care of himself - almost like a guide for what it is to be a "high value man." I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows how I feel about Andrew Tate.

Now, if I were dating a man in his 40s or whatever who referred to anything re Red Pill or used the words OP said he did, I would be out of there immediately.

You believe you're being smart and cagey, letting him "run his mouth" so you can gauge how far his thinking goes. But you're actually being naive (a term I feel sure will make you furious, but...you are naive.) Why? "I have not heard misogyny but I am his mother and he knows...." etc. What you have "heard" means exactly nothing. You have no idea what he's reading online, what he's writing in posts, what is inside his head. Just because you haven't heard comments you think are clearly misogynist, that does not mean he isn't engaging with others you don't know, and isn't buying every idea they're selling. He's your little boy and knows not to spew red pill misogyny in front of mom; that does not mean he isn't absorbing and internalizing it. But you seem to think it's good enough that you haven't heard it and he knows how you feel about ONE commentator. If you don't actually dig into what he thinks and tell him in no uncertain terms he's wrong, you have abdicated your role as a mother of a young man who is going to end up just another red piller, treating women...the way red pill men do.

And you even find the silver lining! He's working hard and taking care of himself to become a "high value man." The fact you present that as a kind of positive is baffling. Men can, and do, work hard and take care of themselves without the inspiration of this particular way of thinking. You sound desperate to find some kind of "up side" to your son's descent into this way of thinking. Well, he'll be buff, at least.

Hello. My point in saying "but I am his mother" is acknowledging that he is not going to tell me everything. He knows exactly how I feel about misogyny. I have abdicated no role. I do a lot of listening but to do that I have to do less shutting down. I think there is a lot of conflation with red pill and incel mentality as well. We have had a lot of discussion about that. DS hates the incel mentality.

I would also say that the most important parent on the matter of teaching these lessons to teen boys are fathers but somehow that seems to get overlooked. My main point is that this red pill stuff is maybe somewhat more socially acceptable for young guys trying to find their way in the world but more concerning if a 40yo man is still looking to it for guidance .

I found this article to be eye-opening about it when it comes to young people: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-tate-jail-investigation.html

You think this is ok because it doesn't affect you and you think you are safe from the impact of red pill mentality. In reality you are cosigning and facilitating the abuse of women, including yourself, eventually. Just keep making yourself and your beliefs smaller.

Right, the best way to teach young men is for their mothers to condemn and reject them!

You get that your response is a straw man argument, right? You just destroyed an argument nobody was making.

What argument are you trying to make? Do you think there are some magic words the mom needs to say to the 19 year old?

PP is saying that condemning and rejecting young men is not the best way to teach young men. I'm arguing that nobody has said that it is.

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Anonymous wrote:“Red pill” is a cluster of beliefs ... that women are ... fundamentally dishonest about their desires related to men and sex ... that chicks dig jerks ... when women are in their twenties, sexually adventurous, and hot. ... if you want women to take your resources & secretly despise you, listen to what they say. If you want to have sex with them, take the red pill and watch what they do.

Accurate summary. Physician Scott Alexander illustrated the appeal of this perspective:

‘Henry’ came to hospital after being picked up for police for beating up his fifth wife. ...

I’m constantly teased and mocked for being a virgin and a nerd whom no one could ever love – how is this fair?

In high school each extra IQ point above average increases chances of male virginity by about 3%. 35% of MIT grad students have never had sex, compared to only 20% of average nineteen year old men.

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Anonymous wrote:“Red pill” is a cluster of beliefs ... that women are ... fundamentally dishonest about their desires related to men and sex ... that chicks dig jerks ... when women are in their twenties, sexually adventurous, and hot. ... if you want women to take your resources & secretly despise you, listen to what they say. If you want to have sex with them, take the red pill and watch what they do.

Accurate summary. Physician Scott Alexander illustrated the appeal of this perspective:

‘Henry’ came to hospital after being picked up for police for beating up his fifth wife. ...

I’m constantly teased and mocked for being a virgin and a nerd whom no one could ever love – how is this fair?

In high school each extra IQ point above average increases chances of male virginity by about 3%. 35% of MIT grad students have never had sex, compared to only 20% of average nineteen year old men.

Hah. Yup. Men take a look at their lived experiences (like being a high-IQ virgin nerd), compare them to what they think they see about other men (Henry and his five wives, dumb jock a**holes who seem to get a bunch of girls). They also compare what they think they are told (women like smart, sensitive guys with a good sense of humor who treat them well) with what they think they see (again - jerks getting the girl; women even complain about how all the men they date are a-holes!) Enter someone who wants their money and to influence them by stoking their resentment over this dynamic, add a bunch of social media types telling the virgin nerds that they are privileged and bad and should just suck it up, and holy shit! We have a toxic brew.

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Anonymous wrote:Men ... also compare what they think they are told (women like smart, sensitive guys ...) with what they think they see (again - jerks getting the girl). Enter someone who wants their money ..., add a bunch of social media types telling the virgin nerds that they are privileged and bad and should just suck it up, and holy shit! We have a toxic brew.

Yes, men's forums became infested with commercial PUA scammers, self-promoters like Andrew Tate, Walter Mitty alter-egos, and bitter misogynists. But as Scott Alexander wrote in "Radicalizing the Romanceless", they were the only place to go for useful commiseration and advice. Feminists were nasty to him. DMV dating authors Erika Ettin and Jennifer Lourie kept spreadsheets of their online dates, using men for free dinners and book material. Scott Alexander needed to avoid such women.

DCUM has many Red-Pill-aware posters. Indeed, DC spawned notorious haters Roosh and Roissy. D.C. has the thinnest and most educated women in the country, so men should not complain. But it is also very polarized about dating, and Jeff is quick to nuke posts that offend his sensibilities.

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Anonymous wrote:But as Scott Alexander wrote in "Radicalizing the Romanceless", they were the only place to go for useful commiseration and advice.

I don’t know anything about this author but I definitely agree that Red Pill sites thrive because they are filling a need. And it’s not just bad men who want to hear bad things.

There are decent guys looking for answers and seeing that what they’re being told about gender dynamics don’t quite square with what they see or experience. Mainstream and/or feminist sentiment glosses over or ignores these discrepancies - not because of any malice, just because of different perspectives or because getting bogged down in nuance diminishes their effectiveness.

But that gap between lived experience and the mainstream narrative is ripe for exploitation.

My experience was trying to get advice on a mostly dead bedroom situation. None of the normal recommendations did a bit of good. I stumbled across a sort of “purple pill” guy named Athol Kay. His recommendations didn’t really help either but it was a fresh perspective. Along the way though, I saw some of the more toxic elements & bailed.

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Anonymous wrote:“Red pill” is a cluster of beliefs ... that women are ... fundamentally dishonest about their desires related to men and sex ... that chicks dig jerks ... when women are in their twenties, sexually adventurous, and hot. ... if you want women to take your resources & secretly despise you, listen to what they say. If you want to have sex with them, take the red pill and watch what they do.

Accurate summary. Physician Scott Alexander illustrated the appeal of this perspective:

‘Henry’ came to hospital after being picked up for police for beating up his fifth wife. ...

I’m constantly teased and mocked for being a virgin and a nerd whom no one could ever love – how is this fair?

In high school each extra IQ point above average increases chances of male virginity by about 3%. 35% of MIT grad students have never had sex, compared to only 20% of average nineteen year old men.

Hah. Yup. Men take a look at their lived experiences (like being a high-IQ virgin nerd), compare them to what they think they see about other men (Henry and his five wives, dumb jock a**holes who seem to get a bunch of girls). They also compare what they think they are told (women like smart, sensitive guys with a good sense of humor who treat them well) with what they think they see (again - jerks getting the girl; women even complain about how all the men they date are a-holes!) Enter someone who wants their money and to influence them by stoking their resentment over this dynamic, add a bunch of social media types telling the virgin nerds that they are privileged and bad and should just suck it up, and holy shit! We have a toxic brew.

Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of
Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.