“It’s hard to find masculine men who aren’t conservatives”

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:The internalized misogyny in desiring “masculine” men is depressing.


What is wanting a feminine woman?


You missed the scare quotes. There is also something wrong in wanting a "feminine" woman. "Masculine" men are overly concerned about dominating others, ridicule and suppress feelings other than anger, fear and hate gay people, think women should be subservient, and exhibit any number of other supposedly masculine traits that are, in fact, damaging to themselves and others. You can be masculine without buying into such things. Similarly, desiring a "feminine" woman would involve wanting a woman who hides her intelligence, who suppresses ambitions she may have other than raising children and supporting her husband, and suppresses her sexual desires (or feigns them) when they are inconsistent with what the men in her life thinks they should be.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The internalized misogyny in desiring “masculine” men is depressing.


What is wanting a feminine woman?


You missed the scare quotes. There is also something wrong in wanting a "feminine" woman. "Masculine" men are overly concerned about dominating others, ridicule and suppress feelings other than anger, fear and hate gay people, think women should be subservient, and exhibit any number of other supposedly masculine traits that are, in fact, damaging to themselves and others. You can be masculine without buying into such things. Similarly, desiring a "feminine" woman would involve wanting a woman who hides her intelligence, who suppresses ambitions she may have other than raising children and supporting her husband, and suppresses her sexual desires (or feigns them) when they are inconsistent with what the men in her life thinks they should be.



Bingo
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have had no such problem with latinos born outside of USA.


Gender roles in Latin America are much more traditional and well defined. We are almost to the point of there not being much difference between men and women in the US. You asked for it and you got it.



No, we most certainly are not! Although I think you are being sarcastic?


Well, women in the US definitely aren't very feminine. And men tend to be wimpy/pushovers. I didn't see it that way until I lived in South America. But yeah, it's like night and day.


The majority of the world outside the bubble that is the west (85-90% of the human population) has more traditional gender roles and social values in general. This is why American conservatives love dating foreign women.


Yes, because those women are attractive and normal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have had no such problem with latinos born outside of USA.


Gender roles in Latin America are much more traditional and well defined. We are almost to the point of there not being much difference between men and women in the US. You asked for it and you got it.



No, we most certainly are not! Although I think you are being sarcastic?


Well, women in the US definitely aren't very feminine. And men tend to be wimpy/pushovers. I didn't see it that way until I lived in South America. But yeah, it's like night and day.


The majority of the world outside the bubble that is the west (85-90% of the human population) has more traditional gender roles and social values in general. This is why American conservatives love dating foreign women.


Yes, because those women are attractive and normal.


Seconded. I've dated foreign women ever since I was a teenager (western europe, eastern europe, China) because they aren't fat. No further explanation or logic is needed.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Man I find this really weird. I thought she was going to talk about other qualities besides holding open the car door. It seems like she wants to be treated like a princess and yeah, what kind of man treats women like princesses? A man who thinks that women are property to be married off in order to form strategic political alliances. JK, a conservative man. This cannot be a shocker to her.

My husband is masculine in that he has a deep voice and a strong build and this really charismatic personality, and I'm a SAHM so yeah, he "cares for me and provides for me" (man that sounds gross). But he doesn't open my car door and he daydreams about the day I make it big and he quits his job.


So chivalry is dead. Your first paragraph actually echoes the OP article.


I'm not sure what you mean. What I find weird is woman who is complaining. When I read the headline, I assumed that her conundrum was sort of analogous to women who say "it's hard to find a guy who is hot and rich." Guys like that are rare but it's not a contradiction in terms. But based on the way she is defining masculine (which is different than the way I define it), what she wants is for all intents and purposes impossible to have. It's like dividing by zero.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Meh, my liberal husband is pretty f-ing masculine. Probably more so than most of the conservative guys I’ve seen lately. He used to be a republican but Trump was a bridge too far.


That’s not a liberal then. That’s just “not a Republican.”
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Those don't sound like the masculine traits I am looking for, so it's not applicable.


Yep, same here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have had no such problem with latinos born outside of USA.


Gender roles in Latin America are much more traditional and well defined. We are almost to the point of there not being much difference between men and women in the US. You asked for it and you got it.



No, we most certainly are not! Although I think you are being sarcastic?


Well, women in the US definitely aren't very feminine. And men tend to be wimpy/pushovers. I didn't see it that way until I lived in South America. But yeah, it's like night and day.


I do agree with women in the US not being as "traditionally feminine" as in Latin America or other regions but that's because so much more is expected of women in the US (self imposed expectations or not). I have a Latina mother. She has never left the house without full makeup, is always dressed up, and has been a SAHM for 50+ years. She did not go to college and was not expected to contribute financially to the household. She has approximately zero money of her own. She is a love but her skills and life are limited to what my father gives her. Many of my friends and family (females) continue to live very similar lifestyles even today. I, on the other hand, had significantly more access to education, athletic opportunities, career prospects, etc., like most US women, and am the primary breadwinner in my home. I do not have the time to spend on beauty and lifestyle that my mother did because - to be frank - I have more sh$t to do and greater responsibilities. All that said, I did marry a more conservative, immigrant DH. He's not liberal but has voted Dem because conservatives are too radical for him. We have "modern" traditional roles that account for HCOL and the fact that both parents must work. He doesn't care if I'm dressed up with tons of make up because, as he's said repeatedly, he'd much rather have the money that my business brings in. Less stress for him and better lifestyle. But we are both very family focused.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have had no such problem with latinos born outside of USA.


Gender roles in Latin America are much more traditional and well defined. We are almost to the point of there not being much difference between men and women in the US. You asked for it and you got it.



No, we most certainly are not! Although I think you are being sarcastic?


Well, women in the US definitely aren't very feminine. And men tend to be wimpy/pushovers. I didn't see it that way until I lived in South America. But yeah, it's like night and day.


I do agree with women in the US not being as "traditionally feminine" as in Latin America or other regions but that's because so much more is expected of women in the US (self imposed expectations or not). I have a Latina mother. She has never left the house without full makeup, is always dressed up, and has been a SAHM for 50+ years. She did not go to college and was not expected to contribute financially to the household. She has approximately zero money of her own. She is a love but her skills and life are limited to what my father gives her. Many of my friends and family (females) continue to live very similar lifestyles even today. I, on the other hand, had significantly more access to education, athletic opportunities, career prospects, etc., like most US women, and am the primary breadwinner in my home. I do not have the time to spend on beauty and lifestyle that my mother did because - to be frank - I have more sh$t to do and greater responsibilities. All that said, I did marry a more conservative, immigrant DH. He's not liberal but has voted Dem because conservatives are too radical for him. We have "modern" traditional roles that account for HCOL and the fact that both parents must work. He doesn't care if I'm dressed up with tons of make up because, as he's said repeatedly, he'd much rather have the money that my business brings in. Less stress for him and better lifestyle. But we are both very family focused.


well stated. I'd rather be "unfeminine" than be beholdened to a man for my financial independence.

-Asian American woman
Anonymous
Liberal men are gay. Surprise surprise.
Anonymous
In leveraging toxic masculinity as a political tool to subvert existing social hierarchies, intoxicating masculinity (what the author and 95% of women crave) was memed out of existence. Maybe worth it but you can't have one without the other. There are always knock-on effects
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Liberal men are gay. Surprise surprise.


And homophobic conservatives are closeted gays.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Liberal men are gay. Surprise surprise.


Tell us how you feel about Bud Light.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In leveraging toxic masculinity as a political tool to subvert existing social hierarchies, intoxicating masculinity (what the author and 95% of women crave) was memed out of existence. Maybe worth it but you can't have one without the other. There are always knock-on effects


"Intoxicating" masculinity? What women "crave?" Step away from the red pill sites. They're making you talk funny.
Anonymous
Is Kid Rock "masculine?"
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