Why did NVSL move relay carnival a week earlier and do we think this change is permanent?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Make-up time trial = after practice at our pool.

^ As it should be!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

You must have a really big team with a lot of good swimmers.

Our coach knows the kids well and knows who is fast. With that if a kid misses time trials or the fist B meet, thus doesn't have any current times, they will still be on the roster.

Last year some kids missed time trials and then the B meet a few nights later was cancelled halfway through due to thunder storms. So we had a lot of kids without times.

That's how it is with our team too. No one is left off the first A meet roster just because they missed time trials or the B-meet. Our coaches would use a time from last year or use their common sense. When this issue comes up, it typically is not a borderline situation -- the kid without a time being placed on the A meet roster is clearly one of the three fastest at the stroke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Make-up time trial = after practice at our pool.

How? who is the starter? Timers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

You must have a really big team with a lot of good swimmers.

Our coach knows the kids well and knows who is fast. With that if a kid misses time trials or the fist B meet, thus doesn't have any current times, they will still be on the roster.

Last year some kids missed time trials and then the B meet a few nights later was cancelled halfway through due to thunder storms. So we had a lot of kids without times.

That's how it is with our team too. No one is left off the first A meet roster just because they missed time trials or the B-meet. Our coaches would use a time from last year or use their common sense. When this issue comes up, it typically is not a borderline situation -- the kid without a time being placed on the A meet roster is clearly one of the three fastest at the stroke.

Now I will say that I am fine with this for the first meet or two, but after that kids need to show up to B meets to get times.

We had a swimmer last year who is a really good swimmer, fasted on the team. The coach always puts this swimmer in the same 2 strokes at A meets because he knows they will get point.

however, this swimmer wanted to swim the other 2 stokes at divisionals and while everyone knows this swimmer could bet them any day this swimmer did not have times for these strokes because they were too good to show up for B meets. Still annoys me that they got to swim these at divisionals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Make-up time trial = after practice at our pool.

How? who is the starter? Timers?

A coach says take your mark, then go. One or more coaches use stop watches to record times. It really isn't rocket science. Sometimes they use the same process or simply an in-practice swim off to figure out who goes where in the relays too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Make-up time trial = after practice at our pool.

How? who is the starter? Timers?

Lol, umm I’m guessing a coach and an assistant coach or 2 can handle this. It is rec swim, someone says take your mark and sounds a whistle or something, and another person runs a stopwatch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Make-up time trial = after practice at our pool.

How? who is the starter? Timers?

We pull out the starter and have a few parent volunteers. Not the full crew, but not just coaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Make-up time trial = after practice at our pool.

How? who is the starter? Timers?

This could provide consolation, or anger, but hand timing swim races is notoriously inaccurate. Times are almost always faster than the real times, and the clerk is constantly trying to reconcile times, place order etc. Even in usa swimming with touchpads, you would be surprised at how much hand waving there is when there is no pad time. It can mean the difference between making a cut or not, but the officials usually have only a few seconds to look at a time before going on to the next. In summer swim, kids are making A meets or All stars or whatever off janky times, which is fine because it's all just for fun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

You must have a really big team with a lot of good swimmers.

Our coach knows the kids well and knows who is fast. With that if a kid misses time trials or the fist B meet, thus doesn't have any current times, they will still be on the roster.

Last year some kids missed time trials and then the B meet a few nights later was cancelled halfway through due to thunder storms. So we had a lot of kids without times.

That's how it is with our team too. No one is left off the first A meet roster just because they missed time trials or the B-meet. Our coaches would use a time from last year or use their common sense. When this issue comes up, it typically is not a borderline situation -- the kid without a time being placed on the A meet roster is clearly one of the three fastest at the stroke.

Now I will say that I am fine with this for the first meet or two, but after that kids need to show up to B meets to get times.

We had a swimmer last year who is a really good swimmer, fasted on the team. The coach always puts this swimmer in the same 2 strokes at A meets because he knows they will get point.

however, this swimmer wanted to swim the other 2 stokes at divisionals and while everyone knows this swimmer could bet them any day this swimmer did not have times for these strokes because they were too good to show up for B meets. Still annoys me that they got to swim these at divisionals.

This is actually agains tNVSL rules

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Ours does not do this. We have plenty of kids who skip time trials, don’t do B meets and rarely practice with the team yet they’re front and center every Saturday morning. Last years times are definitely taken into account for seeding. I’m guessing this is coach-dependent.

We have a policy against this. You must have a current time to be seeded in an A meet. It is the only way to ensure it is fair. There is way to much movement (some kids get faster and some kids get slower) to use last years times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Make-up time trial = after practice at our pool.

How? who is the starter? Timers?

This could provide consolation, or anger, but hand timing swim races is notoriously inaccurate. Times are almost always faster than the real times, and the clerk is constantly trying to reconcile times, place order etc. Even in usa swimming with touchpads, you would be surprised at how much hand waving there is when there is no pad time. It can mean the difference between making a cut or not, but the officials usually have only a few seconds to look at a time before going on to the next. In summer swim, kids are making A meets or All stars or whatever off janky times, which is fine because it's all just for fun.

When I’ve been a backup timer at club meets with a touch pad, my times are nearly always within +/- 0.12 of what shows up on the big board. It’s rare that two swimmers from the same summer team are so closely matched that such a small error would make the difference between which one swims in the A meet and which doesn’t. Now on the margins of being an All Star or an alternate that’s a different story. Just swim faster so that’s not a factor. All Stars does use touch pads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

You must have a really big team with a lot of good swimmers.

Our coach knows the kids well and knows who is fast. With that if a kid misses time trials or the fist B meet, thus doesn't have any current times, they will still be on the roster.

Last year some kids missed time trials and then the B meet a few nights later was cancelled halfway through due to thunder storms. So we had a lot of kids without times.

That's how it is with our team too. No one is left off the first A meet roster just because they missed time trials or the B-meet. Our coaches would use a time from last year or use their common sense. When this issue comes up, it typically is not a borderline situation -- the kid without a time being placed on the A meet roster is clearly one of the three fastest at the stroke.

Now I will say that I am fine with this for the first meet or two, but after that kids need to show up to B meets to get times.

We had a swimmer last year who is a really good swimmer, fasted on the team. The coach always puts this swimmer in the same 2 strokes at A meets because he knows they will get point.

however, this swimmer wanted to swim the other 2 stokes at divisionals and while everyone knows this swimmer could bet them any day this swimmer did not have times for these strokes because they were too good to show up for B meets. Still annoys me that they got to swim these at divisionals.

This is actually agains tNVSL rules

Unfortunately it is not against the league rules. You can enter a NT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time Trials are basically an extra practice. They don't even hand out ribbons. It's not the end of the world if your kid or someone else's kid misses Time Trials. Coaches will get a time for them in practice or at the B meet. Life will go on.

A lot of teams don’t allow practice times to count for seeding. And still lots of conflicts for that first B meet.

AFAIK our first B meet is not until after the first A meet. That’s the way it always is for our team.

In the just fun version of NVSL I've experienced over the years everyone has a chance to register a time for consideration in the first A meet. Whether they show up for time trials or not. I highly doubt that teams -- in the ultra competitive version of NVSL I only read about on this board (hopefully somewhat in parody) -- are benching All Star swimmers for the first A meets simply because they didn't show up for time trials. And even if they did, there are still plenty of other chances to swim. We've had kids show up in week 2 or 3, after spring sports, and still be competitive in Divisionals. If your kids want to swim, let them swim when the opportunities arise. If they you want to be in the band, tell them to join the band. If they want to do everything, help them prioritize. Don't expect every league or activity to cater to your unique circumstances.

You're quoting me. Ours has been on a meteoric rise to D2 - and we always have time trials and a make up time trials - but no B meet before the first A meet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time Trials are basically an extra practice. They don't even hand out ribbons. It's not the end of the world if your kid or someone else's kid misses Time Trials. Coaches will get a time for them in practice or at the B meet. Life will go on.

A lot of teams don’t allow practice times to count for seeding. And still lots of conflicts for that first B meet.

AFAIK our first B meet is not until after the first A meet. That’s the way it always is for our team.

Really? Our first B meet is always right after Time Trials. It gives the coaches more times to seed with.

I honestly didn't realize other pools had a B meet before the first A meet!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our team won't let anyone swim
In an A meet without a time trial, makeup time trial or B meet time.

Make-up time trial = after practice at our pool.

How? who is the starter? Timers?

Lol, umm I’m guessing a coach and an assistant coach or 2 can handle this. It is rec swim, someone says take your mark and sounds a whistle or something, and another person runs a stopwatch.

Then why would we staff a full meet for time trials at all if this is the case?