Where do smart kids go now?
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Anonymous
If you look at specific programs at Duke, their T10 ranking is laughable. For example, they have so few graduate programs that their undergraduate majors really suffer from the lack of resources in these departments. Some people will emphasize the focus on undergraduate teaching, but you cannot be a top program without the resources from top faculty, graduate students, postdocs, etc. that exist in top departments. If you remove their medical and business schools, which do not offer undergraduate degrees, the situation looks much worse. When you look at the facts, it is clear that USNWR is boosting Duke without merit. |
Anonymous
I work in academics and have never met a single faculty who considers it T10 other than their medical school. |
Anonymous
You work in academics yet determine a fact by your limited personal experience and that's your source. You must went to an ivy. https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/wharton-students-think-six-figure-salaries-are-american-average |
Anonymous
My personal experience is quite extensive. I can also think for myself without relying on USNWR to do that for me. |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
What does this have to do with OP’s question? Or anything really? |
Anonymous
That is called 'Opinion' not a fact. You must went to an ivy. |
Anonymous
I would argue USNWR rankings are also opinion. Their methodologies and algorithms are decided by humans, individual criteria weights are tweaked to revise rankings, and the process is easily modified to boost some schools at the expense of others. It is the opinion of a magazine hidden under the guise of an objective assessment. It is, in fact, highly subjective. |
Anonymous
+1 And when you did into it, and see the choices real people make based on what actually matters to them, the list is useless. |
Anonymous
USNWR isn't really a magazine any more. I agree USNWR is a ranking based on factors that chosen and weighted by humans. If you have something like a 100 meter dash, you can objectively rate the sprinters based on their order of finish. Ranking undergraduate institutions is nothing like that. |
Anonymous
+10. This is interesting. My DD passed up a school that her peers told her was a “ party school” with a high admittance rate of 85%. Ut the individual liberal arts areas that my daughter wants are so highly ranked. Sadly, the peer pressure really affected my child’s choices and she chose a school that is higher ranked overall , but not as good in specific areas of interest. |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
For individual/specific programs, UVA and Northeastern are higher than an Ivy like Dartmouth for CS which is the hottest and the most important program these days. |
Anonymous
+1 I use it as a "guide" but do research on my own. The undergrad engineering rankings are almost completely "peer assessments". So of course MIT/CALtech/Berkely, CMU, etc will continue to rank high (and likely all deserve to be up there), but the smaller schools (RPI, WPI, Stevens, Clarkson, etc) that many have not heard of will continue to rank well below their actual level. But there is no real metric used beyond Peer assessments. You can easily imagine all the back door negotiations of "we are voting for you at x if you put us at x as well" And the smaller/lesser known gems will stay largely hidden at 50+. |
Anonymous
Well that is on you as a parent, that you haven't yet taught your DD not to be swayed by peer pressure. And to explain to your DD why the program at that school is much better. |