Parchment data is not reliable. The best indicator is your student. Be honest and ask your student if he/she is faced with Hopkins or an Ivy, which will they choose? That's your cross admit data.
Anonymous wrote:Is Hopkins safer than UVA or Idaho?
No one is safe until we have sensible gun control laws.
However, Charlottesville is much safer than the area a mere 2 blocks from the shops outside of JHU's campus.
I think it comes down to the Hopkins undergrad being not as desirable as some of the other top schools. Its grad programs are pretty strong all around, except its MBA is somewhat lacking compared to the strength of the overall school.
Anonymous wrote:Parchment data is not reliable. The best indicator is your student. Be honest and ask your student if he/she is faced with Hopkins or an Ivy, which will they choose? That's your cross admit data.
It seems plausible and I can see how they can see which schools the kid may be applying to based on transcript requests that they process. I'm not sure how they get which school was selected or whether the kid was admitted. It could be that they see final transcript requests to send to the school the kid will be attending, but not sure how they get the other pieces of information.
Anonymous wrote:DS was considering both JHU and Chicago for ED. Speaking with kids he knew at both schools, the experience at Chicago was so overwhelmingly negative that JHU was the logical choice.
That's surprising, U. Chicago used to have a reputation of being a studious kid's heaven. Perhaps the past 10 years of rankings obsession has led it to be a place full of top/middle-tier Ivy rejects.
Anonymous wrote:Its ranking leads to many students who would prefer not to attend to still apply.
It being in a major American city would generally be a plus point, but Baltimore is so crime-ridden and run down that it scares parents and students away.
It's known as a pre-med gindfest. Unlike rigorous Chicago, there's no aspect of "love of learning". It's all about getting into med school.
It's less of a university with a medical school attached and more of a medical school with a university attached. As a result, the undergraduate school isn't particularly accommodative or attentive to undergrads to the extent that similar schools are (Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, etc.)
Med school isn’t attached — it’s located in another part of town. And faculty (most of whom have zero connection to the med school) are attentive to (interested) undergrads.
Hopkins is one of those schools where people who know nothing about it feel very comfortable posting totally inaccurate opinions.
Hopkins has a really pretty undergrad campus with active Greek life and strong division 1 and 3 sports. Lots of student athletes.
Many of the undergraduate programs are highly ranked independent of their graduate schools, including international studies and writing seminars, many engineering majors and of course, the natural sciences.
International studies at JHU is high ranked due to its graduate school based in DC, not its undergraduate program. I wouldn't say engineering other than Biomedical is particularly highly ranked either given its ranked below many state flagships.
Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51
But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?
They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?
Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.
Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.
I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.
Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.
Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.
GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:
JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.
Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.
I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.
JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.
their actual undergraduate peers are chicago (nerd school), rice (nerd school), and wustl (nerd school).
Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51
But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?
They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?
Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.
Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.
I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.
Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.
Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.
GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:
JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.
Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.
I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.
JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.
This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.
Here's a real ranking:
Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown
For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.
Agree with this but just take out ND. Maybe bump WUSTL down to whatever "Tier 4" would be.
The PP who thinks "Yale, Duke, Penn and Columbia" constitute a tier is genuinely bonkers.
Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51
But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?
They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?
Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.
Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.
I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.
Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.
Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.
GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:
JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.
Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.
I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.
JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.
This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.
Here's a real ranking:
Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown
For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.
Agree with this but just take out ND. Maybe bump WUSTL down to whatever "Tier 4" would be.
The PP who thinks "Yale, Duke, Penn and Columbia" constitute a tier is genuinely bonkers.
Notre Dame is absolutely a peer of schools like Vanderbilt, Cornell, UVA.
Non serious students fear rigorous academic reputation of JHU. They feel its going to be easier at ivies. Maryland doesn't sound as sexy as Boston, LA, NY so that's another factor.
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