Fair enough, I take it back. |
Letting her give him BJs "to boost her sex drive". |
No. She is not. If fidelity is a "foundation of marriage" then sex it the equivalent reciprocal foundation. You cannot have the one without the other. Don't like this? Do not get married (or at least do not be sexless while demanding fidelity). |
You say this endlessly and it’s tedious. Go talk to a VA divorce attorney about whether a spouse is considered entitled to fidelity in marriage. Talk to the overwhelming majority of people who consider infidelity immoral. Talk to the spouses who are separated by work, deployment, family responsibilities about how not having sex justifies infidelity. No one is impressed by your endless whining. Do everyone a favor; go to the gym, take a shower, read a book, and try to be an interesting and attractive person who your wife wants to sleep with. |
You claim this endlessly and it's tedious. You are the only person who cares what VA divorce attorneys have to say about fidelity! Talk to the overwhelming majority of people who agree that you cannot be a sexless spouse AND simultaneously expect celibacy of your partner! Quit constructing strawman arguments (space mission to the moon, under anesthesia for cancer surgery) that are completely irrelevant to this sexless thread. OP is having sex 3 times per year and NOT because of "family responsibilities". Yes: her husband is 100% absolutely justified to continue meeting his normal sexual needs elsewhere. That is the one thing saving their marriage. If there is any "infidelity" here then OP is the one being untrue to their marriage. |
The OP is here asking for ways to improve her sex life. You’re here telling her that strengthening her marriage is useless because her husband is justified in betrayal. That is 100% a you problem and has nothing to do with OP. |
66% of Americans disagree with you. It’s been well studied. https://www.americansurveycenter.org/a-moral-double-standard-on-marital-infidelity/ |
Marriage is a legal contract, of course it matters what divorce attorneys think of it. You can go around spewing your own opinions as though they are fact but that doesn’t change what marriage actually is. And why, seriously, are you bringing this up in the context of somebody trying to want more sex? You would think that you and other men like you would applaud that and it’s highly suspicious that instead of doing so, you’re bringing up what her husband is entitled to. It’s almost like you really don’t care what women want sexually. |
Says the person who is not a doctor. |
lol are *you* a doctor? |
DNP: Variations in sex drive, from person to person and over time, is biologically normal, as is age-related decline, particularly after you are no longer physically able to procreate. It is also normal that most people need something to kick start the drive before they are interested (commonly known as wooing and foreplay; also true of most of the animal kingdom). The human body doesn't have a simple on off switch; it actually quite complex. Nonetheless, nobody emerges from puberty thinking it will happen to them. Seems impossible. Yes, we can artificially change this with medication for men and women if we are fine with the associated risks. Yes, there are other ways to try to increase hormone output that work for some but not all bodies, and it is certainly worth a try if you have two consenting parties. Yes, there are some bodies that do not experience this very normal change. In any scenario, marriage can be for a lifetime because you love the other person and build a life with them; eternal sex on demand was never a requirement or a guarantee. If it is an absolute requirement for you, make that clear before you propose that if your spouse becomes unable to have to intercourse for whatever reason - age, disease, injury, paralysis, mental health issue, you becoming intolerable - you will dump him or her for a better model sex toy. Also, in that case, do not put "for better or worse" in your marriage vows, because you don't actually mean it. |
I am also a DNP to this thread, and I think this is a great take. I will also tell you as someone who was actually in a sexless marriage for years, whatever people think you SHOULD do becomes irrelevant. The healthy human sex drive pushes people to have sex whether there is some arbitrary moral standard or not. Gay men in Saudi Arabia risk death. Politicians ruin their careers. Tale as old as time. So the fidelity at all costs v open marriage guy can go back and forth for pages on contract theories but the reality is that someone (man or woman) with a strong sex drive is going to find a way to have sex, usually with their partner but if their partner is unwilling it will eventually be with someone else. This is true regardless of societies moral judgment and especially regardless of what some anonymous poster on this site thinks. It's just hundreds of thousands of years of human nature |
Lol, that study doesn’t say what you claim, and check out the results- both women and men judge men who have affairs more harshly! The p pass strikes again! |
This survey has absolutely nothing to do with how Americans deal with a sexless marriage. Show me the survey of normal libido married partners in a sexless marriage views on extramarital sex. |
The "legal contract" aspects of marriage do not cover details about what happens (or not) in the marital bedroom. Even among a small population like divorce attorneys, very very few (in a very very few # of ass backward puritanical anachronistic states) care about your sex life. I do applaud OP's efforts to get back her sex drive and wish her success. Meanwhile, she should grant an official hall pass so they can both stop pretending. For the hundredth time: her husband is not eNtItLeD to sex with OP (.... just like she is not entitled to fidelity from him). Oh and I absolutely do care what women want sexually, even if women want celibacy that is totally fine with me ... just don't be in a marriage while demanding fidelity. |