What is the End Game in Ukraine?

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

Lol I guess Israel gets a pass with a slow crawl across the West Bank? At least Russia is handing out passports like candy in occupied Ukraine unlike Israel, who takes Palestinian land but not Palestinian people

Passports by which to forceably abduct Ukrainian nationals for resettlement and reindoctrination? Putin and his muppets have made no secret of the desire to wipe Ukraine from the face of the earth if they could.

You're talking with voices in your head.

If you HAVE to be occupied, it is surely better to be an equal citizen in the new land rather than a stateless second-class entity.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

Lol I guess Israel gets a pass with a slow crawl across the West Bank? At least Russia is handing out passports like candy in occupied Ukraine unlike Israel, who takes Palestinian land but not Palestinian people

Passports by which to forceably abduct Ukrainian nationals for resettlement and reindoctrination? Putin and his muppets have made no secret of the desire to wipe Ukraine from the face of the earth if they could.

You're talking with voices in your head.

If you HAVE to be occupied, it is surely better to be an equal citizen in the new land rather than a stateless second-class entity.

Sure, Putin gives them Russian passports solely because he cares about them and their feelings.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

And that would have prevented Russia from invading? Twice! Lol

Gosh, I hope the 25,000 Russian troops about to be stranded across the Dniper are ok. Lucky for them Ukrainians aren't as into mutilation, murder and gang rape as the Russians.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

Lol I guess Israel gets a pass with a slow crawl across the West Bank? At least Russia is handing out passports like candy in occupied Ukraine unlike Israel, who takes Palestinian land but not Palestinian people

Passports by which to forceably abduct Ukrainian nationals for resettlement and reindoctrination? Putin and his muppets have made no secret of the desire to wipe Ukraine from the face of the earth if they could.

You're talking with voices in your head.

If you HAVE to be occupied, it is surely better to be an equal citizen in the new land rather than a stateless second-class entity.

Russians greeted as conquering heroes, right? Comedy gold. But the equal citizen thingy needs more workshopping. The victims of a campaign of rape, mutulation, torture, gassing and indiscriminate murder can be a little PC at times.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

Why do you make feel bad so I have to hit you?

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

And that would have prevented Russia from invading? Twice! Lol

Gosh, I hope the 25,000 Russian troops about to be stranded across the Dniper are ok. Lucky for them Ukrainians aren't as into mutilation, murder and gang rape as the Russians.

If the Ukrainian offensive is successful it will put the Russians in a tough situation. They will not be able to hold anything they have taken.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

And that would have prevented Russia from invading? Twice! Lol

Gosh, I hope the 25,000 Russian troops about to be stranded across the Dniper are ok. Lucky for them Ukrainians aren't as into mutilation, murder and gang rape as the Russians.

LOL you poor innocent sweet child. Maybe you should talk to the descendants of Ukraine's Jews, or the victims of Ukraine's national hero Stepan Bandera, or the family members of those burned alive in Odesa during anti-Maidan protests, the tragedy the government refused to investigate or prosecute.

There are no cultural differences between Ukrainians and Russians, none. Both are prone to violence, corruption and oppression.

"In 1919, nearly one hundred thousand Jews were murdered in Ukraine and Poland in pogroms. "
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-1919-pogroms-ukraine-and-poland-one-hundred-years-later

Stepan Bandera, Ukraine's hero, Nazi collaborator, shielded by the US but not for long:
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/05/20/312719066/hero-or-villain-historical-ukrainian-figure-symbolizes-todays-feud

So Bandera's group did pledge allegiance to Hitler's Nazi Germany. Bandera said he wanted ideological and ethnic purity for Ukraine. The Germans ultimately turned against Bandera and arrested him.

Bandera's Order of Ukrainian Nationalists also did some violent things in pursuit of sovereignty. Jews and Polish people were massacred.

"The fight was violent. It was killing, gruesome killings, against all the perceived enemies," says political scientist Gulnaz Sharafutdinova of King's College London. "There were strong powers around that little part of Ukraine, western Ukraine, so it was a really hard fight."

Many of these details have only come out recently, since the KGB, the CIA and others have declassified records. The question is whether a person who's involved in the death of tens of thousands of people can also be a political hero.

"Heroes are written in the aftermath and retrospectively, and a lot of the inconvenient facts are usually written off," says Sharafutdinova. "History is written by the winners, right?"

In 2010, Ukraine's government officially recognized Bandera as a national hero, a move that was condemned by the European Parliament among others. The next year, a new government annulled that award after a domestic and international outcry.

48 burned alive in Odesa: Seven years have passed since the clashes in Odesa on 2 May 2014 — one of a number of mass assemblies marked with violence in 2014 — which claimed 48 lives (40 men, seven women and a boy). Ah no need to investigate, they were not the lives that count anyway
https://ukraine.un.org/en/126054-7-years-no-answers-what-lacking-investigations-events-odesa-2-may-2014

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

Why do you make feel bad so I have to hit you?

It would have been an easy thing not to close Russian-language schools or Russian-language TV channels or force Ukrainian upon those who never used it, don't you think?

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

Why do you make feel bad so I have to hit you?

It would have been an easy thing not to close Russian-language schools or Russian-language TV channels or force Ukrainian upon those who never used it, don't you think?

Sound like the Russian are anti woke

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

And that would have prevented Russia from invading? Twice! Lol

Gosh, I hope the 25,000 Russian troops about to be stranded across the Dniper are ok. Lucky for them Ukrainians aren't as into mutilation, murder and gang rape as the Russians.

LOL you poor innocent sweet child. Maybe you should talk to the descendants of Ukraine's Jews, or the victims of Ukraine's national hero Stepan Bandera, or the family members of those burned alive in Odesa during anti-Maidan protests, the tragedy the government refused to investigate or prosecute.

There are no cultural differences between Ukrainians and Russians, none. Both are prone to violence, corruption and oppression.

"In 1919, nearly one hundred thousand Jews were murdered in Ukraine and Poland in pogroms. "
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-1919-pogroms-ukraine-and-poland-one-hundred-years-later

Stepan Bandera, Ukraine's hero, Nazi collaborator, shielded by the US but not for long:
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/05/20/312719066/hero-or-villain-historical-ukrainian-figure-symbolizes-todays-feud

So Bandera's group did pledge allegiance to Hitler's Nazi Germany. Bandera said he wanted ideological and ethnic purity for Ukraine. The Germans ultimately turned against Bandera and arrested him.

Bandera's Order of Ukrainian Nationalists also did some violent things in pursuit of sovereignty. Jews and Polish people were massacred.

"The fight was violent. It was killing, gruesome killings, against all the perceived enemies," says political scientist Gulnaz Sharafutdinova of King's College London. "There were strong powers around that little part of Ukraine, western Ukraine, so it was a really hard fight."

Many of these details have only come out recently, since the KGB, the CIA and others have declassified records. The question is whether a person who's involved in the death of tens of thousands of people can also be a political hero.

"Heroes are written in the aftermath and retrospectively, and a lot of the inconvenient facts are usually written off," says Sharafutdinova. "History is written by the winners, right?"

In 2010, Ukraine's government officially recognized Bandera as a national hero, a move that was condemned by the European Parliament among others. The next year, a new government annulled that award after a domestic and international outcry.

48 burned alive in Odesa: Seven years have passed since the clashes in Odesa on 2 May 2014 — one of a number of mass assemblies marked with violence in 2014 — which claimed 48 lives (40 men, seven women and a boy). Ah no need to investigate, they were not the lives that count anyway
https://ukraine.un.org/en/126054-7-years-no-answers-what-lacking-investigations-events-odesa-2-may-2014

Hahaha, still trying to push the nazi thing. You're hilarious. Three words: Pale of Settlement

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

And that would have prevented Russia from invading? Twice! Lol

Gosh, I hope the 25,000 Russian troops about to be stranded across the Dniper are ok. Lucky for them Ukrainians aren't as into mutilation, murder and gang rape as the Russians.

LOL you poor innocent sweet child. Maybe you should talk to the descendants of Ukraine's Jews, or the victims of Ukraine's national hero Stepan Bandera, or the family members of those burned alive in Odesa during anti-Maidan protests, the tragedy the government refused to investigate or prosecute.

There are no cultural differences between Ukrainians and Russians, none. Both are prone to violence, corruption and oppression.

"In 1919, nearly one hundred thousand Jews were murdered in Ukraine and Poland in pogroms. "
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-1919-pogroms-ukraine-and-poland-one-hundred-years-later

Stepan Bandera, Ukraine's hero, Nazi collaborator, shielded by the US but not for long:
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/05/20/312719066/hero-or-villain-historical-ukrainian-figure-symbolizes-todays-feud

So Bandera's group did pledge allegiance to Hitler's Nazi Germany. Bandera said he wanted ideological and ethnic purity for Ukraine. The Germans ultimately turned against Bandera and arrested him.

Bandera's Order of Ukrainian Nationalists also did some violent things in pursuit of sovereignty. Jews and Polish people were massacred.

"The fight was violent. It was killing, gruesome killings, against all the perceived enemies," says political scientist Gulnaz Sharafutdinova of King's College London. "There were strong powers around that little part of Ukraine, western Ukraine, so it was a really hard fight."

Many of these details have only come out recently, since the KGB, the CIA and others have declassified records. The question is whether a person who's involved in the death of tens of thousands of people can also be a political hero.

"Heroes are written in the aftermath and retrospectively, and a lot of the inconvenient facts are usually written off," says Sharafutdinova. "History is written by the winners, right?"

In 2010, Ukraine's government officially recognized Bandera as a national hero, a move that was condemned by the European Parliament among others. The next year, a new government annulled that award after a domestic and international outcry.

48 burned alive in Odesa: Seven years have passed since the clashes in Odesa on 2 May 2014 — one of a number of mass assemblies marked with violence in 2014 — which claimed 48 lives (40 men, seven women and a boy). Ah no need to investigate, they were not the lives that count anyway
https://ukraine.un.org/en/126054-7-years-no-answers-what-lacking-investigations-events-odesa-2-may-2014

Hahaha, still trying to push the nazi thing. You're hilarious. Three words: Pale of Settlement

Oh yes of course. The deaths by the hands of the people we now like simply don't count. They may as well be brown!

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

And that would have prevented Russia from invading? Twice! Lol

Gosh, I hope the 25,000 Russian troops about to be stranded across the Dniper are ok. Lucky for them Ukrainians aren't as into mutilation, murder and gang rape as the Russians.

LOL you poor innocent sweet child. Maybe you should talk to the descendants of Ukraine's Jews, or the victims of Ukraine's national hero Stepan Bandera, or the family members of those burned alive in Odesa during anti-Maidan protests, the tragedy the government refused to investigate or prosecute.

There are no cultural differences between Ukrainians and Russians, none. Both are prone to violence, corruption and oppression.

"In 1919, nearly one hundred thousand Jews were murdered in Ukraine and Poland in pogroms. "
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-1919-pogroms-ukraine-and-poland-one-hundred-years-later

Stepan Bandera, Ukraine's hero, Nazi collaborator, shielded by the US but not for long:
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/05/20/312719066/hero-or-villain-historical-ukrainian-figure-symbolizes-todays-feud

So Bandera's group did pledge allegiance to Hitler's Nazi Germany. Bandera said he wanted ideological and ethnic purity for Ukraine. The Germans ultimately turned against Bandera and arrested him.

Bandera's Order of Ukrainian Nationalists also did some violent things in pursuit of sovereignty. Jews and Polish people were massacred.

"The fight was violent. It was killing, gruesome killings, against all the perceived enemies," says political scientist Gulnaz Sharafutdinova of King's College London. "There were strong powers around that little part of Ukraine, western Ukraine, so it was a really hard fight."

Many of these details have only come out recently, since the KGB, the CIA and others have declassified records. The question is whether a person who's involved in the death of tens of thousands of people can also be a political hero.

"Heroes are written in the aftermath and retrospectively, and a lot of the inconvenient facts are usually written off," says Sharafutdinova. "History is written by the winners, right?"

In 2010, Ukraine's government officially recognized Bandera as a national hero, a move that was condemned by the European Parliament among others. The next year, a new government annulled that award after a domestic and international outcry.

48 burned alive in Odesa: Seven years have passed since the clashes in Odesa on 2 May 2014 — one of a number of mass assemblies marked with violence in 2014 — which claimed 48 lives (40 men, seven women and a boy). Ah no need to investigate, they were not the lives that count anyway
https://ukraine.un.org/en/126054-7-years-no-answers-what-lacking-investigations-events-odesa-2-may-2014

Hahaha, still trying to push the nazi thing. You're hilarious. Three words: Pale of Settlement

Oh yes of course. The deaths by the hands of the people we now like simply don't count. They may as well be brown!

Pale of Settlement

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Anonymous wrote:I want to see Russian bled dry and right now, our policy and treasure is doing that. I think we're committed at this point and pulling back would only emboldened Putin. How much have we spent? $10+ billion? It's a small price to pay to see one of our biggest adversaries reduced to a third-rate power.

I mean… they’ve always been third rate. But it’s delightful to have it displayed for all the world to see.

A third rate army is sitting on 20% of Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what a second rate army would have been able to do, or, god forbid, a first-rate one!

Well I guess we’ll never know, since Russia really sucks at this.

And that is Ukraine's good luck. Actually, it's Ukraine's super good luck that it was Russia that attacked it. If it was attacked by, say, some obscure Eastern European state like Moldova or Montenegro, all it would get would be some phd types on PBS digging up twelfth century battles and historical details of things no one cares about. Also, this program would have the viewership of maybe twelve people, including family members of these phd types. And if it was, like Niger attacking Chad, well not a single white person would care. But since it is Russia, the country the West decided it will hate because it simply refuses to be led, Ukraine is getting pummeled, yes, but it's also getting tons of sympathy points, and once the war is over, it will get tons of aid. So, there is the silver lining. Just like it was Palestinians' good luck to be oppressed by Israel, and not, say, Yemen. Because Arabs oppressed by other Arabs get bubkes by way of Western attention or sympathy.

WTH. People hate Russia because they've got nukes and they threaten to use them.
And they bomb the daylight out of other countries (Syria, anyone?) Nice white washing.

If you're American, you have no grounds to blame other countries for bombing the daylight out of anything, since America does this with abandon.

Russia still beats us at that by a mile. One doesn't have to think of the US as without fault to realize that Russia is top of the class in that regard.

LOL no it doesn't.

Count American and American-led military invasions in the last 20 years. Now count Russia-led ones. Compare two numbers.

Count the casualties in #1. Now count the casualties in #2. Compare two numbers.

Now, count the number of American military bases around the world. Now, count the Russian ones. Compare two numbers.

Why don’t you provide the data? Can’t do math?

Crimea, Donbass, Transnistria, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Nagorno Karabash, Chad, Mali, Central African Republic, Syria.

This year alone theyve threatened to invade the UK, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria as well.

But why limit it to 20 years. How many years out of the past 200 has Moscovy been peaceful towards their neighbors?

If we’re going back years then England takes the cake.

Colonizer devils that terrorized worldwide.

Maybe but they've at least learned from their past and reformed. Muscovy and its successor states, the USSR and Russia, just double down on the oppression and aggression each time they change.

The list of countries that have started a war of territorial expansion since WW2 is very small. China with Tibet, Iraq with Kuwait, Indonesia with East Timor, and Russia with Ukraine on multiple occassions as well as Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan.

Why are some countries allowed to split into multiple parts and some aren't?

It's up to them, not a third party that wants it for themselves. Russia trying to take over Ukraine and make it Russia is not the same as Ethiopia and Eritrea deciding to go their separate ways.

The only country in the entire world that has engaged in a war of territorial conquest this century is Russia. And they've done it three times.

When Ukraine lashed out at Yanukovich for betraying them regarding joining the EU, they threw him out of office. Yanukovich was of course Putin's guy and that meant Putin was losing his grip on Ukraine. In retaliation, Putin sent thousands of mercenaries and provocateurs into Donbas to stage their fake rebellion and independence referendum.

Well they didn't just throw him out, did they. They had quite a bit of help on that. It was also quite violent, and not at all universally embraced. Specifically, eastern Ukraine hated the idea and didn't want to go along with the changes. They felt the coup was forced down their throat. You're lying if you say this resistance was fake. Eastern Ukraine never had much in common with the Polish-oriented Ukraine.

The new Ukraine could have courted their eastern citizens a bit more instead of taking them for granted.

And that would have prevented Russia from invading? Twice! Lol

Gosh, I hope the 25,000 Russian troops about to be stranded across the Dniper are ok. Lucky for them Ukrainians aren't as into mutilation, murder and gang rape as the Russians.

LOL you poor innocent sweet child. Maybe you should talk to the descendants of Ukraine's Jews, or the victims of Ukraine's national hero Stepan Bandera, or the family members of those burned alive in Odesa during anti-Maidan protests, the tragedy the government refused to investigate or prosecute.

There are no cultural differences between Ukrainians and Russians, none. Both are prone to violence, corruption and oppression.

"In 1919, nearly one hundred thousand Jews were murdered in Ukraine and Poland in pogroms. "
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-1919-pogroms-ukraine-and-poland-one-hundred-years-later

Stepan Bandera, Ukraine's hero, Nazi collaborator, shielded by the US but not for long:
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/05/20/312719066/hero-or-villain-historical-ukrainian-figure-symbolizes-todays-feud

So Bandera's group did pledge allegiance to Hitler's Nazi Germany. Bandera said he wanted ideological and ethnic purity for Ukraine. The Germans ultimately turned against Bandera and arrested him.

Bandera's Order of Ukrainian Nationalists also did some violent things in pursuit of sovereignty. Jews and Polish people were massacred.

"The fight was violent. It was killing, gruesome killings, against all the perceived enemies," says political scientist Gulnaz Sharafutdinova of King's College London. "There were strong powers around that little part of Ukraine, western Ukraine, so it was a really hard fight."

Many of these details have only come out recently, since the KGB, the CIA and others have declassified records. The question is whether a person who's involved in the death of tens of thousands of people can also be a political hero.

"Heroes are written in the aftermath and retrospectively, and a lot of the inconvenient facts are usually written off," says Sharafutdinova. "History is written by the winners, right?"

In 2010, Ukraine's government officially recognized Bandera as a national hero, a move that was condemned by the European Parliament among others. The next year, a new government annulled that award after a domestic and international outcry.

48 burned alive in Odesa: Seven years have passed since the clashes in Odesa on 2 May 2014 — one of a number of mass assemblies marked with violence in 2014 — which claimed 48 lives (40 men, seven women and a boy). Ah no need to investigate, they were not the lives that count anyway
https://ukraine.un.org/en/126054-7-years-no-answers-what-lacking-investigations-events-odesa-2-may-2014

Hahaha, still trying to push the nazi thing. You're hilarious. Three words: Pale of Settlement

Oh yes of course. The deaths by the hands of the people we now like simply don't count. They may as well be brown!

Pale of Settlement

The Pale of Settlement came and murdered the Jews with its little Pale hands? Or were the locals involved somehow?