BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country

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Anonymous wrote:The problem to me, is that folks seem to be getting covid more often than a typical cold. How is this not disruptive? I am not worried about the symptoms. It is the repeated life disruptions that come with reinfections.

Not our experience. In our household since December, we’ve had one case of covid and like six colds (confirmed by multiple tests).

Same here. Multiple colds, like usual, while one house member infected zero of the three other adult family members living here--and there was no active avoidance of getting infected either. It doesn't seem like people are getting Covid anymore than they are getting colds, strep, etc. but we're not freaking out about those.

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Sure it is. I receive chemo weekly. I am immunocompromised. I will wear my N95 when necessary, and I fully expect non immunocompromised to go about their daily lives. We are waaay past 2020 people.

I don’t believe you. If you were really on chemo, you’d know that your N95 is nowhere near full protection for the newest strains of Omicron. Not even close.

I don’t care if you believe me. Just today, my oncologist said “go out. Do things. You don’t need to live in a bubble. Go to a restaurant. Only mask in crowded indoor spaces.”
I am 100% fine with my N95. Doesn’t change things because you don’t believe me.
Please, people, live you’re lives! Don’t let PP hold you back.

Two possibilities: Either you live in a state like Florida, or you have a stage 4 cancer, and your oncologist thinks you should go to restaurants now rather than wait out chemo (even if you don't get seriously sick from covid, why would you want to have to postpone a covid cycle due to getting covid?) - because you might be dead in 6 months. I hope it's the former. The reality is that crowded indoor spaces would be much safer for everyone if those sick with covid actually wore masks...and any serious oncologist knows this.

It’s just killing you that my oncologist right here with Maryland Oncology and Hematology disagrees with you, doesn’t it? And no, I am not stage 4. My prognosis is excellent. Would you like to keep assuming some more sh!t that just isn’t true?

I agree with this. I am immunocompromised. I wore an N95 constantly during my trip (indoors and in crowds outdoors) and exclusively ate outside in restaurants. I wore an N95 for the entire flight, didn’t eat, and drank water through a straw under my mask. All that and I got Covid! It’s been very rough.

I have college aged kids. We always mask indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. Everyone has traveled and socialized while wearing masks. Kids eat at restaurants with friends and stay masked but drop it to eat. None of us have had covid. Masks are effective and so simple. It is ridiculous that we are still arguing about this. We've lost several friends to covid.

We don't do any of that (that sound ridiculous--why are friends spending any time with your kids like that?) and none of us had Covid, ever, either.

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.

Always has been. Duh. Messaging should’ve been better from the start, even if the primary message was “we just don’t know and we’re doing what we think is best based on the info we have right now.” This administration especially has lost all credibility - just look at the number of people willing to vaccinate their under 5’s after all that ridiculous back and forth - it’s minuscule.

Bottom line - it’s an airborne pathogen with the ability to mutate continuously. The outcome is kinda obvious.

Yeah, the early comments about herd immunity and vaccination were ridiculous. It’s always been clear that Covid would be with us forever. But they wanted to encourage vaccination, so they suggested that Covid would go away if people got vaccinated. All that did was set unrealistic expectations.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree - this latest version is ROUGH. Only magical thinking supported idea this would just go away because "after two years we are done with it". The minimizers are morons - Covid is the #1 test of our times and we are flunking .

Flight chaos. Doctors and nurses quitting en masse. Politicians and media pandering to our worse instincts.
The worst part is the real consequences are going to be health and economic impact in decades to come from not controlling this - that is our real hidden but ballooning deficit.

And what do you propose we do? Lock people in their houses like China? No thanks

How about basic precautions such as distancing and masking indoors! That would be a better approach to the do nothing and ignore we have now.

Indoor masking for everyone, with high quality masks, would help around the edges with the number of infections. It wouldn’t bring them down to zero or anything though.

Please define what you mean by “distancing” because to me that either sounds like closures or restrictions of indoor public spaces, or stay at home orders. Both of which are a non-starter anywhere in the world right now except for China.

No it doesn't. Just look at what happened to Germany last winter.

It’s a small help on a population level, probably not really “worth it” in the grand scheme of things though.

Still waiting to hear what PP means by “distancing” though. They never come back and elaborate, just come in like a seagull, s*** all over the thread and leave.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

This is all really easy to say when you’ve never dealt with chronic illness or long term disability. Would be interesting to see what you would say if your good health (or your children’s God forbid) was messed up for life. As another poster says this is just dripping with arrogance, privilege and lack of humility.

Please. Immunocompromised persons can wear N95 masks and social distance. It’s not like they didn’t have to do this during flu season every year before covid. Frankly, your post drips of wishing ill health on the PP.

It’s not that simple.

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Sure it is. I receive chemo weekly. I am immunocompromised. I will wear my N95 when necessary, and I fully expect non immunocompromised to go about their daily lives. We are waaay past 2020 people.

I don’t believe you. If you were really on chemo, you’d know that your N95 is nowhere near full protection for the newest strains of Omicron. Not even close.

I don’t care if you believe me. Just today, my oncologist said “go out. Do things. You don’t need to live in a bubble. Go to a restaurant. Only mask in crowded indoor spaces.”
I am 100% fine with my N95. Doesn’t change things because you don’t believe me.
Please, people, live you’re lives! Don’t let PP hold you back.

As a fellow immunocompromised person, I also didn't believe your first post. Now this your second post? Not a chance a dr told you to eat inside restaurant and "only to mask in crowded indoor spaces" nope! Didn't happen.

Or if it did I’d be looking for a new oncologist

[Anonymous]

Wow, someone reported the posts about the interview with Paul Offit, and they deleted them! Good bye, open scientific discourse.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, someone reported the posts about the interview with Paul Offit, and they deleted them! Good bye, open scientific discourse.

Can you summarize?

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.

Always has been. Duh. Messaging should’ve been better from the start, even if the primary message was “we just don’t know and we’re doing what we think is best based on the info we have right now.” This administration especially has lost all credibility - just look at the number of people willing to vaccinate their under 5’s after all that ridiculous back and forth - it’s minuscule.

Bottom line - it’s an airborne pathogen with the ability to mutate continuously. The outcome is kinda obvious.

Yeah, the early comments about herd immunity and vaccination were ridiculous. It’s always been clear that Covid would be with us forever. But they wanted to encourage vaccination, so they suggested that Covid would go away if people got vaccinated. All that did was set unrealistic expectations.

Pp from above and agree. Also, meant to add that people should be living their lives. Ideally everyone would aim to do so with kindness and sensibility. But I’m not locking my kids inside again nor am I missing out on anymore life experiences in the name of “ending Covid.” The only thing that will end Covid is…Covid. So we’re gonna live as well and as fully as we can. (And no, I’m not suggesting the world is ending tomorrow. Im just being rational based on what’s actually transpired since Covid emerged in 2019.)

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, someone reported the posts about the interview with Paul Offit, and they deleted them! Good bye, open scientific discourse.

Can you summarize?

You can watch it here and judge for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLo2Wwa3NNA

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, someone reported the posts about the interview with Paul Offit, and they deleted them! Good bye, open scientific discourse.

Can you summarize?

Absurd. For starters, he’s about as “expert” as anybody can get.

https://www.chop.edu/doctors/offit-paul-a

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, someone reported the posts about the interview with Paul Offit, and they deleted them! Good bye, open scientific discourse.

Can you summarize?

You can watch it here and judge for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLo2Wwa3NNA

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, someone reported the posts about the interview with Paul Offit, and they deleted them! Good bye, open scientific discourse.

Can you summarize?

You can watch it here and judge for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLo2Wwa3NNA

And to add, I honestly don't understand how anyone can delete this, probably under the guise of it being anti-vax. Offit is as pro-vax as they come, but he hasn't turned off his brain. He is the rare person who has the ability to inspire trust in vaccines even in skeptics. Deleting it doesn't help the cause of anyone who wants to keep vaccine-preventable diseases at bay, although it might help Pfizer in selling its Omicron-specific booster.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

This is all really easy to say when you’ve never dealt with chronic illness or long term disability. Would be interesting to see what you would say if your good health (or your children’s God forbid) was messed up for life. As another poster says this is just dripping with arrogance, privilege and lack of humility.

Please. Immunocompromised persons can wear N95 masks and social distance. It’s not like they didn’t have to do this during flu season every year before covid. Frankly, your post drips of wishing ill health on the PP.

It’s not that simple.

NP
Sure it is. I receive chemo weekly. I am immunocompromised. I will wear my N95 when necessary, and I fully expect non immunocompromised to go about their daily lives. We are waaay past 2020 people.

I don’t believe you. If you were really on chemo, you’d know that your N95 is nowhere near full protection for the newest strains of Omicron. Not even close.

I don’t care if you believe me. Just today, my oncologist said “go out. Do things. You don’t need to live in a bubble. Go to a restaurant. Only mask in crowded indoor spaces.”
I am 100% fine with my N95. Doesn’t change things because you don’t believe me.
Please, people, live you’re lives! Don’t let PP hold you back.

As a fellow immunocompromised person, I also didn't believe your first post. Now this your second post? Not a chance a dr told you to eat inside restaurant and "only to mask in crowded indoor spaces" nope! Didn't happen.

Why is it so hard for you people to believe that my oncologist disagrees with your oncologist? Why? This is 100% what she said, word for word.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.

Finally someone with a brain here.

Yeah, a neurotic brain.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, someone reported the posts about the interview with Paul Offit, and they deleted them! Good bye, open scientific discourse.

Why would they be deleted? The only "controversial" thing he said was that the modified booster has shown little improvement from a regular booster. I was contemplating whether to wait for a new booster in the fall or get the current available one. Now I think we'll get the current one. What else did I miss? (Honest question.)