Ukraine war - which side is winning?

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it looks like, and the conventional wisdom seems to be, Russia will get the eastern regions and some decent productive assets, and Ukraine will remain as a poor rump state, but still somewhat of a buffer.

I don't think any of the western leaders at this point are operating under a private belief that we're going to continue to provide the massive materiel and financial subsidies needed to continue this war indefinitely.

This was exactly the talk in Istanbul except the border of the "eastern regions" has moved since.

[Anonymous]

It wouldn’t cost much for us to seed Bosnia to needle serbia either.

It’s a tinderbox right now ready to blow

Get the balkans into a nice simmer and now Russians have to deal with Ukraine and the balkans cooking on their doorstep

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it looks like, and the conventional wisdom seems to be, Russia will get the eastern regions and some decent productive assets, and Ukraine will remain as a poor rump state, but still somewhat of a buffer.

I don't think any of the western leaders at this point are operating under a private belief that we're going to continue to provide the massive materiel and financial subsidies needed to continue this war indefinitely.

This was exactly the talk in Istanbul except the border of the "eastern regions" has moved since.

Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It wouldn’t cost much for us to seed Bosnia to needle serbia either.

It’s a tinderbox right now ready to blow

Get the balkans into a nice simmer and now Russians have to deal with Ukraine and the balkans cooking on their doorstep

Keep them busy and out of our business.
Sounds good to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It wouldn’t cost much for us to seed Bosnia to needle serbia either.

It’s a tinderbox right now ready to blow

Get the balkans into a nice simmer and now Russians have to deal with Ukraine and the balkans cooking on their doorstep

You make zero sense. Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania, North Macedonia, Greece, Bulgaria, Turkey, Romania, and Italy are all NATO countries existing all or in part on the Balkan Peninsula. You “seed Bosnia to needle Serbia” (whatever that means), you risk destabilizing NATO allies. You’re a hoot!
Lemme guess you work at Foggy Bottom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a stunning loss for Russia. I do not think that Ukraine will concede any territory. Not when they still have willing fighters and the world willing to arm them. And I think that this war has decimated the Russian war machine and also destroyed its economy for the long term. The only countries who will be trading with Russia in a few years will be other countries like China that should be next on our list to cut off from world trade anyway.

This invasion was a very bad mistake from Russia. Hopefully China is watching closely.

China and India are getting all time cheap gas, oil, crops, food from a Russia. Check it out.

Ukraine cities have been destroyed and won’t be built back until there is a treaty resolution. There will be no Russia pullout- why would there be? Sanctions are a joke, and punish US and EU multinationals fire saling their Russian assets, talent and shops. Jokes on Biden and his Cold War sanction garbage. So nice he left a carve out for no fighter jets and no PUtin mistresses’ sanctions.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

Ukraine has exposed Russia for the poor quality thugs they are....good to know.

If that was true, no billion-dollar aid packages would have been needed to fight with them. It's quite ironic to see the media simultaneously claim that a) the Russian army is low quality, under-equipped, under-resources, dumb and poor, paper tiger, and b) Ukraine urgently needs many billion dollars worth of weapons to fight them.

Most Americans are dumb and believe tons of nonsense mass media spews out.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

What was Putin actually willing to agree to? Be honest.
Nothing. He was happy to talk while his troops repositioned. There was no actual deal on the table.

No one in the general public really knows what was on the table and who walked away from it. The fog of war is thick with lies on both sides. I'm going off what was published for all and sundry.

Wait for the settlement and see how much it deviates from Istanbul. My guess would be not very much. No matter how much you dislike it, if the two are close, that means all the death and destruction that happened since Istanbul could have been prevented.

I suppose the death and destruction could have been totally avoided if Ukraine has just submitted.

Amazing how no one here has taken a military history class or has any understanding of how land invasions, land treaties, surrendering, and signing of border docs works anymore. Such kumbaya softies around here. But don’t worry: Russia and China remember how it works.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it looks like, and the conventional wisdom seems to be, Russia will get the eastern regions and some decent productive assets, and Ukraine will remain as a poor rump state, but still somewhat of a buffer.

I don't think any of the western leaders at this point are operating under a private belief that we're going to continue to provide the massive materiel and financial subsidies needed to continue this war indefinitely.

It doesn’t cost much to give just enough to Ukraine to turn it into Afghanistan on Russia’s doorstep.

That’s the goal.

Western foreign affairs planners are drooling at this possibility.

Id gladly give Ukraine 10 billion a year to indefinitely needle and grind Russians.

Let Slavs fight other Slavs

In the words of Chas Freeman, you want to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Remember that in the "we gave Russia Afghanistan" scenario, Afghanistan was turned into a hellhole and remains one to this day. Please understand this is the path you're paving for Ukraine.

Yes. Great power politics is back.

This is Cold War crap, and Americas too soft and weak to be considered a viable threat.
I mean come on, front page news is transgender athletes, people in the Capitol taking photos during a rally, how many weeks should a woman have to decide to abort a fetus or not, DEI quotas, dropping grades and test scores for K-12 and college, etc.
what a joke!

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Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

What was Putin actually willing to agree to? Be honest.
Nothing. He was happy to talk while his troops repositioned. There was no actual deal on the table.

No one in the general public really knows what was on the table and who walked away from it. The fog of war is thick with lies on both sides. I'm going off what was published for all and sundry.

Wait for the settlement and see how much it deviates from Istanbul. My guess would be not very much. No matter how much you dislike it, if the two are close, that means all the death and destruction that happened since Istanbul could have been prevented.

I suppose the death and destruction could have been totally avoided if Ukraine has just submitted.

The invasion was criminal and stupid. However, there were many lost opportunities to prevent it that were not, sadly, explored.

Fascinating. Such as?

Remember that Zelensky was elected on the platform of bringing peace to Donbass through reconciliation, not military assault. That didn't happen (although I believe he meant it at the time) because the right wingers made it clear there is to be no rapprochement with Russia whatsoever, and threatened his life if he ventured in that direction. So that was one lost opportunity. The Minsk accords, flawed as they were, called for autonomy, not secession, of Donetsk and Lugansk, that were historically pro-Russian and did not support the Maidan movement in any way. Would it have been so bad to give them a measure of autonomy via a model of a federated government of some sort? Would it have been so bad to give the Russian language some form of protected status with guaranteed education in Russian for those who wanted it? Most of former USSR republics have Russian-language schools (and they are quite popular with the locals) so why not?

I mean look, I get that you think that's appeasement and bad policy and whatnot. It was still worth trying to see if this could have prevented the current disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

Ukraine has exposed Russia for the poor quality thugs they are....good to know.

If that was true, no billion-dollar aid packages would have been needed to fight with them. It's quite ironic to see the media simultaneously claim that a) the Russian army is low quality, under-equipped, under-resources, dumb and poor, paper tiger, and b) Ukraine urgently needs many billion dollars worth of weapons to fight them.

Most Americans are dumb and believe tons of nonsense mass media spews out.

Like Obama Admin didn’t wiretap an opposition campaign
Hillary Didn’t smash her cell phones
Russian Collusion is real
Hunters laptop is Russian disinformation
Electing Biden won’t cause 5/6/7 dollar gas
The Steele Dossier is reliable
Electing Biden won’t lead into a recession / depression
Epstein killed himself
The election was not effected by fraud.

Wait a minute …. Trump broke all the actually correct journalism on all these blockbusters!! On top of Being his HS baseball captain, graduating Wharton ,rebuilding Manhattan, becoming a billionaire, only mating with world class beauties, being a best selling author in his 30s, being a scratch golfer, owning iconic properties worldwide, being a decade long tv star, raising health/happy/Ivy educated children, winning President on his first try on a minuscule budget, completing the National Post Office hotel ahead of schedule and under budget, keeping world peace with no new wars, record high stock market, developing the Covid Vaccine, low inflation, full shelves, energy independence, handed Biden a expanding economy, hit a hole in one and 40 ft putt last month…


…. Now he’s the greatest journalist of the 21st century breaking all the blockbuster stories ahead of all other journalists !!


America has a new Walter Cronkite

[Anonymous]

^^^ plus Trump doesn’t fall off bicycles.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

Ukraine has exposed Russia for the poor quality thugs they are....good to know.

If that was true, no billion-dollar aid packages would have been needed to fight with them. It's quite ironic to see the media simultaneously claim that a) the Russian army is low quality, under-equipped, under-resources, dumb and poor, paper tiger, and b) Ukraine urgently needs many billion dollars worth of weapons to fight them.

Most Americans are dumb and believe tons of nonsense mass media spews out.

Like Obama Admin didn’t wiretap an opposition campaign
Hillary Didn’t smash her cell phones
Russian Collusion is real
Hunters laptop is Russian disinformation
Electing Biden won’t cause 5/6/7 dollar gas
The Steele Dossier is reliable
Electing Biden won’t lead into a recession / depression
Epstein killed himself
The election was not effected by fraud.

Wait a minute …. Trump broke all the actually correct journalism on all these blockbusters!! On top of Being his HS baseball captain, graduating Wharton ,rebuilding Manhattan, becoming a billionaire, only mating with world class beauties, being a best selling author in his 30s, being a scratch golfer, owning iconic properties worldwide, being a decade long tv star, raising health/happy/Ivy educated children, winning President on his first try on a minuscule budget, completing the National Post Office hotel ahead of schedule and under budget, keeping world peace with no new wars, record high stock market, developing the Covid Vaccine, low inflation, full shelves, energy independence, handed Biden a expanding economy, hit a hole in one and 40 ft putt last month…


…. Now he’s the greatest journalist of the 21st century breaking all the blockbuster stories ahead of all other journalists !!


America has a new Walter Cronkite

Not a single Trump child is Ivy educated.

Happy people don't drink, take drugs or get photographed with dead elephants.

[Anonymous]

‘Cos Penn is a “lower Ivy” according to DCUM, right? (Ivanka, class of 2004)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:‘Cos Penn is a “lower Ivy” according to DCUM, right? (Ivanka, class of 2004)

That was hardly the least inaccurate part of that deluded post.