Ukraine war - which side is winning?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

What was Putin actually willing to agree to? Be honest.
Nothing. He was happy to talk while his troops repositioned. There was no actual deal on the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

How about we put it how it is: Russia was going to hurt Ukraine very badly regardless of whether or not it's bleeding out. At least with it bleeding out, it will hurt Ukraine less than it could have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

Ukraine has exposed Russia for the poor quality thugs they are....good to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

What was Putin actually willing to agree to? Be honest.
Nothing. He was happy to talk while his troops repositioned. There was no actual deal on the table.

No one in the general public really knows what was on the table and who walked away from it. The fog of war is thick with lies on both sides. I'm going off what was published for all and sundry.

Wait for the settlement and see how much it deviates from Istanbul. My guess would be not very much. No matter how much you dislike it, if the two are close, that means all the death and destruction that happened since Istanbul could have been prevented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

Ukraine has exposed Russia for the poor quality thugs they are....good to know.

If that was true, no billion-dollar aid packages would have been needed to fight with them. It's quite ironic to see the media simultaneously claim that a) the Russian army is low quality, under-equipped, under-resources, dumb and poor, paper tiger, and b) Ukraine urgently needs many billion dollars worth of weapons to fight them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

What was Putin actually willing to agree to? Be honest.
Nothing. He was happy to talk while his troops repositioned. There was no actual deal on the table.

No one in the general public really knows what was on the table and who walked away from it. The fog of war is thick with lies on both sides. I'm going off what was published for all and sundry.

Wait for the settlement and see how much it deviates from Istanbul. My guess would be not very much. No matter how much you dislike it, if the two are close, that means all the death and destruction that happened since Istanbul could have been prevented.

I suppose the death and destruction could have been totally avoided if Ukraine has just submitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

Ukraine has exposed Russia for the poor quality thugs they are....good to know.

If that was true, no billion-dollar aid packages would have been needed to fight with them. It's quite ironic to see the media simultaneously claim that a) the Russian army is low quality, under-equipped, under-resources, dumb and poor, paper tiger, and b) Ukraine urgently needs many billion dollars worth of weapons to fight them.

An idiot with a huge gun is still dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

What was Putin actually willing to agree to? Be honest.
Nothing. He was happy to talk while his troops repositioned. There was no actual deal on the table.

No one in the general public really knows what was on the table and who walked away from it. The fog of war is thick with lies on both sides. I'm going off what was published for all and sundry.

Wait for the settlement and see how much it deviates from Istanbul. My guess would be not very much. No matter how much you dislike it, if the two are close, that means all the death and destruction that happened since Istanbul could have been prevented.

I suppose the death and destruction could have been totally avoided if Ukraine has just submitted.

The invasion was criminal and stupid. However, there were many lost opportunities to prevent it that were not, sadly, explored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

Bleeding Russia helps Ukraine.

It didn't work out this way so far. Let's put it this way, Ukraine can be hurt very badly while Russia is bleeding out.

Once the settlement is negotiated, you should look at what was proposed in Istanbul two months ago (approx), see if there were any major differences, and then ask yourself - how many people had to die and how much destruction had to happen since Istanbul for the parties to agree to essentially the same thing?

What was Putin actually willing to agree to? Be honest.
Nothing. He was happy to talk while his troops repositioned. There was no actual deal on the table.

No one in the general public really knows what was on the table and who walked away from it. The fog of war is thick with lies on both sides. I'm going off what was published for all and sundry.

Wait for the settlement and see how much it deviates from Istanbul. My guess would be not very much. No matter how much you dislike it, if the two are close, that means all the death and destruction that happened since Istanbul could have been prevented.

I suppose the death and destruction could have been totally avoided if Ukraine has just submitted.

The invasion was criminal and stupid. However, there were many lost opportunities to prevent it that were not, sadly, explored.

Fascinating. Such as?

[Anonymous]

At this point it looks like, and the conventional wisdom seems to be, Russia will get the eastern regions and some decent productive assets, and Ukraine will remain as a poor rump state, but still somewhat of a buffer.

I don't think any of the western leaders at this point are operating under a private belief that we're going to continue to provide the massive materiel and financial subsidies needed to continue this war indefinitely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point it looks like, and the conventional wisdom seems to be, Russia will get the eastern regions and some decent productive assets, and Ukraine will remain as a poor rump state, but still somewhat of a buffer.

I don't think any of the western leaders at this point are operating under a private belief that we're going to continue to provide the massive materiel and financial subsidies needed to continue this war indefinitely.

It doesn’t cost much to give just enough to Ukraine to turn it into Afghanistan on Russia’s doorstep.

That’s the goal.

Western foreign affairs planners are drooling at this possibility.

Id gladly give Ukraine 10 billion a year to indefinitely needle and grind Russians.

Let Slavs fight other Slavs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad we sent all that money over there to Ukraine and for what? Put that money into our cities that need it most. Start cleaning our own sht up.

That money is bleeding and hurting Russia.
Money week spent.

Meaning you don't really care about helping Ukraine?

No not really.

The price of inflation is worth the cost of being gifted the opportunity to create Afghanistan on Russia’s doorstep.

You couldn’t think of a better way to directly needle Russia just enough in a slow boil to cause them multi-decade problems

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point it looks like, and the conventional wisdom seems to be, Russia will get the eastern regions and some decent productive assets, and Ukraine will remain as a poor rump state, but still somewhat of a buffer.

I don't think any of the western leaders at this point are operating under a private belief that we're going to continue to provide the massive materiel and financial subsidies needed to continue this war indefinitely.

It doesn’t cost much to give just enough to Ukraine to turn it into Afghanistan on Russia’s doorstep.

That’s the goal.

Western foreign affairs planners are drooling at this possibility.

Id gladly give Ukraine 10 billion a year to indefinitely needle and grind Russians.

Let Slavs fight other Slavs

In the words of Chas Freeman, you want to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Remember that in the "we gave Russia Afghanistan" scenario, Afghanistan was turned into a hellhole and remains one to this day. Please understand this is the path you're paving for Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point it looks like, and the conventional wisdom seems to be, Russia will get the eastern regions and some decent productive assets, and Ukraine will remain as a poor rump state, but still somewhat of a buffer.

I don't think any of the western leaders at this point are operating under a private belief that we're going to continue to provide the massive materiel and financial subsidies needed to continue this war indefinitely.

It doesn’t cost much to give just enough to Ukraine to turn it into Afghanistan on Russia’s doorstep.

That’s the goal.

Western foreign affairs planners are drooling at this possibility.

Id gladly give Ukraine 10 billion a year to indefinitely needle and grind Russians.

Let Slavs fight other Slavs

In the words of Chas Freeman, you want to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Remember that in the "we gave Russia Afghanistan" scenario, Afghanistan was turned into a hellhole and remains one to this day. Please understand this is the path you're paving for Ukraine.

Yes. Great power politics is back.