Bethany Mandel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know Bethany and her fan bois are reading this and assuming that we are all liberals who hate her for her politics and I'm here to say that's not true. I'm a conservative, married to a two-time Trump voter (I wrote in Jeb Bush both times but I live in a solid blue state so it didn't matter), and I find her absolutely unbearable to read. It's not her politics that are awful, it's just her personality.

But hey, to all those guys on Bethany's twitter calling us c***s: She's never gonna sleep with you, dude.

So you think ad hominem attacks are a good thing. Probably better to be among the "liberals who hate her for her politics" than someone who shares her politics but hates her for who she is and publicly gripes about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread seems petty and mean-spirited. I enjoy reading Bethany on Twitter and find her to be very intelligent, a quick study, a clear, articulate writer, and she has a really good sense of humor. Along with these attributes, she's happily married to an intelligent, very nice, handsome man who is a devoted husband and father, and she's an involved mother who enjoys motherhood. And, she's very pretty. Maybe that's too much for some people to handle.

(And, of course, I'm not her. I just hate to see people gratuitously attacking kind people.)

My dh is hotter than Seth. Guess I'm just better than Bethany since you seem to think looks are everything.

We call him The Meth Sandal on Twitter.

I thought that was just a joke because he was a conservative who deigned to vote for Biden not to do with his looks! Y’all are mean, Seth isn’t Paul Newman but he doesn’t look like a meth head!

It's a play on his name - no one thinks he's a meth head.

+1 And clearly Bethany googles herself on the regular since she found this thread so fast - I see slightly changed names like that on Twitter frequently to discuss someone who searches themselves frequently and sends their fans after posts they don’t like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know Bethany and her fan bois are reading this and assuming that we are all liberals who hate her for her politics and I'm here to say that's not true. I'm a conservative, married to a two-time Trump voter (I wrote in Jeb Bush both times but I live in a solid blue state so it didn't matter), and I find her absolutely unbearable to read. It's not her politics that are awful, it's just her personality.

But hey, to all those guys on Bethany's twitter calling us c***s: She's never gonna sleep with you, dude.

So you think ad hominem attacks are a good thing. Probably better to be among the "liberals who hate her for her politics" than someone who shares her politics but hates her for who she is and publicly gripes about it.

Saying someone has a bad personality is an “ad hominem attack” now? Bad personality is different from bad person and is an opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know Bethany and her fan bois are reading this and assuming that we are all liberals who hate her for her politics and I'm here to say that's not true. I'm a conservative, married to a two-time Trump voter (I wrote in Jeb Bush both times but I live in a solid blue state so it didn't matter), and I find her absolutely unbearable to read. It's not her politics that are awful, it's just her personality.

But hey, to all those guys on Bethany's twitter calling us c***s: She's never gonna sleep with you, dude.

So you think ad hominem attacks are a good thing. Probably better to be among the "liberals who hate her for her politics" than someone who shares her politics but hates her for who she is and publicly gripes about it.

Saying someone has a bad personality is an “ad hominem attack” now? Bad personality is different from bad person and is an opinion.

Yes, when you say that it isn't her politics that are awful, it's her personality, that's an ad hominem attack because you're reacting to her as a person, not to her positions or opinions.

Ad hominem: an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining

Personality: the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know Bethany and her fan bois are reading this and assuming that we are all liberals who hate her for her politics and I'm here to say that's not true. I'm a conservative, married to a two-time Trump voter (I wrote in Jeb Bush both times but I live in a solid blue state so it didn't matter), and I find her absolutely unbearable to read. It's not her politics that are awful, it's just her personality.

But hey, to all those guys on Bethany's twitter calling us c***s: She's never gonna sleep with you, dude.

So you think ad hominem attacks are a good thing. Probably better to be among the "liberals who hate her for her politics" than someone who shares her politics but hates her for who she is and publicly gripes about it.

Saying someone has a bad personality is an “ad hominem attack” now? Bad personality is different from bad person and is an opinion.

Yes, when you say that it isn't her politics that are awful, it's her personality, that's an ad hominem attack because you're reacting to her as a person, not to her positions or opinions.

Ad hominem: an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining

Personality: the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character

Oh, okay. So like, if for example I said some women were "the most rotten b*****es on the internet" that would be an ad hominem attack?

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Anonymous wrote:I know Bethany and her fan bois are reading this and assuming that we are all liberals who hate her for her politics and I'm here to say that's not true. I'm a conservative, married to a two-time Trump voter (I wrote in Jeb Bush both times but I live in a solid blue state so it didn't matter), and I find her absolutely unbearable to read. It's not her politics that are awful, it's just her personality.

But hey, to all those guys on Bethany's twitter calling us c***s: She's never gonna sleep with you, dude.

So you think ad hominem attacks are a good thing. Probably better to be among the "liberals who hate her for her politics" than someone who shares her politics but hates her for who she is and publicly gripes about it.

Saying someone has a bad personality is an “ad hominem attack” now? Bad personality is different from bad person and is an opinion.

Yes, when you say that it isn't her politics that are awful, it's her personality, that's an ad hominem attack because you're reacting to her as a person, not to her positions or opinions.

Ad hominem: an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining

Personality: the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character

Oh, okay. So like, if for example I said some women were "the most rotten b*****es on the internet" that would be an ad hominem attack?

Excuse me but as a former LSAT instructor I must intervene:

An ad hominem attack is when you say that a position or argument can't possibly be true because the person advancing the argument or position is a bad person. So: You're against vaccine mandates? What a stupid position - you know only most rotten b*****es on the internet like Bethany Mandel are against vaccine mandates.

It is not an ad hominem attack to say: I don't like Bethany Mandel because among she's most rotten b*****es on the internet and she's against vaccine mandates.

Do you see the difference?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know Bethany and her fan bois are reading this and assuming that we are all liberals who hate her for her politics and I'm here to say that's not true. I'm a conservative, married to a two-time Trump voter (I wrote in Jeb Bush both times but I live in a solid blue state so it didn't matter), and I find her absolutely unbearable to read. It's not her politics that are awful, it's just her personality.

But hey, to all those guys on Bethany's twitter calling us c***s: She's never gonna sleep with you, dude.

So you think ad hominem attacks are a good thing. Probably better to be among the "liberals who hate her for her politics" than someone who shares her politics but hates her for who she is and publicly gripes about it.

Saying someone has a bad personality is an “ad hominem attack” now? Bad personality is different from bad person and is an opinion.

Yes, when you say that it isn't her politics that are awful, it's her personality, that's an ad hominem attack because you're reacting to her as a person, not to her positions or opinions.

Ad hominem: an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining

Personality: the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character

Oh, okay. So like, if for example I said some women were "the most rotten b*****es on the internet" that would be an ad hominem attack?

Excuse me but as a former LSAT instructor I must intervene:

An ad hominem attack is when you say that a position or argument can't possibly be true because the person advancing the argument or position is a bad person. So: You're against vaccine mandates? What a stupid position - you know only most rotten b*****es on the internet like Bethany Mandel are against vaccine mandates.

It is not an ad hominem attack to say: I don't like Bethany Mandel because among she's most rotten b*****es on the internet and she's against vaccine mandates.

Do you see the difference?

I think you are asking Bethany (or whoever originally claimed it's an ad hominem attack to say someone has a bad personality) but I will chime in. Yes, I see the difference. Thank you! This is exactly what I thought an ad hominem attack was.

[Anonymous]

I have never sought this woman out but for some reason people continually retweet her and her husband into my feed, even though they never have anything valuable to say.

Most recently it was this article of hers, which is just so obnoxious: https://www.deseret.com/2021/6/11/22528243/culture-winning-the-smear-campaign-against-pro-family-parenting-social-media-motherhood

First of all, she writes like a high schooler. I can't believe anyone pays this person to write or edit.

But more importantly, the premise of this article is just so smug and condescending. It's amazing anyone can be so lacking in self-awareness.

She truly thinks that people who choose not to have children are just wrong and have been mislead by "negative PR". That if they really understood what motherhood was like (it's always about women specifically, too) they would make the right decision - her decision - and have kids. It is truly beyond her comprehension that people might understand all the positive aspects of parenting and still make a different choice than she did.

[Anonymous]

I followed her on twitter because of this thread and she does not disappoint. Like what is this idiocy - https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark/status/1463157538405457946

I actually agree with her that I would prefer my kid's daycare teachers didn't mask, but what exactly does she think she's doing here? She wants to crowdsource "info on the developmental importance" of unmasking? Does she think this is how scientific research is done? She says two tweets later that she's going to create a "fact sheet" for parents to give to their daycares. With what facts, Bethany? Some stuff random people said to you on twitter?

She's not the brightest bulb, as they say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I followed her on twitter because of this thread and she does not disappoint. Like what is this idiocy - https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark/status/1463157538405457946

I actually agree with her that I would prefer my kid's daycare teachers didn't mask, but what exactly does she think she's doing here? She wants to crowdsource "info on the developmental importance" of unmasking? Does she think this is how scientific research is done? She says two tweets later that she's going to create a "fact sheet" for parents to give to their daycares. With what facts, Bethany? Some stuff random people said to you on twitter?

She's not the brightest bulb, as they say.

As they say, to change hearts and minds, give teachers and daycare providers fact-sheets of...information crowdsourced from Republican moms on twitter.

And I despise teachers' unions. But two things can be true: Both teachers' unions AND Bethany can be terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread seems petty and mean-spirited. I enjoy reading Bethany on Twitter and find her to be very intelligent, a quick study, a clear, articulate writer, and she has a really good sense of humor. Along with these attributes, she's happily married to an intelligent, very nice, handsome man who is a devoted husband and father, and she's an involved mother who enjoys motherhood. And, she's very pretty. Maybe that's too much for some people to handle.

(And, of course, I'm not her. I just hate to see people gratuitously attacking kind people.)

My dh is hotter than Seth. Guess I'm just better than Bethany since you seem to think looks are everything.

We call him The Meth Sandal on Twitter.

I thought that was just a joke because he was a conservative who deigned to vote for Biden not to do with his looks! Y’all are mean, Seth isn’t Paul Newman but he doesn’t look like a meth head!

It's a play on his name - no one thinks he's a meth head.

+1 And clearly Bethany googles herself on the regular since she found this thread so fast - I see slightly changed names like that on Twitter frequently to discuss someone who searches themselves frequently and sends their fans after posts they don’t like.

It actually took her a couple of days this go-round! Last time there was a thread on her she found it within an hour or two lol. She must have a google alert set up and just missed the email about this one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know Bethany and her fan bois are reading this and assuming that we are all liberals who hate her for her politics and I'm here to say that's not true. I'm a conservative, married to a two-time Trump voter (I wrote in Jeb Bush both times but I live in a solid blue state so it didn't matter), and I find her absolutely unbearable to read. It's not her politics that are awful, it's just her personality.

But hey, to all those guys on Bethany's twitter calling us c***s: She's never gonna sleep with you, dude.

So you think ad hominem attacks are a good thing. Probably better to be among the "liberals who hate her for her politics" than someone who shares her politics but hates her for who she is and publicly gripes about it.

I guess I could be a liberal but keep in mind I believe in personal responsibility (yes even for Black people!) while Bethany is bleating about vaccine mandates being "racist" (Funny that she's so racist she thinks Black people can't figure out how to make a damn CVS minute clinic appointment)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know Bethany and her fan bois are reading this and assuming that we are all liberals who hate her for her politics and I'm here to say that's not true. I'm a conservative, married to a two-time Trump voter (I wrote in Jeb Bush both times but I live in a solid blue state so it didn't matter), and I find her absolutely unbearable to read. It's not her politics that are awful, it's just her personality.

But hey, to all those guys on Bethany's twitter calling us c***s: She's never gonna sleep with you, dude.

So you think ad hominem attacks are a good thing. Probably better to be among the "liberals who hate her for her politics" than someone who shares her politics but hates her for who she is and publicly gripes about it.

I guess I could be a liberal but keep in mind I believe in personal responsibility (yes even for Black people!) while Bethany is bleating about vaccine mandates being "racist" (Funny that she's so racist she thinks Black people can't figure out how to make a damn CVS minute clinic appointment)

Right wingers are still desperately clinging to the early narrative that minorities weren’t getting vaccinated at the same percentages as white people. That has evened out and partisanship is now the biggest distinction of who isn’t vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anyone interested in Bethany's picture book Black Friday sale? For 29.95, you can tell your kids about Ronald Reagan only to turn around and teach them why they should vote for Republicans who are the exact opposite of Reagan. Btw, don't read this to them while they're getting vaccinated because you shouldn't vaccinate them because SCIENCE SAYS they don't need it, Bethany's twitter friends DM'd her that so now it's on a fact sheet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Always melodrama with this one. I remember a few months ago my mom and I saw her tweet ranting about the fact that her pediatrician had separate cups for clean and dirty pens. We thought it was the most hysterical thing that, of all things in the world happening right now, this was Bethany's biggest concern right now: sanitized pens.

She was manic about the fact that "COVID ISN'T SPREAD VIA SURFACES THIS IS JUST THEATER." Madame, it's a pediatrician's office. I agree covid may not be spread from a pen at a pediatrician's office, but sick kids have a lot of germs that are spread via touch. Cold. Flu. Stomach bug. Pink eye. Those were my first assumptions about germs they were trying to wipe away when she tweeted that. For someone who claims covid isn't a big deal, it's certainly ever-present in her deranged mind.

I remember reading that tweet and wondering why Bethany was bothered that her pediatrician's office provided clean pens, labeling it theater. First of all, I'm sure doctors' offices, especially during COVID, have enough to worry about than to take time to invent ways to make people go through the motions of caution, or whatever Bethany meant by "theater". I would probably be conscious of germs at a pediatrician's office and would have (quietly) appreciated the staff thinking of that detail with the pens. Weren't we all just a tad uncomfortable going into doctors' offices at first? Also, even if studies eventually found that COVID isn't spread by surfaces, who wants to get ill with anything at all during COVID if they can help it, or have kids get sick with other stuff while doctors are so busy dealing with a pandemic?

Until reading this thread, it never occurred to me that Bethany is deliberately provocative. I see that possibility now.