Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Yea, they can do that. If that happens, good luck on the next election.

You already hate them anyway. Why would that make any difference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

Do it completely by allocations? Top 5% (or whatever magical # to balance numbers) from each middle school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

Honestly, that sounds fine to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

Honestly, that sounds fine to me.

Yea, now we see whether they have the will to do something like this or will they stick to their racist guns as the chairwoman of the school board has already vowed to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

Honestly, that sounds fine to me.

If they do this based on base middle school instead of attending school, it would be fine as wouldn’t discriminate AAP kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

Honestly, that sounds fine to me.

If they do this based on base middle school instead of attending school, it would be fine as wouldn’t discriminate against AAP kids.

Or simply allocate based on school pyramids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Judge Hilton denied FCPS's motion for a stay. FCPS will have to use a merit-based admission system for the class of 2026.

They'll appeal for a stay to the 4th Circuit as well. This was a procedural move and no one realistically expected that Hilton would essentially reverse himself.

It would be genuinely shocking if the stay were not granted by the 4th Circuit.

That wouldn’t be essentially reversing himself lmao, it would be an acknowledgment of the uncertainty and potential harm of the school district being forced to jerk around families. This kind of stay is granted all the time.

Given the language that he used in the opinion, it absolutely would be reversing himself. He couldn't grant the stay without seriously doing damage to his core arguments in the opinion.

If you find a school process is racist then you wouldn't grant a stay to allow the racist process to remain in place. Racism is more harm to kids than reverting to an old admission system.

Except that the old admission system was even more racist.

Only in your progressive opinion which is based on emotions and probably social media complaining. The old admission process was legal, the new progressive approach was racist and unconstitutional.

1) Umm, I'm not a progressive, but I guess assume what you will if that makes you feel better? Not that there's anything wrong with progressives (or conservatives), I just don't see eye-to-eye with them on a significant range of issues.
2) The legal process / constitutionality question has not yet completed. We got one decision, but it hasn't been settled yet.
3) More importantly, you seem to be equating "legal" with "not racist". History has shown us that's a bad assumption.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Judge Hilton denied FCPS's motion for a stay. FCPS will have to use a merit-based admission system for the class of 2026.

They'll appeal for a stay to the 4th Circuit as well. This was a procedural move and no one realistically expected that Hilton would essentially reverse himself.

It would be genuinely shocking if the stay were not granted by the 4th Circuit.

That wouldn’t be essentially reversing himself lmao, it would be an acknowledgment of the uncertainty and potential harm of the school district being forced to jerk around families. This kind of stay is granted all the time.

Given the language that he used in the opinion, it absolutely would be reversing himself. He couldn't grant the stay without seriously doing damage to his core arguments in the opinion.

If you find a school process is racist then you wouldn't grant a stay to allow the racist process to remain in place. Racism is more harm to kids than reverting to an old admission system.

Except that the old admission system was even more racist.

Only in your progressive opinion which is based on emotions and probably social media complaining. The old admission process was legal, the new progressive approach was racist and unconstitutional.

1) Umm, I'm not a progressive, but I guess assume what you will if that makes you feel better? Not that there's anything wrong with progressives (or conservatives), I just don't see eye-to-eye with them on a significant range of issues.
2) The legal process / constitutionality question has not yet completed. We got one decision, but it hasn't been settled yet.
3) More importantly, you seem to be equating "legal" with "not racist". History has shown us that's a bad assumption.

I'm sure you're not a progressive and wouldn't be surprised if you also support those new voter laws restricting POC from voting locations. If you are comfortable with one court determined racist policy I'm sure you're comfortable with a whole host of others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

Honestly, that sounds fine to me.

Yea, now we see whether they have the will to do something like this or will they stick to their racist guns as the chairwoman of the school board has already vowed to do.

The top 1.5% was not determined on the basis of merit, but on a holistic process which favored some racial groups over others. At each of these schools, there will be a plethora of children with a 4.0 GPA. There is no way around this without a test. What would make sense would be to award a seat to the top student, score included, from each BASE school, for children enrolled in AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

Honestly, that sounds fine to me.

Yea, now we see whether they have the will to do something like this or will they stick to their racist guns as the chairwoman of the school board has already vowed to do.

The top 1.5% was not determined on the basis of merit, but on a holistic process which favored some racial groups over others. At each of these schools, there will be a plethora of children with a 4.0 GPA. There is no way around this without a test. What would make sense would be to award a seat to the top student, score included, from each BASE school, for children enrolled in AAP.

They have GPA and the test results. Pick the top X% from each base middle school to fill the school. If there are still too many kids from a middle school then lottery to get the X%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Judge Hilton denied FCPS's motion for a stay. FCPS will have to use a merit-based admission system for the class of 2026.

They'll appeal for a stay to the 4th Circuit as well. This was a procedural move and no one realistically expected that Hilton would essentially reverse himself.

It would be genuinely shocking if the stay were not granted by the 4th Circuit.

That wouldn’t be essentially reversing himself lmao, it would be an acknowledgment of the uncertainty and potential harm of the school district being forced to jerk around families. This kind of stay is granted all the time.

Given the language that he used in the opinion, it absolutely would be reversing himself. He couldn't grant the stay without seriously doing damage to his core arguments in the opinion.

If you find a school process is racist then you wouldn't grant a stay to allow the racist process to remain in place. Racism is more harm to kids than reverting to an old admission system.

Except that the old admission system was even more racist.

You cling to some really odd reality-adjacent perceptions about about other people with disturbing rigidity.

Only in your progressive opinion which is based on emotions and probably social media complaining. The old admission process was legal, the new progressive approach was racist and unconstitutional.

1) Umm, I'm not a progressive, but I guess assume what you will if that makes you feel better? Not that there's anything wrong with progressives (or conservatives), I just don't see eye-to-eye with them on a significant range of issues.
2) The legal process / constitutionality question has not yet completed. We got one decision, but it hasn't been settled yet.
3) More importantly, you seem to be equating "legal" with "not racist". History has shown us that's a bad assumption.

I'm sure you're not a progressive and wouldn't be surprised if you also support those new voter laws restricting POC from voting locations. If you are comfortable with one court determined racist policy I'm sure you're comfortable with a whole host of others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Judge Hilton denied FCPS's motion for a stay. FCPS will have to use a merit-based admission system for the class of 2026.

They'll appeal for a stay to the 4th Circuit as well. This was a procedural move and no one realistically expected that Hilton would essentially reverse himself.

It would be genuinely shocking if the stay were not granted by the 4th Circuit.

That wouldn’t be essentially reversing himself lmao, it would be an acknowledgment of the uncertainty and potential harm of the school district being forced to jerk around families. This kind of stay is granted all the time.

Given the language that he used in the opinion, it absolutely would be reversing himself. He couldn't grant the stay without seriously doing damage to his core arguments in the opinion.

If you find a school process is racist then you wouldn't grant a stay to allow the racist process to remain in place. Racism is more harm to kids than reverting to an old admission system.

Except that the old admission system was even more racist.

Only in your progressive opinion which is based on emotions and probably social media complaining. The old admission process was legal, the new progressive approach was racist and unconstitutional.

1) Umm, I'm not a progressive, but I guess assume what you will if that makes you feel better? Not that there's anything wrong with progressives (or conservatives), I just don't see eye-to-eye with them on a significant range of issues.
2) The legal process / constitutionality question has not yet completed. We got one decision, but it hasn't been settled yet.
3) More importantly, you seem to be equating "legal" with "not racist". History has shown us that's a bad assumption.

I'm sure you're not a progressive and wouldn't be surprised if you also support those new voter laws restricting POC from voting locations. If you are comfortable with one court determined racist policy I'm sure you're comfortable with a whole host of others.

You cling to some really odd reality-adjacent perceptions about about other people with disturbing rigidity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Judge Hilton denied FCPS's motion for a stay. FCPS will have to use a merit-based admission system for the class of 2026.

They'll appeal for a stay to the 4th Circuit as well. This was a procedural move and no one realistically expected that Hilton would essentially reverse himself.

It would be genuinely shocking if the stay were not granted by the 4th Circuit.

That wouldn’t be essentially reversing himself lmao, it would be an acknowledgment of the uncertainty and potential harm of the school district being forced to jerk around families. This kind of stay is granted all the time.

Given the language that he used in the opinion, it absolutely would be reversing himself. He couldn't grant the stay without seriously doing damage to his core arguments in the opinion.

If you find a school process is racist then you wouldn't grant a stay to allow the racist process to remain in place. Racism is more harm to kids than reverting to an old admission system.

Except that the old admission system was even more racist.

Only in your progressive opinion which is based on emotions and probably social media complaining. The old admission process was legal, the new progressive approach was racist and unconstitutional.

1) Umm, I'm not a progressive, but I guess assume what you will if that makes you feel better? Not that there's anything wrong with progressives (or conservatives), I just don't see eye-to-eye with them on a significant range of issues.
2) The legal process / constitutionality question has not yet completed. We got one decision, but it hasn't been settled yet.
3) More importantly, you seem to be equating "legal" with "not racist". History has shown us that's a bad assumption.

I'm sure you're not a progressive and wouldn't be surprised if you also support those new voter laws restricting POC from voting locations. If you are comfortable with one court determined racist policy I'm sure you're comfortable with a whole host of others.

You cling to some really odd reality-adjacent perceptions about about other people with disturbing rigidity.

A more elegant way of saying that PP is fcked in the head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when they decide on a straight up lottery for this year….everyone on this board will be really mad, right?

Let’s go lottery.

Either lottery or existing test results/GPA. Too late for other options.

They would probably have to roll back the "historically under represented schools" part. The top 1.5 percent per school is likely something that can be kept because that is still merit based.

Honestly, that sounds fine to me.

Yea, now we see whether they have the will to do something like this or will they stick to their racist guns as the chairwoman of the school board has already vowed to do.

The top 1.5% was not determined on the basis of merit, but on a holistic process which favored some racial groups over others. At each of these schools, there will be a plethora of children with a 4.0 GPA. There is no way around this without a test. What would make sense would be to award a seat to the top student, score included, from each BASE school, for children enrolled in AAP.

They have GPA and the test results. Pick the top X% from each base middle school to fill the school. If there are still too many kids from a middle school then lottery to get the X%.

I wish this was the process and no one would have had any issue with it as it would be completely fair and no implicit discrimination against any particular group. Distribute half of the available to equally among top students in all the BASE schools or school pyramids (not 'attending' schools to avoid discriminating against kids going to AAP centers) and put the other half in an open pool and select the top students from the remaining students provided some min criteria is met. I wish they consider teacher recommendations as they know kids who are truly deserved, but might have missed an A in some course etc. I wouldn't give too much attention to portrait sheet etc (as its subjective and tests language skills more than STEM focus) and instead focus on fully middle school GPA, regular courses taken (not 'paid' summer courses), teacher input etc.