SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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+1 Yes, SJP is doing this to herself. And has been since season 3 I think.

Love it or hate it, this is true and I think SJP is writing herself this way for a reason. I think a lot of haters of the show aren’t getting that. I think maybe this is how she might have seen herself at one time? I just think a lot of people are missing the point of the show. I think Carrie’s character maybe how SJP imagined life was for young women in the “The City”. Remember SJP came from a very poor background.

Agreed, Carrie can be awful but I appreciate SJP didn’t take the Mary Sue route with the character.

There is a lot of space between Carrie's awfulness and Mary Sue.

Did you ever watch Monk? Tony Shaloub insisted that Adrian Monk not become merely likably quirky over the course of the series. You might understand him better, he might stretch himself in certain ways, but he wasn't going to turn into someone who never made you cringe.

Carrie has some good moments (offering to get Charlotte out of the wedding, being upfront about her abortion -- and calling herself on it when she tried to lie and make it seem more "justifiable" or palatable or whatever), but they're sitting on a pile of cringe.

And Miranda's !!!Drinking!!! Problem!!! is so stupidly . . . . can it even be called "telegraphed'? Megaphoned?

With Monk you always feel like he's in on how he's supposed to be perceived. We see him how they also see him. I'm not sure with SATC that the creators have the same vision of the character as we do. Do you think our visions are aligned?

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I have no intention of watching this show (don't have HBO anyway) but you better believe I will be checking this thread when the next episode comes out!

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Anonymous wrote:I have no intention of watching this show (don't have HBO anyway) but you better believe I will be checking this thread when the next episode comes out!

It was clearly the right call to bring it back. I think a lot of people are "hate watching."

I was not a huge fan of the original, though I was a viewer and I guess a low key fan. I eventually got around to seeing the movies. And I will watch the rest of AJLT. Why? I can't say. I guess nostalgia.

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With Monk you always feel like he's in on how he's supposed to be perceived. We see him how they also see him. I'm not sure with SATC that the creators have the same vision of the character as we do. Do you think our visions are aligned?

The pronouns in the bolded are not helping you make your point. Is "he" Tony Shaloub or Adrian Monk?

If what you're saying is that SJP doesn't realize how loathsome CB is, I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just over here wondering what’s going on with Miranda’s drinking.

Also Bigs secretary?

And liking the return of Susan Sharon

See, a few posts back a poster mentioned the flowers were a dig at Kim. I actually took Susan Sharon’s ranting and Carrie being confused as the real shade towards Kim. Anyone else?

Wait, what was the reason they had a falling out? I don’t remember the storyline and I didn’t even recognize the Sharon Susan character. Did it have something to do with Samantha?

Well I thought the conversation with Miranda and Carrie about how Samantha just thought of Carrie as an ATM and didn't talk to her or Charlotte after the falling out and that CB had reached out over and over to mend the fence was the shade at KC!

So maybe the whole first two episodes were filled with subtle shade at KC, making it all the less mysterious why she didn't come back!

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Anonymous wrote:Love it or hate it, this is true and I think SJP is writing herself this way for a reason. I think a lot of haters of the show aren’t getting that. I think maybe this is how she might have seen herself at one time? I just think a lot of people are missing the point of the show. I think Carrie’s character maybe how SJP imagined life was for young women in the “The City”. Remember SJP came from a very poor background.

You forget that SJP made public a lot of her begging Cattrall to come back, SJP made public her pettiness - it’s even right in the show there, where they totally torpedo the Samantha character as a mercenary, crap friend. It’s great that you think this is some masterstroke on SJP’s part to show Carrie as an unlikeable, whole character, but I think SJP’s just tipping her hand that she’s full of herself and thinks it’s cute.

+1

I was just about to write that SJP dictates that the writers portray Carrie as described above because she think it's so cute and quirky and "totally her, America's sweetheart! *squeal*".

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just over here wondering what’s going on with Miranda’s drinking.

Also Bigs secretary?

And liking the return of Susan Sharon

See, a few posts back a poster mentioned the flowers were a dig at Kim. I actually took Susan Sharon’s ranting and Carrie being confused as the real shade towards Kim. Anyone else?

Wait, what was the reason they had a falling out? I don’t remember the storyline and I didn’t even recognize the Sharon Susan character. Did it have something to do with Samantha?

Well I thought the conversation with Miranda and Carrie about how Samantha just thought of Carrie as an ATM and didn't talk to her or Charlotte after the falling out and that CB had reached out over and over to mend the fence was the shade at KC!

So maybe the whole first two episodes were filled with subtle shade at KC, making it all the less mysterious why she didn't come back!

it's kind of sad how obsessed they are with KC going her own way that they (probably like 90% SJP) feel the need to shade her for it. Sorry she didn't want to put up with your abuse on set and in her portrayals, guys! What a dummy, amiright?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just over here wondering what’s going on with Miranda’s drinking.

Also Bigs secretary?

And liking the return of Susan Sharon

See, a few posts back a poster mentioned the flowers were a dig at Kim. I actually took Susan Sharon’s ranting and Carrie being confused as the real shade towards Kim. Anyone else?

Wait, what was the reason they had a falling out? I don’t remember the storyline and I didn’t even recognize the Sharon Susan character. Did it have something to do with Samantha?

Well I thought the conversation with Miranda and Carrie about how Samantha just thought of Carrie as an ATM and didn't talk to her or Charlotte after the falling out and that CB had reached out over and over to mend the fence was the shade at KC!

So maybe the whole first two episodes were filled with subtle shade at KC, making it all the less mysterious why she didn't come back!

it's kind of sad how obsessed they are with KC going her own way that they (probably like 90% SJP) feel the need to shade her for it. Sorry she didn't want to put up with your abuse on set and in her portrayals, guys! What a dummy, amiright?

And then they went and proved Cattrall correct! I’m not watching any of this reboot, but I am loving reading this thread. It reminds me of How I Met Your Mother - it was an entertaining show that had built its own universe and a fan base (though HIMYM didn’t have the rabid fan base of SATC) that then undercut everything that had come before with its final season.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean... you all realize these aren't real people, right? The plan was to kill him off. Carrie could have called 911 and done CPR until the cows came home and the man would still be dead, because the writers wanted him dead. He could have stepped into an empty elevator shaft instead but the heart attack would provide a bit more drama. It's a TV show, not a PSA.

Obviously the plan was to kill him off. They could have done it far more believably and without making the main character look like a total nimrod if she had just come home to find him dead, or if the paramedics couldn’t save him. Way more effing beliveable.

Carrie IS a total nimrod.

One of the weirdest parts of SATC, and now AJLT, is that SJP is an executive producers, right? Doesn't that mean she has a say in how her character is written? Because Carrie groping Aidan and wailing "You have to forgive me!" Carrie feeling entitled to having someone else make the down payment on her apartment, Carrie not calling 911 -- that's not a realistic portrayal of someone with good and bad traits. That's a repellent nimrod.

+1 Yes, SJP is doing this to herself. And has been since season 3 I think.

You could tell SJP's influence because CB became more and more of a simpering, cutsey idiot. There was more cutting humour in the initial shows. CB became more self centered, more and more like a teenager and less likeable. Does SJP control the writing now because who is writing this drivel? They have to know it is drivel.

+1 She has total creative control plus Michael Patrick King is her disciple and does whatever she wants. I remember reading an interview with her way back about the infamous episode with Charlotte’s ring and the downpayment, and SJP so clearly did not get why everyone was so angry about Carrie’s behavior in that one.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean... you all realize these aren't real people, right? The plan was to kill him off. Carrie could have called 911 and done CPR until the cows came home and the man would still be dead, because the writers wanted him dead. He could have stepped into an empty elevator shaft instead but the heart attack would provide a bit more drama. It's a TV show, not a PSA.

Obviously the plan was to kill him off. They could have done it far more believably and without making the main character look like a total nimrod if she had just come home to find him dead, or if the paramedics couldn’t save him. Way more effing beliveable.

Carrie IS a total nimrod.

One of the weirdest parts of SATC, and now AJLT, is that SJP is an executive producers, right? Doesn't that mean she has a say in how her character is written? Because Carrie groping Aidan and wailing "You have to forgive me!" Carrie feeling entitled to having someone else make the down payment on her apartment, Carrie not calling 911 -- that's not a realistic portrayal of someone with good and bad traits. That's a repellent nimrod.

+1 Yes, SJP is doing this to herself. And has been since season 3 I think.

You could tell SJP's influence because CB became more and more of a simpering, cutsey idiot. There was more cutting humour in the initial shows. CB became more self centered, more and more like a teenager and less likeable. Does SJP control the writing now because who is writing this drivel? They have to know it is drivel.

+1 She has total creative control plus Michael Patrick King is her disciple and does whatever she wants. I remember reading an interview with her way back about the infamous episode with Charlotte’s ring and the downpayment, and SJP so clearly did not get why everyone was so angry about Carrie’s behavior in that one.

I would love to read that interview, PP, if you can find it!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean... you all realize these aren't real people, right? The plan was to kill him off. Carrie could have called 911 and done CPR until the cows came home and the man would still be dead, because the writers wanted him dead. He could have stepped into an empty elevator shaft instead but the heart attack would provide a bit more drama. It's a TV show, not a PSA.

Obviously the plan was to kill him off. They could have done it far more believably and without making the main character look like a total nimrod if she had just come home to find him dead, or if the paramedics couldn’t save him. Way more effing beliveable.

Carrie IS a total nimrod.

One of the weirdest parts of SATC, and now AJLT, is that SJP is an executive producers, right? Doesn't that mean she has a say in how her character is written? Because Carrie groping Aidan and wailing "You have to forgive me!" Carrie feeling entitled to having someone else make the down payment on her apartment, Carrie not calling 911 -- that's not a realistic portrayal of someone with good and bad traits. That's a repellent nimrod.

+1 Yes, SJP is doing this to herself. And has been since season 3 I think.

You could tell SJP's influence because CB became more and more of a simpering, cutsey idiot. There was more cutting humour in the initial shows. CB became more self centered, more and more like a teenager and less likeable. Does SJP control the writing now because who is writing this drivel? They have to know it is drivel.

+1 She has total creative control plus Michael Patrick King is her disciple and does whatever she wants. I remember reading an interview with her way back about the infamous episode with Charlotte’s ring and the downpayment, and SJP so clearly did not get why everyone was so angry about Carrie’s behavior in that one.

I would love to read that interview, PP, if you can find it!

I looked and I can’t!
But this piece about Carrie in the reboot In particular is interesting; it suggests thinking of her as an antihero ala Tony Soprano.
https://www.vox.com/2021/12/9/22825492/carrie-bradshaw-satc-main-character-syndrome

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m just over here wondering what’s going on with Miranda’s drinking.

Also Bigs secretary?

And liking the return of Susan Sharon

See, a few posts back a poster mentioned the flowers were a dig at Kim. I actually took Susan Sharon’s ranting and Carrie being confused as the real shade towards Kim. Anyone else?

Wait, what was the reason they had a falling out? I don’t remember the storyline and I didn’t even recognize the Sharon Susan character. Did it have something to do with Samantha?

Well I thought the conversation with Miranda and Carrie about how Samantha just thought of Carrie as an ATM and didn't talk to her or Charlotte after the falling out and that CB had reached out over and over to mend the fence was the shade at KC!

So maybe the whole first two episodes were filled with subtle shade at KC, making it all the less mysterious why she didn't come back!

it's kind of sad how obsessed they are with KC going her own way that they (probably like 90% SJP) feel the need to shade her for it. Sorry she didn't want to put up with your abuse on set and in her portrayals, guys! What a dummy, amiright?

Yup. They idolize SJP. She was mean to Kim. SJP is so self centered. Me, Me, Me.

Team Kim Cattrall, here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m just over here wondering what’s going on with Miranda’s drinking.

Also Bigs secretary?

And liking the return of Susan Sharon

See, a few posts back a poster mentioned the flowers were a dig at Kim. I actually took Susan Sharon’s ranting and Carrie being confused as the real shade towards Kim. Anyone else?

Wait, what was the reason they had a falling out? I don’t remember the storyline and I didn’t even recognize the Sharon Susan character. Did it have something to do with Samantha?

Well I thought the conversation with Miranda and Carrie about how Samantha just thought of Carrie as an ATM and didn't talk to her or Charlotte after the falling out and that CB had reached out over and over to mend the fence was the shade at KC!

So maybe the whole first two episodes were filled with subtle shade at KC, making it all the less mysterious why she didn't come back!

it's kind of sad how obsessed they are with KC going her own way that they (probably like 90% SJP) feel the need to shade her for it. Sorry she didn't want to put up with your abuse on set and in her portrayals, guys! What a dummy, amiright?

Yup. They idolize SJP. She was mean to Kim. SJP is so self centered. Me, Me, Me.

Team Kim Cattrall, here.

So everyone was mean to Kim Cattrall but she didn’t contribute to not being liked? The saying on DCUM is if everyone has a problem with you maybe look inward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean... you all realize these aren't real people, right? The plan was to kill him off. Carrie could have called 911 and done CPR until the cows came home and the man would still be dead, because the writers wanted him dead. He could have stepped into an empty elevator shaft instead but the heart attack would provide a bit more drama. It's a TV show, not a PSA.

I actually don’t think the angry posters realize this.

I see pretty clearly who isn't getting things.

Yeah. The person trying to make a purely fictional show meant for entertainment into reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m just over here wondering what’s going on with Miranda’s drinking.

Also Bigs secretary?

And liking the return of Susan Sharon

See, a few posts back a poster mentioned the flowers were a dig at Kim. I actually took Susan Sharon’s ranting and Carrie being confused as the real shade towards Kim. Anyone else?

Wait, what was the reason they had a falling out? I don’t remember the storyline and I didn’t even recognize the Sharon Susan character. Did it have something to do with Samantha?

Well I thought the conversation with Miranda and Carrie about how Samantha just thought of Carrie as an ATM and didn't talk to her or Charlotte after the falling out and that CB had reached out over and over to mend the fence was the shade at KC!

So maybe the whole first two episodes were filled with subtle shade at KC, making it all the less mysterious why she didn't come back!

it's kind of sad how obsessed they are with KC going her own way that they (probably like 90% SJP) feel the need to shade her for it. Sorry she didn't want to put up with your abuse on set and in her portrayals, guys! What a dummy, amiright?

Yup. They idolize SJP. She was mean to Kim. SJP is so self centered. Me, Me, Me.

Team Kim Cattrall, here.

So everyone was mean to Kim Cattrall but she didn’t contribute to not being liked? The saying on DCUM is if everyone has a problem with you maybe look inward.

When the Queen Bee bullies someone, everyone else does too. It's a common phenomenon.