ROSA legends? What happened?

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Anonymous wrote:The same guy that is a great coach that brought 90% of the boys to the program is moving to another league that aligns better to his vision (which is actually focused on child development and the love for soccer). So what???

Because the potomac players who have been there for years were looked over by the new kids. So, large droves of kids in PSA were not asked back so let me it's about the kids?

Everyone is only looking at for their best interests. If both Potomac and ROSA knew about this, why wait until the last moment to announce and not provide all kids the chance to make the best decisions.

PSA would definitely want to wait until the last minute on demoting current kids so kids can't make decisions on leaving until it is too late, aka after most other programs tryouts. This is a good way to build team depth for one season but don't be surprised if a bunch leave mid next year or after next year.

Does beg the question (which I don't have any inside info.) on when and how negotiations with Coach and PSA started and did they start with the outgoing PSA boys lead? Curious on how the sausage is made but can't imagine it will go public.

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Anonymous wrote:The same guy that is a great coach that brought 90% of the boys to the program is moving to another league that aligns better to his vision (which is actually focused on child development and the love for soccer). So what???

I believe this is called 'Spin' in the world of politics

You're saying this is the proper way to do such a move?

If having coaches, families and players remain loyal to an organization that doesn't stand by their mission then yes, a move is needed. I don't have the background of the disagreements behind the scenes to say this was or wasn't "the proper way to do such a move". Sure, all the adults could taken more professional actions. My only and main point here is, don't let these actions impact the kids. Was it a rule or law that mandated the director to forfeit these kids from the tournament?? It was out of spite, period. And a disgraceful action on her part.

What about the coach who took whole teams to tryout at another club with the intent of leaving current club to join new club and taking them with him?
Ethical?

I'm not aware of any of the kids actively trying out at other clubs until these changes were announced. All the kids were committed to ending this season and these actions by all of the leaders truly came as a surprise to everyone. All families had to make very tough, unplanned decisions these epast few weeks. I was unaware these contracts are longer than 10 months, any family has the right to switch leagues in the Fall, no? And if the league they are playing on no longer commits to their values then why wouldn't families want to follow a coach that does....after the season ends though, right? The children weren't given that opportunity to finish due to a very poor decision.

Families that knew were already trying out for other clubs before the changes were announced. They had a head start on all the other families that didn't know. ROSA coach also made sure a lot families had spots secured with Potomac. Tryouts were just a formality.

Yes shiny new toys. Potomac Club tryouts were a charade with 100 kids vying for a few slots since the ECNL teams were made up in April (with rosa kids) and the rest of the kids were looked over in favor of incoming rosa kids. All fake smiles and appearing any kid had a chance.. Such a disgrace to see kids out there giving it their best shot and in reality, Potomac was just looking for a few standouts

shou
So you want to put a kid on a team just because even though they may not get playing time because they're not good enough? Shouldn't Potomac just take the best of the best and the rest play with ROSA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The same guy that is a great coach that brought 90% of the boys to the program is moving to another league that aligns better to his vision (which is actually focused on child development and the love for soccer). So what???

I believe this is called 'Spin' in the world of politics

You're saying this is the proper way to do such a move?

If having coaches, families and players remain loyal to an organization that doesn't stand by their mission then yes, a move is needed. I don't have the background of the disagreements behind the scenes to say this was or wasn't "the proper way to do such a move". Sure, all the adults could taken more professional actions. My only and main point here is, don't let these actions impact the kids. Was it a rule or law that mandated the director to forfeit these kids from the tournament?? It was out of spite, period. And a disgraceful action on her part.

What about the coach who took whole teams to tryout at another club with the intent of leaving current club to join new club and taking them with him?
Ethical?

I'm not aware of any of the kids actively trying out at other clubs until these changes were announced. All the kids were committed to ending this season and these actions by all of the leaders truly came as a surprise to everyone. All families had to make very tough, unplanned decisions these epast few weeks. I was unaware these contracts are longer than 10 months, any family has the right to switch leagues in the Fall, no? And if the league they are playing on no longer commits to their values then why wouldn't families want to follow a coach that does....after the season ends though, right? The children weren't given that opportunity to finish due to a very poor decision.

Families that knew were already trying out for other clubs before the changes were announced. They had a head start on all the other families that didn't know. ROSA coach also made sure a lot families had spots secured with Potomac. Tryouts were just a formality.

Yes shiny new toys. Potomac Club tryouts were a charade with 100 kids vying for a few slots since the ECNL teams were made up in April (with rosa kids) and the rest of the kids were looked over in favor of incoming rosa kids. All fake smiles and appearing any kid had a chance.. Such a disgrace to see kids out there giving it their best shot and in reality, Potomac was just looking for a few standouts

I heard a bunch of Rosa players didn’t make the cut for ECNL/RL and were tossed aside. Sounds like what happened to some existing Potomac players. But what about all the 2016, 2015 and 2014 Rosa players who didn’t even have to tryout? Entire teams are joining with the two Rosa coaches. I bet they’re getting bonuses for every kid they bring over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same guy that is a great coach that brought 90% of the boys to the program is moving to another league that aligns better to his vision (which is actually focused on child development and the love for soccer). So what???

I believe this is called 'Spin' in the world of politics

You're saying this is the proper way to do such a move?

If having coaches, families and players remain loyal to an organization that doesn't stand by their mission then yes, a move is needed. I don't have the background of the disagreements behind the scenes to say this was or wasn't "the proper way to do such a move". Sure, all the adults could taken more professional actions. My only and main point here is, don't let these actions impact the kids. Was it a rule or law that mandated the director to forfeit these kids from the tournament?? It was out of spite, period. And a disgraceful action on her part.

What about the coach who took whole teams to tryout at another club with the intent of leaving current club to join new club and taking them with him?
Ethical?

I'm not aware of any of the kids actively trying out at other clubs until these changes were announced. All the kids were committed to ending this season and these actions by all of the leaders truly came as a surprise to everyone. All families had to make very tough, unplanned decisions these epast few weeks. I was unaware these contracts are longer than 10 months, any family has the right to switch leagues in the Fall, no? And if the league they are playing on no longer commits to their values then why wouldn't families want to follow a coach that does....after the season ends though, right? The children weren't given that opportunity to finish due to a very poor decision.

Families that knew were already trying out for other clubs before the changes were announced. They had a head start on all the other families that didn't know. ROSA coach also made sure a lot families had spots secured with Potomac. Tryouts were just a formality.

Yes shiny new toys. Potomac Club tryouts were a charade with 100 kids vying for a few slots since the ECNL teams were made up in April (with rosa kids) and the rest of the kids were looked over in favor of incoming rosa kids. All fake smiles and appearing any kid had a chance.. Such a disgrace to see kids out there giving it their best shot and in reality, Potomac was just looking for a few standouts

I heard a bunch of Rosa players didn’t make the cut for ECNL/RL and were tossed aside. Sounds like what happened to some existing Potomac players. But what about all the 2016, 2015 and 2014 Rosa players who didn’t even have to tryout? Entire teams are joining with the two Rosa coaches. I bet they’re getting bonuses for every kid they bring over.

From what I’ve heard 2014-2016 ROSA teams are not disturbing the structure of the existing Potomac teams in that age group. Older ages are more competitive everywhere and kids get cut at every club. It’s an unfortunate reality

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same guy that is a great coach that brought 90% of the boys to the program is moving to another league that aligns better to his vision (which is actually focused on child development and the love for soccer). So what???

I believe this is called 'Spin' in the world of politics

You're saying this is the proper way to do such a move?

If having coaches, families and players remain loyal to an organization that doesn't stand by their mission then yes, a move is needed. I don't have the background of the disagreements behind the scenes to say this was or wasn't "the proper way to do such a move". Sure, all the adults could taken more professional actions. My only and main point here is, don't let these actions impact the kids. Was it a rule or law that mandated the director to forfeit these kids from the tournament?? It was out of spite, period. And a disgraceful action on her part.

What about the coach who took whole teams to tryout at another club with the intent of leaving current club to join new club and taking them with him?
Ethical?

I'm not aware of any of the kids actively trying out at other clubs until these changes were announced. All the kids were committed to ending this season and these actions by all of the leaders truly came as a surprise to everyone. All families had to make very tough, unplanned decisions these epast few weeks. I was unaware these contracts are longer than 10 months, any family has the right to switch leagues in the Fall, no? And if the league they are playing on no longer commits to their values then why wouldn't families want to follow a coach that does....after the season ends though, right? The children weren't given that opportunity to finish due to a very poor decision.

Families that knew were already trying out for other clubs before the changes were announced. They had a head start on all the other families that didn't know. ROSA coach also made sure a lot families had spots secured with Potomac. Tryouts were just a formality.

Yes shiny new toys. Potomac Club tryouts were a charade with 100 kids vying for a few slots since the ECNL teams were made up in April (with rosa kids) and the rest of the kids were looked over in favor of incoming rosa kids. All fake smiles and appearing any kid had a chance.. Such a disgrace to see kids out there giving it their best shot and in reality, Potomac was just looking for a few standouts

Hate to break it to you but this is most ECNL/MLSN tryouts. The real action is beforehand and they really are just looking for standouts. And they didn’t do very well in ECNL and need to aggressively to try improve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same guy that is a great coach that brought 90% of the boys to the program is moving to another league that aligns better to his vision (which is actually focused on child development and the love for soccer). So what???

I believe this is called 'Spin' in the world of politics

You're saying this is the proper way to do such a move?

If having coaches, families and players remain loyal to an organization that doesn't stand by their mission then yes, a move is needed. I don't have the background of the disagreements behind the scenes to say this was or wasn't "the proper way to do such a move". Sure, all the adults could taken more professional actions. My only and main point here is, don't let these actions impact the kids. Was it a rule or law that mandated the director to forfeit these kids from the tournament?? It was out of spite, period. And a disgraceful action on her part.

What about the coach who took whole teams to tryout at another club with the intent of leaving current club to join new club and taking them with him?
Ethical?

I'm not aware of any of the kids actively trying out at other clubs until these changes were announced. All the kids were committed to ending this season and these actions by all of the leaders truly came as a surprise to everyone. All families had to make very tough, unplanned decisions these epast few weeks. I was unaware these contracts are longer than 10 months, any family has the right to switch leagues in the Fall, no? And if the league they are playing on no longer commits to their values then why wouldn't families want to follow a coach that does....after the season ends though, right? The children weren't given that opportunity to finish due to a very poor decision.

Families that knew were already trying out for other clubs before the changes were announced. They had a head start on all the other families that didn't know. ROSA coach also made sure a lot families had spots secured with Potomac. Tryouts were just a formality.

Yes shiny new toys. Potomac Club tryouts were a charade with 100 kids vying for a few slots since the ECNL teams were made up in April (with rosa kids) and the rest of the kids were looked over in favor of incoming rosa kids. All fake smiles and appearing any kid had a chance.. Such a disgrace to see kids out there giving it their best shot and in reality, Potomac was just looking for a few standouts

shou
So you want to put a kid on a team just because even though they may not get playing time because they're not good enough? Shouldn't Potomac just take the best of the best and the rest play with ROSA?

Yes, but the point was, tryouts were a charade because this was all pre arranged with promised positions in PSA long before the general tryouts happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same guy that is a great coach that brought 90% of the boys to the program is moving to another league that aligns better to his vision (which is actually focused on child development and the love for soccer). So what???

I believe this is called 'Spin' in the world of politics

You're saying this is the proper way to do such a move?

If having coaches, families and players remain loyal to an organization that doesn't stand by their mission then yes, a move is needed. I don't have the background of the disagreements behind the scenes to say this was or wasn't "the proper way to do such a move". Sure, all the adults could taken more professional actions. My only and main point here is, don't let these actions impact the kids. Was it a rule or law that mandated the director to forfeit these kids from the tournament?? It was out of spite, period. And a disgraceful action on her part.

What about the coach who took whole teams to tryout at another club with the intent of leaving current club to join new club and taking them with him?
Ethical?

I'm not aware of any of the kids actively trying out at other clubs until these changes were announced. All the kids were committed to ending this season and these actions by all of the leaders truly came as a surprise to everyone. All families had to make very tough, unplanned decisions these epast few weeks. I was unaware these contracts are longer than 10 months, any family has the right to switch leagues in the Fall, no? And if the league they are playing on no longer commits to their values then why wouldn't families want to follow a coach that does....after the season ends though, right? The children weren't given that opportunity to finish due to a very poor decision.

Families that knew were already trying out for other clubs before the changes were announced. They had a head start on all the other families that didn't know. ROSA coach also made sure a lot families had spots secured with Potomac. Tryouts were just a formality.

Yes shiny new toys. Potomac Club tryouts were a charade with 100 kids vying for a few slots since the ECNL teams were made up in April (with rosa kids) and the rest of the kids were looked over in favor of incoming rosa kids. All fake smiles and appearing any kid had a chance.. Such a disgrace to see kids out there giving it their best shot and in reality, Potomac was just looking for a few standouts

Hate to break it to you but this is most ECNL/MLSN tryouts. The real action is beforehand and they really are just looking for standouts. And they didn’t do very well in ECNL and need to aggressively to try improve.

There is truth here which begs the question of how they evaluate for ECNL. Last seasons ID sessions were numerous and spanned for a long time and there is no doubt talent showed up with their new found ECNL badge. I don't think the age group director really knows what to look for. The ECNL teams were terrible and I understand these take time to to come to frutiion, but some teams were clearly not at ecnl level

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same guy that is a great coach that brought 90% of the boys to the program is moving to another league that aligns better to his vision (which is actually focused on child development and the love for soccer). So what???

I believe this is called 'Spin' in the world of politics

You're saying this is the proper way to do such a move?

If having coaches, families and players remain loyal to an organization that doesn't stand by their mission then yes, a move is needed. I don't have the background of the disagreements behind the scenes to say this was or wasn't "the proper way to do such a move". Sure, all the adults could taken more professional actions. My only and main point here is, don't let these actions impact the kids. Was it a rule or law that mandated the director to forfeit these kids from the tournament?? It was out of spite, period. And a disgraceful action on her part.

What about the coach who took whole teams to tryout at another club with the intent of leaving current club to join new club and taking them with him?
Ethical?

I'm not aware of any of the kids actively trying out at other clubs until these changes were announced. All the kids were committed to ending this season and these actions by all of the leaders truly came as a surprise to everyone. All families had to make very tough, unplanned decisions these epast few weeks. I was unaware these contracts are longer than 10 months, any family has the right to switch leagues in the Fall, no? And if the league they are playing on no longer commits to their values then why wouldn't families want to follow a coach that does....after the season ends though, right? The children weren't given that opportunity to finish due to a very poor decision.

Families that knew were already trying out for other clubs before the changes were announced. They had a head start on all the other families that didn't know. ROSA coach also made sure a lot families had spots secured with Potomac. Tryouts were just a formality.

Yes shiny new toys. Potomac Club tryouts were a charade with 100 kids vying for a few slots since the ECNL teams were made up in April (with rosa kids) and the rest of the kids were looked over in favor of incoming rosa kids. All fake smiles and appearing any kid had a chance.. Such a disgrace to see kids out there giving it their best shot and in reality, Potomac was just looking for a few standouts

Who would have known back room deals and agreements were pre-arranged with slots promised could happen at a non profit who's about youth sports?

[Anonymous]

When you don't know how to evaluate talent just take in another club.

[Anonymous]

"From what I’ve heard 2014-2016 ROSA teams are not disturbing the structure of the existing Potomac teams in that age group. Older ages are more competitive everywhere and kids get cut at every club. It’s an unfortunate reality

This is correct. At least for the 2014s. Two fulll Rosa teams were added, but the 4 current Potomac teams remain unchanged. These 2 Rosa teams will continue practicing in the same field they did with Rosa previously and with the same coach. The only change will be the jersey. Its almost like a sub-camp that has very contact with the Potomac universe.

[Anonymous]

Meant to say: very little contact with the Potomac universe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meant to say: very little contact with the Potomac universe.

You don’t know Potomac Soccer very well do you?

[Anonymous]

Did ROSA have teams past 2010 (ie 2008, 2009)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fairly certain Potomac has rules or contract provisions against this type of thing, so I doubt this coach/director will pull this maneuver again. Not a good look though for him. Also there is no way that all these players (and certainly not the coaches) are going to the ECNL or RL teams. Are they the new C or D teams?

Note that FTC outlawed non compete agreements (but lawsuits ironing the details remain) recently so an "influential" coach could get a nice a bonus for leaving a program and taking players with them. Everybody is really a free agent.

For non-profit organizations? I know non-competes are illegal for for-profit companies, just not sure how it works in the non-profit world.

[Anonymous]

Looks like a few rosa players moved across to mainly the EDP rosters at Potomac, not seeing any in the ECNL teams where my sons play. It makes sense to keep those younger players together before the madness of the competitive older ages. Good luck everyone wherever you play next season!