No more OT

[Anonymous]

Look for another position or ask if they can hire another nanny for 35 hours a week.

[Anonymous]

If the first expense you have to cut is your nanny. you couldn!t afford to have a nanny. In fact, it was irresponsible to have a child you can't afford.

[Anonymous]

OP, are your hours guaranteed, such that you get paid for 65 hours a week 52 weeks a year? If so, I am not surprised that the parents are reluctant to continue paying OT rates for 25 hours per week. That's a lot of OT, and very few parents would be comfortable paying it.

I know some people who need care for comparable hours who have two nannies to avoid paying OT and others who pay the same hourly rate for each of the 60-65 hours. The latter scenario is perfectly legal if papered down properly, such that the $15 average rate is specified to break down to a base rate of below $15 and a OT rate of above $15. Sorry, but I don't have a calculator handy with which to work out the specific numbers for you.

In any case, you are being asked to take a pay cut and it is perfectly reasonable for you to decline and either ask that they cut your hours to 40 or simply look for another job. You could also ask that they raise your average rate so that you are still taking a pay cut, but to something less than what you'd take under the scenario they've proposed.

Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MB here. The economy tanking is starting to hit middle class and upper class families. Whether you care about that or not, it's going to start affecting nanny wages. I don't know if you're sympathetic to that or not, but whatever the case, I suggest you do yourself and the family a good deed and just find another position. Rather than demonize the family- it's always just better to walk away to a more suitable situation. Unless the family all of sudden turned into mean and selfish people, they are not happy about being unable to afford you. I love my nanny like family and always make sure she is paid- even before my other bills. My situation has fluctuated, but I've always put my nanny's pay first. If I had to cut her wage, it would kill me. But, I would understand if that ever happened and she needed to find another position, I would completely be in support of her. She needs to feed her family too. Sometimes I think nanny's don't get that MBs have hard times too.

And just who do you think its been hitting for the last 5 years???? Sorry, I don't know about OP, but I'm not all that sympathetic that a few stinky rich MBs suddenly can't afford their luxuries. The lower middle class, lower class have been STRUGGLING, out of work, losing homes, etc. So you can't afford a nanny anymore, boo freakin hoo. Put your kid in daycare like the rest of us, and maybe only take one luxury vacation this year.

Wow! You're nasty and bitter. I hope you're not a nanny and if you are God help those children. You are clearly dense as well. Try watching the news once in a while instead of spewing your rage. If you better directed your attention you'd know that the economy is tanking and that many companies are furloughing employees or freezing new hires. So many people cannot afford their childcare. If you weren't such a stupid and jealous bitch you would know that. Secondly, many regular people use nannies, but too bad they may get someone evil like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MB here. The economy tanking is starting to hit middle class and upper class families. Whether you care about that or not, it's going to start affecting nanny wages. I don't know if you're sympathetic to that or not, but whatever the case, I suggest you do yourself and the family a good deed and just find another position. Rather than demonize the family- it's always just better to walk away to a more suitable situation. Unless the family all of sudden turned into mean and selfish people, they are not happy about being unable to afford you. I love my nanny like family and always make sure she is paid- even before my other bills. My situation has fluctuated, but I've always put my nanny's pay first. If I had to cut her wage, it would kill me. But, I would understand if that ever happened and she needed to find another position, I would completely be in support of her. She needs to feed her family too. Sometimes I think nanny's don't get that MBs have hard times too.

And just who do you think its been hitting for the last 5 years???? Sorry, I don't know about OP, but I'm not all that sympathetic that a few stinky rich MBs suddenly can't afford their luxuries. The lower middle class, lower class have been STRUGGLING, out of work, losing homes, etc. So you can't afford a nanny anymore, boo freakin hoo. Put your kid in daycare like the rest of us, and maybe only take one luxury vacation this year.

Wow! You're nasty and bitter. I hope you're not a nanny and if you are God help those children. You are clearly dense as well. Try watching the news once in a while instead of spewing your rage. If you better directed your attention you'd know that the economy is tanking and that many companies are furloughing employees or freezing new hires. So many people cannot afford their childcare. If you weren't such a stupid and jealous bitch you would know that. Secondly, many regular people use nannies, but too bad they may get someone evil like you.

Not evil, I just don't have much tolerance for well off people complaining that they have it bad and having the nerve to expect a nanny to be sympathetic. We see time and time again in debates about living wages, minimum wage, etc. on this board that MBs don't give a rats ass about how well their nanny survives on her wages or if she even can. Then you have the freakin audacity to expect the nanny's sympathy when you decide to cut her pay and avoid paying rightly deserved OT, because you're "having a hard time". Just what exactly is so hard about it pray tell? You can't afford the most expensive form of childcare??? And your nanny should be sympathetic? Give me a f#cking break.

[Anonymous]

7:34 - how did you get from the OP's post anything about why or how the employers presented the deal? I don't see any rich people on this thread complaining that they have a bad deal and expecting a nanny to be sympathetic. I see people agreeing that there are a lot of families that have fallen on hard times. And most (all?) of those people have told the nanny that obviously it's time to move on. No one has said "nanny, I'm sure they have just had a hard year and don't want to cut back on their month-long summer cruise - why don't you just suck it up for a while?"

You are way wound up about this. You have no idea what's going on with the OP's employers or why they decided to present her with this new deal or how they acted or how they will act when she tells them she can't take the cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MB here. The economy tanking is starting to hit middle class and upper class families. Whether you care about that or not, it's going to start affecting nanny wages. I don't know if you're sympathetic to that or not, but whatever the case, I suggest you do yourself and the family a good deed and just find another position. Rather than demonize the family- it's always just better to walk away to a more suitable situation. Unless the family all of sudden turned into mean and selfish people, they are not happy about being unable to afford you. I love my nanny like family and always make sure she is paid- even before my other bills. My situation has fluctuated, but I've always put my nanny's pay first. If I had to cut her wage, it would kill me. But, I would understand if that ever happened and she needed to find another position, I would completely be in support of her. She needs to feed her family too. Sometimes I think nanny's don't get that MBs have hard times too.

And just who do you think its been hitting for the last 5 years???? Sorry, I don't know about OP, but I'm not all that sympathetic that a few stinky rich MBs suddenly can't afford their luxuries. The lower middle class, lower class have been STRUGGLING, out of work, losing homes, etc. So you can't afford a nanny anymore, boo freakin hoo. Put your kid in daycare like the rest of us, and maybe only take one luxury vacation this year.

Wow! You're nasty and bitter. I hope you're not a nanny and if you are God help those children. You are clearly dense as well. Try watching the news once in a while instead of spewing your rage. If you better directed your attention you'd know that the economy is tanking and that many companies are furloughing employees or freezing new hires. So many people cannot afford their childcare. If you weren't such a stupid and jealous bitch you would know that. Secondly, many regular people use nannies, but too bad they may get someone evil like you.

Not evil, I just don't have much tolerance for well off people complaining that they have it bad and having the nerve to expect a nanny to be sympathetic. We see time and time again in debates about living wages, minimum wage, etc. on this board that MBs don't give a rats ass about how well their nanny survives on her wages or if she even can. Then you have the freakin audacity to expect the nanny's sympathy when you decide to cut her pay and avoid paying rightly deserved OT, because you're "having a hard time". Just what exactly is so hard about it pray tell? You can't afford the most expensive form of childcare??? And your nanny should be sympathetic? Give me a f#cking break.

You're a hateful bitch who wants to take our her poor decision making in becoming a nanny and not bettering herself on families who need childcare. I'm just sorry you get to spew out your ranting on an anonymous board while pretending to be a decent human being to trusting families. My prayers are with them and their families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MB here. The economy tanking is starting to hit middle class and upper class families. Whether you care about that or not, it's going to start affecting nanny wages. I don't know if you're sympathetic to that or not, but whatever the case, I suggest you do yourself and the family a good deed and just find another position. Rather than demonize the family- it's always just better to walk away to a more suitable situation. Unless the family all of sudden turned into mean and selfish people, they are not happy about being unable to afford you. I love my nanny like family and always make sure she is paid- even before my other bills. My situation has fluctuated, but I've always put my nanny's pay first. If I had to cut her wage, it would kill me. But, I would understand if that ever happened and she needed to find another position, I would completely be in support of her. She needs to feed her family too. Sometimes I think nanny's don't get that MBs have hard times too.

And just who do you think its been hitting for the last 5 years???? Sorry, I don't know about OP, but I'm not all that sympathetic that a few stinky rich MBs suddenly can't afford their luxuries. The lower middle class, lower class have been STRUGGLING, out of work, losing homes, etc. So you can't afford a nanny anymore, boo freakin hoo. Put your kid in daycare like the rest of us, and maybe only take one luxury vacation this year.

Wow! You're nasty and bitter. I hope you're not a nanny and if you are God help those children. You are clearly dense as well. Try watching the news once in a while instead of spewing your rage. If you better directed your attention you'd know that the economy is tanking and that many companies are furloughing employees or freezing new hires. So many people cannot afford their childcare. If you weren't such a stupid and jealous bitch you would know that. Secondly, many regular people use nannies, but too bad they may get someone evil like you.

Not evil, I just don't have much tolerance for well off people complaining that they have it bad and having the nerve to expect a nanny to be sympathetic. We see time and time again in debates about living wages, minimum wage, etc. on this board that MBs don't give a rats ass about how well their nanny survives on her wages or if she even can. Then you have the freakin audacity to expect the nanny's sympathy when you decide to cut her pay and avoid paying rightly deserved OT, because you're "having a hard time". Just what exactly is so hard about it pray tell? You can't afford the most expensive form of childcare??? And your nanny should be sympathetic? Give me a f#cking break.

You're a hateful bitch who wants to take our her poor decision making in becoming a nanny and not bettering herself on families who need childcare. I'm just sorry you get to spew out your ranting on an anonymous board while pretending to be a decent human being to trusting families. My prayers are with them and their families.

Right. I'm a hateful evil bitch because you don't like what I have to say, but you call me names in anger and in the next breath claim to "pray" for the families I work for.

[Anonymous]

Look- basically your family has decided that they would like to change the payment arrangement. Instead of firing you, they have simply asked if you would like to take the job with their new salary. It isn't evil or mean or cheap. If you WOULD like the new job, ok- it stinks, but sometime that is just how it goes. If not, I am sure that there is someone else out there that would be HAPPY for the new job. I have a nanny- my husband and I work very hard-- we work different hours so that we can only have our nanny for the fewest hours possible. I stay home late in the morning, he comes home early after getting to work at the crack of dawn. We have old cars so that we can pay our nanny to give our sons individualized attention. The economy is not good and many are enduring salary cuts, that is just how it is. There is no reason to call everyone who hires a nanny rich, lazy and cheap.

[Anonymous]

I agree that this is basically a right of first refusal offer. The employer is under no obligation to keep you employed at the same rate if there needs change or if less expensive childcare is available to them.

$15 base for a 65 hour job is at the higher end of the scale. Most nannies don't make over 1000 a week. The family would have no problem finding someone to acceptable $15 average ($12-$13 base). They may have fewer candidates looking for 65 hours a week but there are plenty of nannies already working 50-60 hours and then commuting on top of it. If they replaced you with a live in they could end up paying even less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
MB here. The economy tanking is starting to hit middle class and upper class families. Whether you care about that or not, it's going to start affecting nanny wages. I don't know if you're sympathetic to that or not, but whatever the case, I suggest you do yourself and the family a good deed and just find another position. Rather than demonize the family- it's always just better to walk away to a more suitable situation. Unless the family all of sudden turned into mean and selfish people, they are not happy about being unable to afford you. I love my nanny like family and always make sure she is paid- even before my other bills. My situation has fluctuated, but I've always put my nanny's pay first. If I had to cut her wage, it would kill me. But, I would understand if that ever happened and she needed to find another position, I would completely be in support of her. She needs to feed her family too. Sometimes I think nanny's don't get that MBs have hard times too.


And just who do you think its been hitting for the last 5 years???? Sorry, I don't know about OP, but I'm not all that sympathetic that a few stinky rich MBs suddenly can't afford their luxuries. The lower middle class, lower class have been STRUGGLING, out of work, losing homes, etc. So you can't afford a nanny anymore, boo freakin hoo. Put your kid in daycare like the rest of us, and maybe only take one luxury vacation this year.


Wow! You're nasty and bitter. I hope you're not a nanny and if you are God help those children. You are clearly dense as well. Try watching the news once in a while instead of spewing your rage. If you better directed your attention you'd know that the economy is tanking and that many companies are furloughing employees or freezing new hires. So many people cannot afford their childcare. If you weren't such a stupid and jealous bitch you would know that. Secondly, many regular people use nannies, but too bad they may get someone evil like you.


Not evil, I just don't have much tolerance for well off people complaining that they have it bad and having the nerve to expect a nanny to be sympathetic. We see time and time again in debates about living wages, minimum wage, etc. on this board that MBs don't give a rats ass about how well their nanny survives on her wages or if she even can. Then you have the freakin audacity to expect the nanny's sympathy when you decide to cut her pay and avoid paying rightly deserved OT, because you're "having a hard time". Just what exactly is so hard about it pray tell? You can't afford the most expensive form of childcare??? And your nanny should be sympathetic? Give me a f#cking break.

You may not be evil but clearly you have reading comprehension issues. The PP you are attacking didn't suggest the nanny should be sympathetic and take the new payment deal. She advised the nanny to get a new job.

Your rage has no place here.

[Anonymous]

I think the family should have presented it as a pay cut instead of coming across as trying to illegally avoid OT.
There is no benefit whatsoever to the nanny in accepting this position, they clearly want her to still pay taxes but avoid their own. I can understand not being able to afford your childcare any longer but $15 for three children is very low end.

OP come to Boston there are plenty of doctors and professors with secure stable positions that will gladly pay you $15 for one child. I work 53hr at $20 for two children, and these are middle class families paying (not upper middle).

[Anonymous]

As for if OP is underpaid-- remember that her charges are school age-- so she must be doing before school and after school duties with household responsibilites during the day- so 15 per hour isn't that bad.

[Anonymous]

I think the family should have presented it as a pay cut instead of coming across as trying to illegally avoid OT.
There is no benefit whatsoever to the nanny in accepting this position, they clearly want her to still pay taxes but avoid their own. I can understand not being able to afford your childcare any longer but $15 for three children is very low end.

I agree with you that the parents should have presented this as pay cut but disagree on the other points.

1. The nanny is being given right of first refusal. She may or may not find a job that pays 1000+ an hour, In this area those jobs are few and far between.
2. The kids are 4,6, and 8. These are school age kids so $15 average an hour is not on the low side. They can definitely find a cheaper nanny/housekeeper.
3. This has nothing to do with taxes. The employer and employee are still paying the same proportions of taxes. Taxes are based are on gross amounts for both employee and employer.

[Anonymous]

At ages 4,6, and 8 the needs are VERY different than say 1,3, and 5. Its possible that they are planning on having the 4 yr old go to preschool from 9-3 so the nanny would end up with 30 hours a week with no kids. I don't know any house that requires 30 hours of cleaning a week so it sounds like there is a good bit of downtime coming along.

With very young kids, toddlers and infants its the parents and nannies taking care of all their needs, planning their activities, and coming up with things to do. The 6 and 8 year old are making their own friends and into their own activities. They need a nanny who is more of a housekeeper, chauffeur, play date supervisor from a far, and homework supervisor not someone who is coming up with what to do everyday as she would with a 3yr old.

Its inevitable that this happens and most families just let the first nanny go. The OP is being given a transitional option. OP should be aware though that this is not going to be the last change. As the youngest gets even older, the needs will keep changing. If she wants a high paying job, she needs to start seeking a job with multiple infants again.