Washington lawyer accused of paying 15-year-old runaway for sex

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[Post New]08/25/2010 19:51
aprilmayjune
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According to the article, not only did they have sex, and pictures were taken, but this guy was stupid enough to email those pictures.... The whole thing was wrong.. Nothing about this was right.
[Post New]08/25/2010 20:01
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It does matter or it wouldn't have been mentioned.
That the salacious details of this Young Girl Gone Bad titillate a reporter or the general public doesn't move me. I see the core of this story as a well-off adult man who paid to have sex with a young runaway/prostitute because he could, because who cares about this girl, no one will care even if they find out. That she was a "slut" was just a convenient detail to him, but doesn't matter to me (and in a just world, won't matter to a jury/judge). If it had't been her, it would have been someone else.
[Post New]08/25/2010 20:05
Anonymous
Just so long as you understand the difference between what this grown girl did consensually and a small child who cannot speak/does not know about sex/does not realize they are innocent/etc etc.
[Post New]08/25/2010 20:16
aprilmayjune
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I definitely see that there is a difference, however, I also believe that what he did was also quite wrong.
[Post New]08/25/2010 20:21
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I guess you're not as "safe" from perverts or anything else even if you DO live in homes worth $1million+ neighborhood and with upper middle class white folks.
I like this one and it's a good lesson for people who think they are so rich,classy and snobs......Am so glad these things also happen in "their so called rich neighborhoods".....serves you all right!


You're glad that there's a one more child molester on the street just so it could be a good lesson to rich people?


Yeah, I think I get what she's saying - that this serves as a wakeup call that bad things can happen in "good neighborhoods," or that money doesn't shield people from doing bad things - but she definitely goes too far with "serves you all right." No neighborhood deserves a child molester.


I don't GET what she is saying. Why does she think people in these neighborhoods don't think anything bad happens to them or in their neighborhood. That simply isn't true for most people I know in my neighborhood. I don't live in a $1M house, but I assume it would be considered an upscale neighborhood. I, along with the neighbors I know, absolutely know that bad things can happen and look out for each other and themselves.

PP is kind of a bitch to act like she knows what everyone thinks and claim people in her self-described "rich" category are stupid. Karma's a bitch and I hope you get what you deserve. I may have some money but I protect my kids like a mama bear and always will.


Here is why I think people took note of this case. We either consciously or unconsciously assume that people who do really bad things are "different" from us. When we hear of someone, say the old guy who did the shooting at the holocaust museum, we file that away as old, racist nutjob going senile. Not us. We feel comfortably distant from some kid in a small drug gang (even though he may deal near our house). He's poor, from a broken family, etc. Not us. Chandra Levy accused killer? He's from another country, and he's got gang tatoos across his neck. Not us. But when someone who looks like us, went to college like us, works in our profession, shops for suits and ties like us does something that we think is really deviant, it causes us to confront the fact that people like us - even we ourselves - are capable of bad things. We realize that the line between good and bad is not all that wide. We want to know how a guy did something like that. I think it's exactly why this board got so busy with the LAX killer. The kid looks like a DCUM kid. I'm sure there are people familiar with the Stanford Prison experiment, and the Milgram Experiment. The lesson is that anyone is capable of evil. And that is uncomfortable. But it's good to recognize it.
[Post New]08/25/2010 21:11
Anonymous
I agree. I think that's also why so many PPs are fixated on this girl's sexual history. She wasn't a good girl, she was dirty and not like us.
[Post New]08/25/2010 21:23
Anonymous
Really? Because when I read it, the first thing I thought was, big firm big money asshole who thought he was entitled to do whatever he wants, no suprise.
[Post New]08/25/2010 22:43
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Even to describe this as "having sex" feels inaccurate. To me that implies two fully consenting participants. A 40yo man who pays to have sex with a 15yo prostitute doesn't meet that standard. Even if she told him she was 18, even if she told him she was 20 - still not okay. I cannot be convinced that this man thought his actions were all right. He knew what he was doing was wrong and didn't care.


Prostitution is illegal and a$---- is (soon to be disbarred) an attorney. He knows that what he is doing is illegal if female is 15, 18, 20, 58 or 100. Apparently, some people believe that child molesters live in slums and sneak around in the dark. Ha, Ha. I would bet that this isn't the first time this jerk has done something like this. I hope he has no daughters.


Do we know for certain that she didn't lie about her age? If she told him she was older why is it his fault that she was 15? I think it's wrong that he slept with her for money, and he certainly should not have been sleeping with a 15 year old, but did she lie about her age?
[Post New]08/25/2010 22:50
Anonymous
She isn't a slut and she isn't a whore. She is a mixed up 15 year old girl. Stop calling her names.
[Post New]08/25/2010 22:52
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Anonymous wrote:Even to describe this as "having sex" feels inaccurate. To me that implies two fully consenting participants. A 40yo man who pays to have sex with a 15yo prostitute doesn't meet that standard. Even if she told him she was 18, even if she told him she was 20 - still not okay. I cannot be convinced that this man thought his actions were all right. He knew what he was doing was wrong and didn't care.


Prostitution is illegal and a$---- is (soon to be disbarred) an attorney. He knows that what he is doing is illegal if female is 15, 18, 20, 58 or 100. Apparently, some people believe that child molesters live in slums and sneak around in the dark. Ha, Ha. I would bet that this isn't the first time this jerk has done something like this. I hope he has no daughters.


Do we know for certain that she didn't lie about her age? If she told him she was older why is it his fault that she was 15? I think it's wrong that he slept with her for money, and he certainly should not have been sleeping with a 15 year old, but did she lie about her age?


So if he thought she was 18 (and I strongly suspect he didn't ask or care either way), then what?
[Post New]08/26/2010 00:57
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Anonymous wrote:Even to describe this as "having sex" feels inaccurate. To me that implies two fully consenting participants. A 40yo man who pays to have sex with a 15yo prostitute doesn't meet that standard. Even if she told him she was 18, even if she told him she was 20 - still not okay. I cannot be convinced that this man thought his actions were all right. He knew what he was doing was wrong and didn't care.


Prostitution is illegal and a$---- is (soon to be disbarred) an attorney. He knows that what he is doing is illegal if female is 15, 18, 20, 58 or 100. Apparently, some people believe that child molesters live in slums and sneak around in the dark. Ha, Ha. I would bet that this isn't the first time this jerk has done something like this. I hope he has no daughters.


Do we know for certain that she didn't lie about her age? If she told him she was older why is it his fault that she was 15? I think it's wrong that he slept with her for money, and he certainly should not have been sleeping with a 15 year old, but did she lie about her age?


So if he thought she was 18 (and I strongly suspect he didn't ask or care either way), then what?


He is an attorney so he should know ignorance of the law is no excuse. What she told him is irrelevant--he paid to have sex with a minor, took photographs, and God only knows what else he did or has done to other 15 yr. old girls. The man is lower than pond scum. How can anyone one any redeeming quality in him, If he want to pay to have sex he should have gone to 14th stret and pickd up one of the street walkers.
[Post New]08/26/2010 08:17
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Even to describe this as "having sex" feels inaccurate. To me that implies two fully consenting participants. A 40yo man who pays to have sex with a 15yo prostitute doesn't meet that standard. Even if she told him she was 18, even if she told him she was 20 - still not okay. I cannot be convinced that this man thought his actions were all right. He knew what he was doing was wrong and didn't care.


Prostitution is illegal and a$---- is (soon to be disbarred) an attorney. He knows that what he is doing is illegal if female is 15, 18, 20, 58 or 100. Apparently, some people believe that child molesters live in slums and sneak around in the dark. Ha, Ha. I would bet that this isn't the first time this jerk has done something like this. I hope he has no daughters.


Do we know for certain that she didn't lie about her age? If she told him she was older why is it his fault that she was 15? I think it's wrong that he slept with her for money, and he certainly should not have been sleeping with a 15 year old, but did she lie about her age?


So if he thought she was 18 (and I strongly suspect he didn't ask or care either way), then what?


The law does not care whether he thought she was 18. If that doesn't sound fair, I'm pretty sure that the reason is because it was the universal excuse for people caught having sex with a minor "she looked 18 to me, your honor".
[Post New]08/26/2010 08:19
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:She isn't a slut and she isn't a whore. She is a mixed up 15 year old girl. Stop calling her names.


I'm not sure we know, but the point is that it does not matter. His crime is independent of the degree of her consent.
[Post New]08/26/2010 08:20
Anonymous
He is charged with child pornography, and he used a lot of bondage prop for the photos.
[Post New]08/26/2010 14:22
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He is charged with child pornography, and he used a lot of bondage prop for the photos.


Sounds like a relly great guy. Wonder what his "former" clients are thinking about his work. I also wonder what Managing partner is scurrying around to hush up all this bad publicity for A&P.
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