Military observations on Ukraine invasion
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BlueFredneck
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Yes, we're theorizing on a discussion board. Some folks here might have military experience on a relevant level, and others might at least be educated laymen. What's your point in trying to squelch a discussion that has been largely polite and informative? I will say this. If the cyber front has some sysadmins and firewall admins flip, Russia's networks can be rekt. |
Anonymous
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So much false info out there.
All Russian tanks are vulnerable to Molotov cocktails, if hit with enough of them. This renders Ukrainian cities off limits to tanks. What army units are trained and authorized to use Molotov cocktails? NONE. They are purely a partisan weapon. But that tells you something: EVERYONE left in Ukraine will fight. Not only Ukrainians: foreign anti-Russian fighters are pouring into Ukraine by the hour. Experienced combat vets from all over. So will they have weapons to fight with? No doubt. Neutral Sweden, Finland, the Baltic states, Spain, and many other countries have supplied advanced, Western, weapons - including advanced Western anti-tank guided weapons like the Javalin system - which easily defeats any and all Russian armor. There is an iron river flowing into Ukraine right now. And what about the Ukrainians? For years, every adult could legally own a “Hunting rifle.” In Ukraine, a hunting rifle is defined as an AK-47 assault rifle (a machinegun), a more advanced AK-74, or the domestically made M-16 copy. Only, Ukrainians train with their weapons every weekend. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary Ukrainians. The fact that they have not left is ample evidence they will fight. And fight to the last man, woman, and teenager. Ukraine is a meat-grinder for the Russian conscript army. It cannot be occupied. |
Anonymous
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Everyone remembers Moscow’s Afghanistan disaster.
But the key turning-point was: - US Stinger anti-aircraft missiles (which are fired by a single individual). Advanced versions of those missiles are flowing over the border, along with advanced western anti-tank missiles. This is not Chechnya. |
Anonymous
This. there is no evidence that these were not main line units. There may be no elite units at all. The estimates are that Russia is using about 75 fighter jets for the whole country. Why? They should have hundreds. It could be that they cannot field 500 fighter jets to make them work all at the same time. The tanks are their main battle tanks. The Javelin anti tank weapons work really well. The Russians do not have anti tank weapon that is that effective on the US main battle tank. Russia will win. There is more to come. But this appears to be an army that would struggle against a half way decent power like France or the UK. Earlier PP mentioned that 40 mile convoy. A 40 mile convoy makes no military sense so it shows their leadership and planning are way off. If we were fighting every man and woman in that 40 mile convoy would have been dead in an hour. |
Anonymous
US never lost to NK. In fact that war never ended. We were pushed back by the Chinese. We had captured all of North Korea when the Chinese came in. Vietnam was no loss either. More of a draw. We were not there at the end and did not reinforce South Vietnam like we planned to do because that was the middle of Watergate. As for Afghanistan -- we sure lost that one but that was political. A decision was made to leave -- right or wrong -- had we wanted to we would still be there today propping up our puppet government. |
Anonymous
This could make some sense if true. But these were not junk units and the equipment is their standard top of the line stuff. The don't have that many T90s according to Jane's. Ditto T14 -- and I saw some T-14s burning in the last couple of days. Ukraine unlikely to be without ammo as it keeps pouring in. Time will tell but they may not have the ability to field a modern army --- even on their border. |
Anonymous
I would worry that they will. When things get tough. |
Anonymous
This is pretty spot on. Article today that US and UK intel are predicting a 15-20 year war that will eat up Russian money and resources and Russia will lose. |
Anonymous
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27 T-72s lost
24 T-80s 4 T-90s 1 unknown All verified as of two days ago so there's likely been more losses since then. |
Anonymous
Sounds like losses to me |
Anonymous
Vietnam was not a war; it was a battle in the Cold War. In Vietnam, we faced an enemy backed by 20,000 Russian military “advisors” and 30,000 Chinese advisers. American pilots over N. Vietnam were in dogfights with Russian pilots - not Vietnamese. And those “Vietnamese” SAM sites? - Russian made missiles, operated by Russian military units. |
Anonymous
18%? Less than one hundred thousand men have been sent in. |
Anonymous
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^ The estimate is 150,000 Russian troops have been sent in. https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/24/latest_news/1645729870_894320.html |
Anonymous
Moreover, Russia didn’t lose to Finland. Russia was fighting both Finland and the German army supporting Finland. Under the final peace deal, Karelia was annexed by the Russian Federation. The rest of Finland was officially neutral but cooperated with the Soviet Union. |
Anonymous
| What to make of the Ukrainian press release that the Russian FSB tipped the Ukrainian Secret Police as to the hit squad coming for the President of the Ukraine? Are they trying to get Putin mad at the FSB or could this have happened? |