Anonymous wrote:one son and YES! And I don't regret it.

His half brother it is not and now with 8 years old HE HAS TO DO IT but he is afraid.

Anonymous wrote:Is Rush on DCUM? See also reference to the CDC - in addition to AAP, HIH, and WHO on medical benefit -- and that since there are pros and cons, one should leave the decision up to parents.

Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 13:35 ET
Limbaugh: You'll pry my foreskin from my cold, dead hands
Circumcision -- tool of the coming fascist, penis-hating regime
By Gabriel Winant

AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
Conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh attends a ceremony in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2009. President Bush was presenting the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and former Australian Prime Minister John Howard. Limbaugh, who suffered hearing loss as a result of autoimmune inner ear disease, wears a cochlear implant, a powerful hearing aid that is implanted in the inner ear of an individual with nerve deafness. If you had to whip up a too-good-to-be-true story for the right-wing pundit class to freak out over, what elements would you include? There would have to be, of course, an element of command-and-control socialist-fascist invasion and regulation of the most private parts of our
lives, in the name of some spurious "common good." But that alone is a little pedestrian nowadays, so you'd want to add a nice dollop of male sexual neurosis to really kick it up a notch. Then add just a hint of racial fear and beat to a froth.

What are we talking about here? Officials at the Centers for Disease Control, showing touching naiveté about the current political environment, are weighing an initiative to encourage male circumcision, with the idea that there are probably some minor health benefits. Says Dr. Peter Kilmarx, the head of epidemiology for the H.I.V./AIDS Prevention wing of the CDC, "What we've heard from our consultants is that there would be a benefit for infants from infant circumcision, and that the benefits outweigh the risks."

Seems straightforward. Sure, there are reasonable people on all sides of the general arguments about circumcision, but if the CDC takes a rigorous look and decides to encourage the surgery, what harm can they do?

Only a little bit, it turns out, but in a place where it really hurts. Ed Morrissey of the conservative blog Hot Air writes, "If the CDC -- which is part of the same government that will control health care -- decides that circumcision is beneficial and cost-efficient in the long term, that same mechanism would create pressure on doctors and patients to perform them."

Morrissey's argument has the same basic flaw that animated the "death panel" fears: an inability to distinguish between advice and force. If this CDC proposal goes into effect, it, like the now-dead end-of-life counseling proposal, would make available some valuable medical advice. There's nothing on the table to penalize doctors who don't circumcise newborns, or parents who decline the procedure. To have a "mechanism [that] would create pressure on doctors and patients," you need, well, a mechanism. Morrissey can't come up with one.

But when was the last time that stopped these guys? Two days ago, Rush Limbaugh claimed, "It is President Obama who wants [to] mandate circumcision ... And that means, if we need to save our penises from anybody, it's Obama."

So now that we're talking about Limbaugh's penis, all of a sudden, we're in a world where the tiniest measure of government suggestion about sexual health equals a full onslaught against privacy. Expect to see the radio talker at the next march to protect abortion rights with a "Keep your government hands off my private parts" sign.

Gabriel Winant is a graduate student in American history at Yale. More: Gabriel Winant

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Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

Anti-circ person here. And I agree with you. I really will never be satisfied with any excuse to circ a child. However, I understand that the religious tradition of circumcision is strong, and I can understand why people circumcise for religious reasons... even if I don't agree with it. But those who claim to do it for medical reasons are misinformed or choose to be misinformed. Anybody who actually researches this procedure (and I'm not talking about reading an article or two, I'm talking about looking into the history of it and reading all the studies) will come to the conclusion that it is an inhumane and unnecessary procedure.

Another anti-circ person and I agree. I believe that any intelligent person, if they really are honest, look at all the available information, and are strong enough to set aside their cultural bias; will come to the conclusion that circumcision is unnecessary and damaging. I also believe that it should be made illegal to circumcise any newborn baby in our hospitals, and I fully support those places in our country and worldwide that are working to outlaw it. However, I also understand the power of religious tradition and I do support religious freedom, so I am comfortable with allowing Orthodox Jews the right to proceed with their out-of-hospital ceremonies.

Damaging how? Yes, I get that they cut off skin from the penis, both my sons are circumcised, but that doesn't impact them physically or mentally. My husband who is circumcised has no issues because of his circumcision. I can understand that it is no longer seen as medically necessary, but we decided to do it anyway. I'm not sorry we did and would do it again with another son.

"Damaging how?" You don't know? You mean, you let somebody perform a procedure that cuts off a part of your kids penis, and you did absolutely no research on it? Well I guess that makes sense. Because if you had done research on it, you would've refused the procedure. My husband is circumcised too. And he also has no issues with his own circumcision. What he had an issue with, is that somebody was gonna put a scalpel to our sons penis for ABSOLUTELY NO medical reason. None.

OMG call child protective services, not only did I circumcise my sons I pierced my daughter's ears. There is no medical reason for either of these. Take my children away. Obviously I'm an idiot who doesn't research and I don't care about my children. Oh wait, I hear knocking at my door. Is it the DCUM police????

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Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

Anti-circ person here. And I agree with you. I really will never be satisfied with any excuse to circ a child. However, I understand that the religious tradition of circumcision is strong, and I can understand why people circumcise for religious reasons... even if I don't agree with it. But those who claim to do it for medical reasons are misinformed or choose to be misinformed. Anybody who actually researches this procedure (and I'm not talking about reading an article or two, I'm talking about looking into the history of it and reading all the studies) will come to the conclusion that it is an inhumane and unnecessary procedure.

Another anti-circ person and I agree. I believe that any intelligent person, if they really are honest, look at all the available information, and are strong enough to set aside their cultural bias; will come to the conclusion that circumcision is unnecessary and damaging. I also believe that it should be made illegal to circumcise any newborn baby in our hospitals, and I fully support those places in our country and worldwide that are working to outlaw it. However, I also understand the power of religious tradition and I do support religious freedom, so I am comfortable with allowing Orthodox Jews the right to proceed with their out-of-hospital ceremonies.

Damaging how? Yes, I get that they cut off skin from the penis, both my sons are circumcised, but that doesn't impact them physically or mentally. My husband who is circumcised has no issues because of his circumcision. I can understand that it is no longer seen as medically necessary, but we decided to do it anyway. I'm not sorry we did and would do it again with another son.

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Anonymous wrote:Am i the only one: if i'm alone w/my kid...I load her, load the groceries, and GASP...leave the cart in my space or next to it? I know I know. Life is too short, and I have enough to worry about.

Is it really that difficult to put the cart away? You're alone with one kid - it's not difficult. You're blocking a parking space that someone else could use plus risking damage to someone else's car.

Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

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Anonymous wrote:We had DS circumcised. I had no preference either way, but DH was circ'd in his early 20's and had a painful recovery and wanted DS circumcised as an infant. FWIW, DH says once he'd healed sex felt the same as before.

What is the right age to get the end of your penis cut off? I am sure it is just as painful for infants but they don't have the right to object...

Funny, my DH was circ'ed at 13 or 14 and swore he would never do that to his son, if he had one. I had too many friends and family members who suffered complications from their circumcisions and I didn't want to that to any son I would ever have.

DS isn't circ'ed and at the age of 7 he has had no issues what so ever.

Well then, I guess your DH must speak for all men who were circumcised later in life. I don't understand why you are so defensive in your post. I simply stated why my DH preferred to have his son circumcised based on his experience -- nowhere in my post did I state that being uncirc'd was a bad thing.

And in all honesty, I find it odd that you know the very private business of so many of your male friends as you state above.

Anonymous wrote:Yep, we did. No regrets. DS has a great looking penis, just like his daddy.

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Anonymous wrote:11:09 check 10:35. Do you need some more help honey?

Why yes, yes I do. What's a "ghat"? And can you tell me what a "notean" is? I was kind of lost on your "valid points" because you don't seem to be thinking them through.

I suggest you read the following: http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/GenitalIntegrityStatement.pdf

Let me know what you think. And be sure to really think through your "valid points"... and perhaps proofread before you post.

Cuzimawesome, you're debating with a rock. Obviously, there were some harsh posts because people feel strongly about it, but there were also many nuanced, well presented arguments against circumcising by folks who were careful not to sound judgmental. This poster is describing herself. No valid points, just emotional, frustrated arguments. I think she knows that she has very little in terms of valid points and is just grasping. It is what people do when backed into a corner.

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Anonymous wrote:11:09 check 10:35. Do you need some more help honey?

Why yes, yes I do. What's a "ghat"? And can you tell me what a "notean" is? I was kind of lost on your "valid points" because you don't seem to be thinking them through.

I suggest you read the following: http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/GenitalIntegrityStatement.pdf

Let me know what you think. And be sure to really think through your "valid points"... and perhaps proofread before you post.

If you cannot make out the words that I don't care to proofread (not writing a thesis) then go back to school. Awesome!

Exactly. The fact that you don't care to proofread doesn't bode well for your so called "valid points".

But thanks for your valiant attempt at an insult. It gave me a chuckle.

Anonymous wrote:11:09 check 10:35. Do you need some more help honey?

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Anonymous wrote:Well pp I disagree because I don't think vaccinations ate necessary. So your argument is crap. Can't have it both ways according to you ppl. So get an an anti vaccine person on here to tell you that you suck as a parent to hurt your child by vaccinating them.

Really if half you argumentative posters had valid points I would listen but you do not and it's always black or white in your eyes. The anti anything posters are far more aggressive and argumentative with thoughts that are so flawed and it's getting old!

You sound pretty argumentative and aggressive to me.

Sure turn it around on me smarty pants. I have valid points and thoughts and you do not. But good try!