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As Catholics, we are required to have the utmost respect for the human body. To disfigure it or mutilate it in any way is strictly forbidden -- thus the prohibitions against tubals or vasectomies.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

Anti-circ person here. And I agree with you. I really will never be satisfied with any excuse to circ a child. However, I understand that the religious tradition of circumcision is strong, and I can understand why people circumcise for religious reasons... even if I don't agree with it. But those who claim to do it for medical reasons are misinformed or choose to be misinformed. Anybody who actually researches this procedure (and I'm not talking about reading an article or two, I'm talking about looking into the history of it and reading all the studies) will come to the conclusion that it is an inhumane and unnecessary procedure.

Another anti-circ person and I agree. I believe that any intelligent person, if they really are honest, look at all the available information, and are strong enough to set aside their cultural bias; will come to the conclusion that circumcision is unnecessary and damaging. I also believe that it should be made illegal to circumcise any newborn baby in our hospitals, and I fully support those places in our country and worldwide that are working to outlaw it. However, I also understand the power of religious tradition and I do support religious freedom, so I am comfortable with allowing Orthodox Jews the right to proceed with their out-of-hospital ceremonies.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, all four of our boys. A mohel came to our house on the 8th day. The boys did not cry, and they healed quickly and beautifully. We are Catholic.

My mother's best friend is a nurse in a urology practice. It was her strenuous recommendation that we do it that tipped the scales, because I was open to either way. My MIL is a pediatrician who goes by the book, and she trends towards circumcising.

I can see each side. My suggestion if you do it? Have a mohel, and do it when your baby is a week old. I can recommend ours if you like.

As Catholics, we are required to have the utmost respect for the human body. To disfigure it or mutilate it in any way is strictly forbidden -- thus the prohibitions against tubals or vasectomies. Many Catholics now realize that circumcision is a mutilation of the natural body that God has blessed us with. You say that all of your boys healed "beautifully", but do you really believe that God would create us with such a significant design flaw, that we would need to surgically alter our boys to make them look more beautiful? Before you have your next boy, spend some time reading www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org and see if it might not change your mind on this topic.

Medical practioners of the past few decades have not learned how to properly take care of intact penises, and they have done great damage by instructing parents to forcibly retract and clean, which is why so many intact men have had "problems." It is no surprise that an old-fashioned pediatrician, or a urology nurse, have only had experience with problems and do not have any idea how to fix those problems other than surgery. If you do some research, you will see that most boys, if cared for properly, will have absolutely no problem with their intact penises.

Anonymous wrote:20:13 you wrote a great post! Thank you for sharing and you are right... The judgement needs to stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

Anti-circ person here. And I agree with you. I really will never be satisfied with any excuse to circ a child. However, I understand that the religious tradition of circumcision is strong, and I can understand why people circumcise for religious reasons... even if I don't agree with it. But those who claim to do it for medical reasons are misinformed or choose to be misinformed. Anybody who actually researches this procedure (and I'm not talking about reading an article or two, I'm talking about looking into the history of it and reading all the studies) will come to the conclusion that it is an inhumane and unnecessary procedure.

Another anti-circ person and I agree. I believe that any intelligent person, if they really are honest, look at all the available information, and are strong enough to set aside their cultural bias; will come to the conclusion that circumcision is unnecessary and damaging. I also believe that it should be made illegal to circumcise any newborn baby in our hospitals, and I fully support those places in our country and worldwide that are working to outlaw it. However, I also understand the power of religious tradition and I do support religious freedom, so I am comfortable with allowing Orthodox Jews the right to proceed with their out-of-hospital ceremonies.

Damaging how? Yes, I get that they cut off skin from the penis, both my sons are circumcised, but that doesn't impact them physically or mentally. My husband who is circumcised has no issues because of his circumcision. I can understand that it is no longer seen as medically necessary, but we decided to do it anyway. I'm not sorry we did and would do it again with another son.

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cuzimawesome wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

Anti-circ person here. And I agree with you. I really will never be satisfied with any excuse to circ a child. However, I understand that the religious tradition of circumcision is strong, and I can understand why people circumcise for religious reasons... even if I don't agree with it. But those who claim to do it for medical reasons are misinformed or choose to be misinformed. Anybody who actually researches this procedure (and I'm not talking about reading an article or two, I'm talking about looking into the history of it and reading all the studies) will come to the conclusion that it is an inhumane and unnecessary procedure.

Another anti-circ person and I agree. I believe that any intelligent person, if they really are honest, look at all the available information, and are strong enough to set aside their cultural bias; will come to the conclusion that circumcision is unnecessary and damaging. I also believe that it should be made illegal to circumcise any newborn baby in our hospitals, and I fully support those places in our country and worldwide that are working to outlaw it. However, I also understand the power of religious tradition and I do support religious freedom, so I am comfortable with allowing Orthodox Jews the right to proceed with their out-of-hospital ceremonies.

Damaging how? Yes, I get that they cut off skin from the penis, both my sons are circumcised, but that doesn't impact them physically or mentally. My husband who is circumcised has no issues because of his circumcision. I can understand that it is no longer seen as medically necessary, but we decided to do it anyway. I'm not sorry we did and would do it again with another son.

"Damaging how?" You don't know? You mean, you let somebody perform a procedure that cuts off a part of your kids penis, and you did absolutely no research on it? Well I guess that makes sense. Because if you had done research on it, you would've refused the procedure. My husband is circumcised too. And he also has no issues with his own circumcision. What he had an issue with, is that somebody was gonna put a scalpel to our sons penis for ABSOLUTELY NO medical reason. None.

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cuzimawesome wrote:

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cuzimawesome wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

Anti-circ person here. And I agree with you. I really will never be satisfied with any excuse to circ a child. However, I understand that the religious tradition of circumcision is strong, and I can understand why people circumcise for religious reasons... even if I don't agree with it. But those who claim to do it for medical reasons are misinformed or choose to be misinformed. Anybody who actually researches this procedure (and I'm not talking about reading an article or two, I'm talking about looking into the history of it and reading all the studies) will come to the conclusion that it is an inhumane and unnecessary procedure.

Another anti-circ person and I agree. I believe that any intelligent person, if they really are honest, look at all the available information, and are strong enough to set aside their cultural bias; will come to the conclusion that circumcision is unnecessary and damaging. I also believe that it should be made illegal to circumcise any newborn baby in our hospitals, and I fully support those places in our country and worldwide that are working to outlaw it. However, I also understand the power of religious tradition and I do support religious freedom, so I am comfortable with allowing Orthodox Jews the right to proceed with their out-of-hospital ceremonies.

Damaging how? Yes, I get that they cut off skin from the penis, both my sons are circumcised, but that doesn't impact them physically or mentally. My husband who is circumcised has no issues because of his circumcision. I can understand that it is no longer seen as medically necessary, but we decided to do it anyway. I'm not sorry we did and would do it again with another son.

"Damaging how?" You don't know? You mean, you let somebody perform a procedure that cuts off a part of your kids penis, and you did absolutely no research on it? Well I guess that makes sense. Because if you had done research on it, you would've refused the procedure. My husband is circumcised too. And he also has no issues with his own circumcision. What he had an issue with, is that somebody was gonna put a scalpel to our sons penis for ABSOLUTELY NO medical reason. None.

OMG call child protective services, not only did I circumcise my sons I pierced my daughter's ears. There is no medical reason for either of these. Take my children away. Obviously I'm an idiot who doesn't research and I don't care about my children. Oh wait, I hear knocking at my door. Is it the DCUM police????

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cuzimawesome wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

cuzimawesome wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

Anti-circ person here. And I agree with you. I really will never be satisfied with any excuse to circ a child. However, I understand that the religious tradition of circumcision is strong, and I can understand why people circumcise for religious reasons... even if I don't agree with it. But those who claim to do it for medical reasons are misinformed or choose to be misinformed. Anybody who actually researches this procedure (and I'm not talking about reading an article or two, I'm talking about looking into the history of it and reading all the studies) will come to the conclusion that it is an inhumane and unnecessary procedure.

Another anti-circ person and I agree. I believe that any intelligent person, if they really are honest, look at all the available information, and are strong enough to set aside their cultural bias; will come to the conclusion that circumcision is unnecessary and damaging. I also believe that it should be made illegal to circumcise any newborn baby in our hospitals, and I fully support those places in our country and worldwide that are working to outlaw it. However, I also understand the power of religious tradition and I do support religious freedom, so I am comfortable with allowing Orthodox Jews the right to proceed with their out-of-hospital ceremonies.

Damaging how? Yes, I get that they cut off skin from the penis, both my sons are circumcised, but that doesn't impact them physically or mentally. My husband who is circumcised has no issues because of his circumcision. I can understand that it is no longer seen as medically necessary, but we decided to do it anyway. I'm not sorry we did and would do it again with another son.

"Damaging how?" You don't know? You mean, you let somebody perform a procedure that cuts off a part of your kids penis, and you did absolutely no research on it? Well I guess that makes sense. Because if you had done research on it, you would've refused the procedure. My husband is circumcised too. And he also has no issues with his own circumcision. What he had an issue with, is that somebody was gonna put a scalpel to our sons penis for ABSOLUTELY NO medical reason. None.

OMG call child protective services, not only did I circumcise my sons I pierced my daughter's ears. There is no medical reason for either of these. Take my children away. Obviously I'm an idiot who doesn't research and I don't care about my children. Oh wait, I hear knocking at my door. Is it the DCUM police????

I rest my case.

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Anonymous wrote:

As Catholics, we are required to have the utmost respect for the human body. To disfigure it or mutilate it in any way is strictly forbidden -- thus the prohibitions against tubals or vasectomies.

You now full well that's not why tubals and vasectomies are forbidden in Catholicism. Sex is only for procreation. No birth control allowed. It has nothing to do with mutilating the body.

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Anonymous wrote:

As Catholics, we are required to have the utmost respect for the human body. To disfigure it or mutilate it in any way is strictly forbidden -- thus the prohibitions against tubals or vasectomies.

You now full well that's not why tubals and vasectomies are forbidden in Catholicism. Sex is only for procreation. No birth control allowed. It has nothing to do with mutilating the body.

Apparently you haven't read your Catechism, eh? Yes, birth control is forbidden because of the great respect for fertility, as well as the dignity and purpose of marriage; however there is another angle that is discussed regarding tubals and vasectomies and this is where it talks about not mutilating the body.

Anonymous wrote:You have an interesting perspective in that you chose not to do it, but wound up having a reasonable medical reason to do so. You also sound relatively open-minded and genuinely curious about this debate. So, I'll give you my answer to your question. The big deal is that you are slicing into a newborn baby's penis with no dire need to do so (not you personally of course, as you had a very unique situation. Heck, there are numerous unique medical situations which could justify the amputation of any number of otherwise useful body parts). Also in my opinion it is not simply about the pain or the recovery, which usually goes fine (but of course in a small percentage of cases can go horribly wrong) but the fact that no person should have part of their genitals sliced and amputated without their consent, period. You reference female circumcision, and I agree that female circumcision can be far more serious and debilitating than what we see with routine infant circ in this country. However, there is a type of female circumcision practiced which involves only a small ritual "nick" (ie, a cut, but nothing is removed) in the baby girls clitoris. To answer your question with a question: would you consider this type of female circumcision to be acceptable? Why or why not? Yet regardless of anyone's personal opinion, even this very "minor" type of female circ is still illegal in this country. Why do we provide this protection to baby girls (most of immigrant parents), while we allow a procedure on our own baby boys which is FAR more invasive?

Ha Ha. If the worst you can find in my parenting is that I circumcised my sons and mocked people on DCUM who are over the top, then I say I'm a pretty damned good mother.

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cuzimawesome wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who are against circling, just be honest- there's never going to be an answer from a circ'er that will satisfy you. even people who do it for religious reasons will be questioned by you.

Anti-circ person here. And I agree with you. I really will never be satisfied with any excuse to circ a child. However, I understand that the religious tradition of circumcision is strong, and I can understand why people circumcise for religious reasons... even if I don't agree with it. But those who claim to do it for medical reasons are misinformed or choose to be misinformed. Anybody who actually researches this procedure (and I'm not talking about reading an article or two, I'm talking about looking into the history of it and reading all the studies) will come to the conclusion that it is an inhumane and unnecessary procedure.

Another anti-circ person and I agree. I believe that any intelligent person, if they really are honest, look at all the available information, and are strong enough to set aside their cultural bias; will come to the conclusion that circumcision is unnecessary and damaging. I also believe that it should be made illegal to circumcise any newborn baby in our hospitals, and I fully support those places in our country and worldwide that are working to outlaw it. However, I also understand the power of religious tradition and I do support religious freedom, so I am comfortable with allowing Orthodox Jews the right to proceed with their out-of-hospital ceremonies.

Damaging how? Yes, I get that they cut off skin from the penis, both my sons are circumcised, but that doesn't impact them physically or mentally. My husband who is circumcised has no issues because of his circumcision. I can understand that it is no longer seen as medically necessary, but we decided to do it anyway. I'm not sorry we did and would do it again with another son.