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Anonymous wrote:Not following the “racism charge”. Fairfax Times reporting has been good on this topic but this last article is not that clear at all - not sure where the Reid racism charge coming from(?)
It appears to be coming from comically ignorant and misinformed Overton supporters who are grasping at straws. It is all they have.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good for the other coaches:
https://wjla.com/news/local/hayfield-fairfax-county-football-high-school-playoffs-delayed-league-vhsl-lake-braddock-west-springfield-south-county-west-potomac-edison-coaches-player-ineligibility-fairness-athletes-students-parents-superintendent-sports
This is not going away.
We know white supremacy isn’t going away. Not anytime soon, anyway.
Pathetic. You hide behind the "anonymous" feature that allows knuckle draggers to post on this site and make baseless claims of racism. You are a weak, feeble, coward just like Overton. But do go with your keyboard warrior actions. That, and living vicariously (look it up) through teenagers is all you have.
Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811
Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.
If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.
I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.
It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."
Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.
I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight.
Aziz came in when pretty much the team turned their backs on coach Hendersonville. Aziz BEST win in his 3 years in the worst district there is was MAYBE Mount Vernon and their horribly coached. So the sad song Aziz is tryna play is invalid. A principal or AD is not wrong for wanting a winning program, Aziz was not that, so they cut ties, what’s so bad or wrong about that. Coaches are hired and fired all the time and the only measuring stick they have is wins and losses. He may damn we’ll be a good man, but haven’t a good coach, simple as that.
Knocking a guy who is well-respected as a coach, educator, and a person and who is not even involved in all of this stuff that is going down right now...that's just petty and small.
As I stated, this is not about him as a man or educator, this is simply him as a head football coach. If he’s not getting it amine the AD will remove you. The most respected man in Hayfield was Roy Hill, and they found a way to dismiss/not bring him back so yes it def happens to men who are great educators and coaches, so don’t get nothing confused.
Are you the one who wrote "Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach" or the one who wrote the unintelligible line "but haven’t a good coach"?
Either way, you've been proven wrong. Take the L and go home. Overton is waiting for you to get on your knees for him.
Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What we do know is that this season’s results will have an “asterisk” by it. And the Hayfield name is “stained”, even outside sports b/c the team represents the school, and the admin is in full support.
Ok. *shrug*
And this is the real problem in all of this...the "adults" at Hayfield just don't care about what has gone down, they just care about living out their lives through their kids' performance on a field because they've never accomplished anything of consequence on their own. What terrible examples they are setting for the kids at the school. Clearly it is a generational issue...the adults were raised wrong and now they're raising their kids wrong, teaching them it is ok to cheat, break the rules etc. It is really sad.
Mr. Winston
Who are you to judge another person’s character. What vested interest do you have in all of this? Comes off very judgmental wouldn’t you say?
No, it doesn't, at least not among intelligent people. To them, it comes off as an accurate assessment of a very sad situation - sad for the former Hayfield players who got run off; sad for the Freedom program left in ruins; sad for the rest of the teams in district because a bunch of parents, coaches, and administrators put winning above doing what is right; and sad for the current Hayfield players who are surrounded by adults who, in Trumpian fashion, cheat and lie and then play the victim.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Stone Bridge recruited. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program.)
Madison baseball recruits. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program. They pupil-place into Latin, rent homes for four years, participate in pay-to-play camps, practice in off-season not as a team but as a travel club.)
Who are we fooling?
Hayfield proselytizes. (May the mighty Lord inflict flames of vengeance upon Hayfield nation!)
If that's the case lodge a complaint. Everyone says everyone else did it...so in so does it...THEN SAY SOMETHING who can do something about it. Overton messed with the wrong parents and here we are.
Not PP, but I still claim a major newspaper could break a pretty popular story if they started looking into this. Hayfield fessed up to the one track athlete. How many more one-offs are there? And how many more programs that everyone knows recruit actually do?
It is disappointing how WaPo has turned a blind eye to it all year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Stone Bridge recruited. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program.)
Madison baseball recruits. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program. They pupil-place into Latin, rent homes for four years, participate in pay-to-play camps, practice in off-season not as a team but as a travel club.)
Who are we fooling?
Hayfield proselytizes. (May the mighty Lord inflict flames of vengeance upon Hayfield nation!)
If that's the case lodge a complaint. Everyone says everyone else did it...so in so does it...THEN SAY SOMETHING who can do something about it. Overton messed with the wrong parents and here we are.
Yessir. Here we are. #Hayfieldby40 We be playing, we still winning, y'all keep crying.
You don't realize how badly your comment makes you look. Parents within your program have publicly admitted they violated rules and you are bragging about winning. As per usual, it is the Hayfield players who suffer because they clearly have no intelligent, moral, decent adult role models to look up to.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811
Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.
If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.
I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.
It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."
Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.
I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight.
Aziz came in when pretty much the team turned their backs on coach Hendersonville. Aziz BEST win in his 3 years in the worst district there is was MAYBE Mount Vernon and their horribly coached. So the sad song Aziz is tryna play is invalid. A principal or AD is not wrong for wanting a winning program, Aziz was not that, so they cut ties, what’s so bad or wrong about that. Coaches are hired and fired all the time and the only measuring stick they have is wins and losses. He may damn we’ll be a good man, but haven’t a good coach, simple as that.
Knocking a guy who is well-respected as a coach, educator, and a person and who is not even involved in all of this stuff that is going down right now...that's just petty and small.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811
Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.
If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.
I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.
It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."
Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.
I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight.
Def false
Actually definitely true. There were a couple of articles in the Washington Post in 2013 about Falls Church's rise to a measure of prominence in football under Aziz. A quick google search proves that correct. But, and this is a testament to Aziz, he always seemed to deflect credit to his kids...that's what a good coach and decent human being does. Hopefully, for the sake of another program, he gets another coaching job elsewhere.
Some of the links for those interested:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/falls-church-earns-rare-playoff-win-dominion-grabs-first-ever-postseason-win/2013/11/15/cf5260a4-4e78-11e3-9890-a1e0997fb0c0_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/falls-church-football-off-to-best-start-in-more-than-a-decade-robinson-plays-without-injured-joe-wilson/2013/09/26/1769d116-26cd-11e3-b3e9-d97fb087acd6_story.html
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811
Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.
Written by the guy who wrote a really fascinating article on the back-and-forth of the NWLL scandal. He's a great storyteller and as with the NWLL article no one in the Hayfield story comes off looking particularly good except those on the periphery of the story.
I enjoy McKenna as a writer and this piece, like his previous work, is on-point. I still remember the piece he did on lacrosse parents having their kids reclass and being floored by it.
This piece is going to turn Overton into a national punchline. I will be curious to see what kind of dumpster fire hires him after this.
Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What we do know is that this season’s results will have an “asterisk” by it. And the Hayfield name is “stained”, even outside sports b/c the team represents the school, and the admin is in full support.
Ok. *shrug*
And this is the real problem in all of this...the "adults" at Hayfield just don't care about what has gone down, they just care about living out their lives through their kids' performance on a field because they've never accomplished anything of consequence on their own. What terrible examples they are setting for the kids at the school. Clearly it is a generational issue...the adults were raised wrong and now they're raising their kids wrong, teaching them it is ok to cheat, break the rules etc. It is really sad.
Mr. Winston
Who are you to judge another person’s character. What vested interest do you have in all of this? Comes off very judgmental wouldn’t you say?
DP. The Defender article was pretty judgmental. Hayfield is indefensible.
I don't think it was judgmental. I think it laid out the facts of the case clearly, which, as you noted, makes Hayfield, their supporters, and the folks who let this all happen (including parents, administrators and the school board) indefensible.
Of course you do Frank, of course you do. Isn’t it past your nap time or something. Does your son coach one of these teams? Your disdain for the program is evident, would you care to just keep mudslinging. Your views don’t make you nomore right than my views on the situation
Wow, how easy is it to get under your skin? I hope you aren't a parent as it appears you melt down immediately when called out. I merely made a statement of fact (not a view): the actions of those involved are indefensible and in turn you respond with childish comments like "isn't it past your naptime" (it is one word btw) and ad hominem attacks...how sad. Yet again, my previous comments hold up. I really feel for these Hayfield kids, they appear to have no decent adult role models in their lives. It is very sad.
Oh, and my views on this matter are far more right than yours as I am operating in a world of facts. You are operating in a world of lies and deflection. Now that this has become national news the only difference in the outcome of this story is that Hayfield Football, Overton, and those who enabled this whole thing will become a national joke rather than just a regional one.
Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. Narrow the number of playoff participants. A 3-7 team should not even sniff the playoffs.
2. If you're scared, forfeit.
3. Powerhouse teams come and go. Nobody wet their pants before.
4. Ballers ball. Whiners whine.
5. Winners win. Losers retreat.
I would hope this was written by a child, but based on the other comments by the Hayfield boosters on this site, it most certainly is one of the adult parents/coaches/supporters of Overton. It really is sad but it proves my previous comment correct. The Hayfield parents will sidestep the credible accusations of cheating and breaking the law because to them, winning at high school football is more important than doing what is right. I really do feel for the kids on the team, it appears they have zero decent adult role models surrounding them.
Your own words sir, accusations
That is one word, not "words." It is sad you need that explained to you. Sad, but unsurprising.
The actual words (as in more than one word) were "credible accusations."
Oh, and yet again, you prove my previous comment correct. These Hayfield kids have zero decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811
Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.
If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.
I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.
It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."
Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FrankWinston wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What we do know is that this season’s results will have an “asterisk” by it. And the Hayfield name is “stained”, even outside sports b/c the team represents the school, and the admin is in full support.
Ok. *shrug*
And this is the real problem in all of this...the "adults" at Hayfield just don't care about what has gone down, they just care about living out their lives through their kids' performance on a field because they've never accomplished anything of consequence on their own. What terrible examples they are setting for the kids at the school. Clearly it is a generational issue...the adults were raised wrong and now they're raising their kids wrong, teaching them it is ok to cheat, break the rules etc. It is really sad.
Mr. Winston
Who are you to judge another person’s character. What vested interest do you have in all of this? Comes off very judgmental wouldn’t you say?
DP. The Defender article was pretty judgmental. Hayfield is indefensible.
I don't think it was judgmental. I think it laid out the facts of the case clearly, which, as you noted, makes Hayfield, their supporters, and the folks who let this all happen (including parents, adminsitrators and the school board) indefensible.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).
This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).
Agree and good for those coaches especially for being willing to be public with their names. Openly defying your employer (FCPS-who have been tilting the scale for Hayfield all along) takes guts.
Yes - and frankly those guys are providing an unbelievably strong example to the kids (who this should be about). Coaches get short shrift sometimes but they're taking bigger risks and yet sure seem to be acting more impressively than a bunch of administrators/bureaucrats.
I was thinking the same. These six coaches are amazing role models for their kids and others. Maybe the Hayfield kids will get wind of this...it would be nice for them to get to see how adults with morals and scruples act.
I def could think of other coaches WITHOUT “vested interests” if that’s your Big Joker you wish to play
Yet another pro-Hayfield poster who proves the OP's comment correct. These players for Hayfield have terrible adult role models surrounding them. They cannot even construct a cogent, sensical sentence. These kids are never going to learn right from wrong and it falls squarely on their parents and coaches like Overton. It is a shame really.
Anonymous wrote:1. Narrow the number of playoff participants. A 3-7 team should not even sniff the playoffs.
2. If you're scared, forfeit.
3. Powerhouse teams come and go. Nobody wet their pants before.
4. Ballers ball. Whiners whine.
5. Winners win. Losers retreat.
I would hope this was written by a child, but based on the other comments by the Hayfield boosters on this site, it most certainly is one of the adult parents/coaches/supporters of Overton. It really is sad but it proves my previous comment correct. The Hayfield parents will sidestep the credible accusations of cheating and breaking the law because to them, winning at high school football is more important than doing what is right. I really do feel for the kids on the team, it appears they have zero decent adult role models surrounding them.