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Anonymous wrote:None of the judge's comments on the substance of the matter at all, legally. The ruling was solely based on VHSL
not following their procedural rule. The judge knew how he was going to rule before the hearing began.

Interested to see what happens at the next hearing or if VHSL will attempt to cure by re-doing their steps.

The writing is on the Wall. Hayfield is in it and may win it.

I think Hayfield can be beat. I also think they should be allowed to play. My kids also do not go to Hayfield and I have no sons, so I'm not particularly invested in HS football. I do love the sport though.

Separately asked- so apart from whether Hayfield did anything and just from baseline position- do you believe there should be governing rules for high school football teams? Should there be rules to govern the conduct of coaches, administrators and players? And yes to those questions, do you believe decisions from those rules should be followed?

Yes, of course there should be rules for high school football teams to keep things fair and safe, but those rules need to be clear and not vague. And they should apply to everyone, not just some schools. Coaches, administrators, and players should have to adhere to the rules. If there’s a question about whether someone followed the rules, there needs to be solid proof, not just assumptions, opinions, or the appearance of rule-breaking. Comments in an article or from parents is not proof. Investigations should be had. Punishing someone without facts to back it up isn’t right and defeats the purpose of having rules in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the judge's comments on the substance of the matter at all, legally. The ruling was solely based on VHSL
not following their procedural rule. The judge knew how he was going to rule before the hearing began.

Interested to see what happens at the next hearing or if VHSL will attempt to cure by re-doing their steps.

The writing is on the Wall. Hayfield is in it and may win it.

I think Hayfield can be beat. I also think they should be allowed to play. My kids also do not go to Hayfield and I have no sons, so I'm not particularly invested in HS football. I do love the sport though.

Separately asked- so apart from whether Hayfield did anything and just from baseline position- do you believe there should be governing rules for high school football teams? Should there be rules to govern the conduct of coaches, administrators and players? And yes to those questions, do you believe decisions from those rules should be followed?

Yes, of course there should be rules for high school football teams to keep things fair and safe, but those rules need to be clear and not vague. And they should apply to everyone, not just some schools. Coaches, administrators, and players should have to adhere to the rules. If there’s a question about whether someone followed the rules, there needs to be solid proof, not just assumptions, opinions, or the appearance of rule-breaking. Comments in an article or from parents is not proof. Investigations should be had. Punishing someone without facts to back it up isn’t right and defeats the purpose of having rules in the first place.

VHSL based their ban on something. When asked about it in a courtroom, the lawyer, who I don't believe was a part of the decision-making process, couldn't say anything concrete. That doesn't mean that there aren't facts. It means that suing because you are banned is unsportsmanlike, lousy behavior, and VHSL wasn't prepared for it.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the judge's comments on the substance of the matter at all, legally. The ruling was solely based on VHSL
not following their procedural rule. The judge knew how he was going to rule before the hearing began.

Interested to see what happens at the next hearing or if VHSL will attempt to cure by re-doing their steps.

The writing is on the Wall. Hayfield is in it and may win it.

I think Hayfield can be beat. I also think they should be allowed to play. My kids also do not go to Hayfield and I have no sons, so I'm not particularly invested in HS football. I do love the sport though.

Separately asked- so apart from whether Hayfield did anything and just from baseline position- do you believe there should be governing rules for high school football teams? Should there be rules to govern the conduct of coaches, administrators and players? And yes to those questions, do you believe decisions from those rules should be followed?

Yes, of course there should be rules for high school football teams to keep things fair and safe, but those rules need to be clear and not vague. And they should apply to everyone, not just some schools. Coaches, administrators, and players should have to adhere to the rules. If there’s a question about whether someone followed the rules, there needs to be solid proof, not just assumptions, opinions, or the appearance of rule-breaking. Comments in an article or from parents is not proof. Investigations should be had. Punishing someone without facts to back it up isn’t right and defeats the purpose of having rules in the first place.

VHSL based their ban on something. When asked about it in a courtroom, the lawyer, who I don't believe was a part of the decision-making process, couldn't say anything concrete. That doesn't mean that there aren't facts. It means that suing because you are banned is unsportsmanlike, lousy behavior, and VHSL wasn't prepared for it.

While I'll give him little bit of a pass considering that motion/hearing happened in span of a couple days, there are certainly crappy lawyers in the world (just like any industry). And if this one didn't have crisp answers for some of those "basic" questions, it reads more like lack of preparation. Those questions should have been easily anticipated - I suspect VHSL will be better prepared for the Dec 4th hearing on the merits.

Regardless, kudos to those football coaches courageous enough to sign letter - too bad their administrations/FCPS as a whole can't muster the same level of integrity and effort.

Anonymous wrote:1. Narrow the number of playoff participants. A 3-7 team should not even sniff the playoffs.

2. If you're scared, forfeit.

3. Powerhouse teams come and go. Nobody wet their pants before.

4. Ballers ball. Whiners whine.

5. Winners win. Losers retreat.

Anonymous wrote:1. Narrow the number of playoff participants. A 3-7 team should not even sniff the playoffs.

2. If you're scared, forfeit.

3. Powerhouse teams come and go. Nobody wet their pants before.

4. Ballers ball. Whiners whine.

5. Winners win. Losers retreat.

Anonymous wrote:As stated in their letter, the coaches are asking parents. Ours just sent out a message asking us to do a survey if we want to forfeit playoffs.

Anonymous wrote:Stone Bridge recruited. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program.)

Madison baseball recruits. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program. They pupil-place into Latin, rent homes for four years, participate in pay-to-play camps, practice in off-season not as a team but as a travel club.)

Who are we fooling?

Hayfield proselytizes. (May the mighty Lord inflict flames of vengeance upon Hayfield nation!)

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Anonymous wrote:Stone Bridge recruited. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program.)

Madison baseball recruits. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program. They pupil-place into Latin, rent homes for four years, participate in pay-to-play camps, practice in off-season not as a team but as a travel club.)

Who are we fooling?

Hayfield proselytizes. (May the mighty Lord inflict flames of vengeance upon Hayfield nation!)

If that's the case lodge a complaint. Everyone says everyone else did it...so in so does it...THEN SAY SOMETHING who can do something about it. Overton messed with the wrong parents and here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Stone Bridge recruited. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program.)

Madison baseball recruits. (But, but, no, the best players and their families are attracted to a top-notch winning program. They pupil-place into Latin, rent homes for four years, participate in pay-to-play camps, practice in off-season not as a team but as a travel club.)

Who are we fooling?

Hayfield proselytizes. (May the mighty Lord inflict flames of vengeance upon Hayfield nation!)

If that's the case lodge a complaint. Everyone says everyone else did it...so in so does it...THEN SAY SOMETHING who can do something about it. Overton messed with the wrong parents and here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).

This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).

Agree and good for those coaches especially for being willing to be public with their names. Openly defying your employer (FCPS-who have been tilting the scale for Hayfield all along) takes guts.

Yes - and frankly those guys are providing an unbelievably strong example to the kids (who this should be about). Coaches get short shrift sometimes but they're taking bigger risks and yet sure seem to be acting more impressively than a bunch of administrators/bureaucrats.

I was thinking the same. These six coaches are amazing role models for their kids and others. Maybe the Hayfield kids will get wind of this...it would be nice for them to get to see how adults with morals and scruples act.

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Anonymous wrote:Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).

This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).

Agree and good for those coaches especially for being willing to be public with their names. Openly defying your employer (FCPS-who have been tilting the scale for Hayfield all along) takes guts.

Yes - and frankly those guys are providing an unbelievably strong example to the kids (who this should be about). Coaches get short shrift sometimes but they're taking bigger risks and yet sure seem to be acting more impressively than a bunch of administrators/bureaucrats.

I was thinking the same. These six coaches are amazing role models for their kids and others. Maybe the Hayfield kids will get wind of this...it would be nice for them to get to see how adults with morals and scruples act.

I def could think of other coaches WITHOUT “vested interests” if that’s your Big Joker you wish to play

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Anonymous wrote:What we do know is that this season’s results will have an “asterisk” by it. And the Hayfield name is “stained”, even outside sports b/c the team represents the school, and the admin is in full support.

Ok. *shrug*

And this is the real problem in all of this...the "adults" at Hayfield just don't care about what has gone down, they just care about living out their lives through their kids' performance on a field because they've never accomplished anything of consequence on their own. What terrible examples they are setting for the kids at the school. Clearly it is a generational issue...the adults were raised wrong and now they're raising their kids wrong, teaching them it is ok to cheat, break the rules etc. It is really sad.