Anonymous wrote:Muslima, your quoted source may be just a tad unreliable. I notice that same source also states that "evidence is now conclusive: two Ukrainian fighter jets did shoot down the Malaysian airliner.". Not sure how reliable the site you cite may be.

Anonymous wrote:Muslima what is your source that most terrorists in the world are not Muslim?

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

(The chart is misleading in several ways. For example, it labels “Extreme Left Wing Groups” and “Communists”, but not “Extreme Right Wing Groups” or “Fascists”. It should have either discarded all partisan labels, or included labels for both ends of the spectrum. In addition, “Latinos” is misleading, as Loonwatch is actually referring to Puerto Rican separatist groups, Cuban exile groups and the like. However, as shown below, many of the basic concepts are correct.)

U.S. News and World Report noted in February of this year:

Of the more than 300 American deaths from political violence and mass shootings since 9/11, only 33 have come at the hands of Muslim-Americans, according to the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security. The Muslim-American suspects or perpetrators in these or other attempted attacks fit no demographic profile—only 51 of more than 200 are of Arabic ethnicity. In 2012, all but one of the nine Muslim-American terrorism plots uncovered were halted in early stages. That one, an attempted bombing of a Social Security office in Arizona, caused no casualties.

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Anonymous wrote:In the CAR, Muslim extremists launched a war trying to take over a country in which they were the minority. Brutal repression of nonbelievers including indiscriminate killing. These are your peaceful Muslims? The Christian majority is now exacting their revenge. The world would be a better place if all religions were banned.

People will find something else to fight about.

Yet I do not see Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses, Episcopalians, Jews, Sevent Day Adventists, Protestants, or Born Again Christians killing any non-beleivers, just to name a few. Only Islam seems to promote the killing of non-believers or "Infidels".

All terrorists fundamentally see themselves as altruists: incontestably believing that they are serving a “good” cause designed to achieve a greater good for a wider constituency—whether real or imagined—which the terrorist and his organization or cell purport to represent. Indeed, it is precisely this sense of self-righteous commitment and self-sacrifice that that draws people into terrorist groups. It all helps them justify the violence they commit. It gives them collective meaning. It gives them cumulative power. The terrorist virtually always sees himself as a reluctant warrior: cast perpetually on the defensive and forced to take up arms to protect himself and his community. They see themselves as driven by desperation——and lacking any viable alternative—to violence against a repressive state, a predatory rival ethnic or nationalist group, or an unresponsive international order. -

These same issues exist within their own countries as well-Iraq, Iran, Egypt, North Africa etc. Israel is not the cause for all of these problems, though many blame Israel, These issues were in existence long before Israel came into existence.

Under an unbearable sun, with drones and F16s hovering menacingly overhead, young men, women and small boys wait in a seemingly never-ending line at the two Tal Al Hawa Bakeries, in West Gaza City. Some men use pizza cartons to protect their heads from the sun.

“I have been waiting here half a day to get just one sack of bread,” says 26-year-old Mohammed Abu Shammalah.

He doesn’t only have to worry about keeping his 11 siblings alive amid the relentless Israeli air, naval and artillery strikes, but also how to bring home one of the most basic foods for any family - bread.

It is 6:30 PM, but he can’t go home empty-handed. “There is no food to eat at home, nothing” he says. Even vegetables are becoming expensive as farming land has also become inaccessible to farmers due to the constant bombing for more than 3 weeks.

Shammalah says the biggest problem for many is how the bombing of the electricity plant has forced most of Gaza’s bakeries to shut down. No power equals no fresh bread.

The United Nations Office for Humanitarian Affairs notes in a report published Thursday on food security in Gaza said: “The ongoing reduction of electricity supply will heavily impact the commercial activities, the milling capacity and the bakeries performance.”

The situation in Gaza is one of no supply to meet a huge demand. The owner of the bakery - Mohammed al-Jarwsha- is well aware of this as hundreds of anxious, hungry and hot customers wait outside his shop door.

Shammalah says that his mother might have been able to bake some bread, except that she has no electricity or cooking gas, like so many others in Gaza. Several suppliers of gas cylinders, in Gaza City, are not able to distribute what small supplies they have because of Israel’s present bombing and shelling.

Another factor contributing to the lack of gas is that most distributors are located in parts of eastern Gaza City which are presently inaccessible, following this week’s heavy Israeli bombardment.

Even the dough in his fridge has spoiled as it has no power. There is no doubt in his mind that this is collective punishment.

“This is meant to make us - the people - hate Hamas and turn against it. But the result is the opposite, the people have become closer to Hamas,” he said, as ambulances nearby try to rush through the crowds waiting for bread, shouting at people to let them through.

The lines continue to grow outside in the streets, as more people arrive wanting to buy bread. The process is slow, as all automatic machines are not in use due to the outages of power......

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Anonymous wrote:18:07, well put.

Why can't the Pals in Gaza grow their own food? Build a country? Invest in agriculture or any industry? Do anything other than blame Israel, build rockets and dig tunnels for the purpose of killing Jews? Ahh - its just easier to hate the damn Jews and try to kill them all by lobbing rockets. Every. Single. Day. for 7 years.

18:07 here. Thank you

Apparently, we are too practical for DCUM. . Imagine that!

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Anonymous wrote:Guess they should not have destroyed those greenhouses they were given

I don't know if it is you who continually brings this up, but there are a couple of facts of which you should be aware. At the time the greenhouses were destroyed, Hamas was not in power. The Palestinian Authority -- really just Fatah -- was in power then. The security forces didn't do anything to prevent the looting (nor did they participate) and many Gazans were angry about the destruction. It was one more thing blamed on the PA and it's possible that this incident contributed to the dislike for the PA/Fatah that led to the election victory of Hamas. You also fail to mention that even a greater number of greenhouses were destroyed by settlers before the withdrawal.

Did Arabs destroy some of the greenhouses, or didn't they? If so, they created their own issues for the people of Gaza, just like they do by using human shields, etc. You can continue to put the blame on Israel, but it sounds like there are lots of issues in Gaza and with the Arab leadership in general. Israel, therefore, needs to keep that shit contained. You don't let the gangs take over the neighborhood

Okay, so you aren't actually a rational person. But, for anyone who cares to give actual thought to this, yes, greenhouses were destroyed. No, Hamas didn't do it. No, once it was done it couldn't be undone. But, restrictions on food could be lived at anytime. Israel didn't, and hasn't, lifted them. To act like a one-time action -- however misguided -- is the same as a continuous and ongoing action is pretty obtuse.

Plenty of money to build tunnels though

What good is money if Israel embargoes anything you want to buy with it? The tunnels were used to smuggle food.

I didn't realize that's all they were used for.

How much food can a million dollar plus tunnel buy? How much does it take for a country to grow one's own?

You are a smart man Jeff, and you know this remark is disingenuous

(Gaza) – Israeli forces in the southern Gaza town of Khuza’a fired on and killed civilians in apparent violation of the laws of war in several incidents between July 23 and 25, 2014. Deliberate attacks on civilians who are not participating in the fighting are war crimes.
While the laws of war encourage “advance, effective warnings” of attacks, the failure of civilians to abide by warnings does not make them lawful targets of attack – for obvious reasons, since many people do not flee because of infirmity, fear, lack of a place to go, or any number of other reasons. The remaining presence of such civilians despite a warning to flee cannot be ignored when attacks are carried out, as Israeli forces have done previously.

“Warning families to flee fighting doesn’t make them fair targets just because they’re unable to do so, and deliberately attacking them is a war crime,” Whitson said.

Human Rights Watch investigated several incidents between July 23 and 25 when, local residents said, Israeli forces opened fire on civilians trying to flee Khuza’a, but no Palestinian fighters were present at the time and no firefights were taking place.

On the morning of July 23, Israeli forces ordered a group of about 100 Palestinians in Khuza’a to leave a home in which they had gathered to take shelter, family members said. The first member to leave the house, Shahid al-Najjar, had his hands up but an Israeli soldier shot him in the jaw, seriously injuring him.

Israeli soldiers detained the men and boys over age 15 in an area close to the Gaza perimeter fence. Based on statements from witnesses and news reports, some were taken to Israel for questioning. Israeli forces released others that day, in small separate groups. As one group walked unarmed to Khan Younis, Israeli soldiers fired on them, killing one and wounding two others.

Two older men whom Israeli forces briefly detained near the perimeter fence had been seriously wounded in earlier Israeli bombardments and died soon after being released, two witnesses said. The laws of war provide that wounded civilians and combatants should be given necessary medical care to the fullest extent practicable and with the least possible delay.

In another incident on July 23, Israeli soldiers fired on a group of civilians who had been told to leave their home in Khuza’a, killing Mohammed al-Najjar, a witness said.

One case illustrates the dangers facing civilians both who remain in place and who heed Israeli orders to leave. On July 25, an Israeli strike killed three civilians – Motassem al-Najjar, 5; Kamel al-Najjar, 62; and Salim Qdeih, around 70 – who were among 120 people sheltering in the basement of a home, witnesses said. Another 15 people were wounded. The local Red Cross had difficulty reaching people wounded by shellings in the town. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) reported that on July 25, a Red Crescent volunteer was mortally wounded in an Israeli attack in Khuza’a, and other volunteers who tried to rescue him were fired on. Under the laws of war, medical workers are civilians who may not be targeted for attack.

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Anonymous wrote:Muslima, I suppose you are going to condemn the death of the innocent rabbi crushed to death today due to a Palestinan terrorist driving a bulldozer through Jerusalem, toppling a bus on top of him? Or the solider shot to by a Palestinian terrorist on a motorcycle? Or are you dancing in the streets, handing out sweets to passerby?

Some truce. I guess the truce is only good for Hamas to reload its rocket launchers and shore up the tunnels.

Could you give me more detail, link? I'm actually not in the loop today but would condemn the killing of the rabbi if the facts are true. Thank you

P.S: I don't dance when people die. We must respect the dead, regardless of how they lived. Death is a matter of grief and awe.

Not OP, but a quick Google found this article, among many others.

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, I suppose you are going to condemn the death of the innocent rabbi crushed to death today due to a Palestinan terrorist driving a bulldozer through Jerusalem, toppling a bus on top of him? Or the solider shot to by a Palestinian terrorist on a motorcycle? Or are you dancing in the streets, handing out sweets to passerby?

Some truce. I guess the truce is only good for Hamas to reload its rocket launchers and shore up the tunnels.

Anonymous wrote:Don't believe anything you read on a Hamas/pro-Arab website. All lies. The Hamas government has diverted all of the aid money to build tunnels and bombs. They bear responsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel celebrates the killing of innocents? Please don't share one random article of a random occurrence. Yes, many Palestinians celebrate killing of innocents (9/11 celebrations, celebrations of the London subway attacks, celebrations of suicide bombings, killing of Israelis, all those pictures of kids holding up 3 fingers when the boys were killed, squares named after those that kill en masse---that's a culture of celebrating death). No, Israel doesn't celebrate that. Hell, a number of the most important daily prayers are for all people, Palestinians including.

How do you account for Israelis watching attacks on Gaza from the lawn chairs, social media comments celebrating the death of Gazan kids, or love messages Israeli kids could scribble on bombs going to Lebanon?

Israel certainly doesn't celebrate Jewish death. But it is not exactly mourning the loss of non-Jewish life.

Provide a reference or it did not happen.

On Saturday a group of men huddle around a shisha pipe. Nearly all hold up smartphones to record the explosions or to pose grinning, perhaps with thumbs up, for selfies against a backdrop of black smoke."

I could go on but I suggest you visit the site and read the full account for yourself.

What can one say; outrageous, unconscionable, a complete lack of empathy? People are on a picnic, being boisterous and rowdy taking in the "festivities" and cheering while Palestinian's are being slaughtered.

It's a bit mind boggling.

These people seem completely devoid of human empathy, emotionally detached and unaffected by the suffering of Palestinian's. They're obviously too young to have been victims of the holocaust which saw 6 million of their own exterminated by the Nazi's.
. As one onlooker says, "we come to look at the bombing. It's interesting."

If she and her generation represent the greater Israeli population who disregard and dismiss their government's brutal apartheid and now the massacre of Palestinian's in Gaza there won't ever be reconciliation.

The Palestinian's would have to all be exterminated. Hmm; Isn't that what Hitler had in mind for all the Jews in Europe

Anonymous wrote:More that Muslima 'does not know'. There were indeed such signs - and violence too!!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-israel-supporters-evacuated-under-police-protection-from-front-of-white-house/

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/02/Pro-Palestinian-Tries-to-Light-Counter-Protestors-Israeli-Flag-on-Fire-at-Massive-DC-March

Merica was there covering a pro-Hamas rally by the communist terrorist support group ANSWER being held at Lafayette Park.

Anonymous wrote:Were their signs like "go to back to the ovens", "Hilter was right", "ZioNazis go to hell", like in Boston and NYC? Did the protesters start throwing stones at synagogues and kosher markets, barricading jews inside, vandalizing with swastikas like all across Europe?

Better yet, given that you were protesting against violence to certain peoples, were you also protesting against 200K killed in Syria, the Christians and Muslims killed in Iraq, the hundreds killed in Egypt, the Muslims killed in Turkey, (you know I could go on and on and on), or the Palestinians killed by Hamas for "aiding the enemy"? You know, the ones tied by their feet to a car bumper and dragged through the streets to cheers?

Or what about the Palestinian that took a tractor crane this morning, rammed over a bus, and kept hacking at it today in Jerusalem. at least one killed so far.