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Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PP used quotation marks and may be omitting some other information, such as, did the attacking player play the ball so far in advance of the goalkeeper that it doesn't an obviously goal scoring oppportunity, that the goalkeeper actually had position and was making a move toward the path of the ball such that the attacker actually collided into the goalkeeper?
Attacker had the ball on her foot, dribbled around the goalie, goalie dove (in an effort to knock the ball away), never got the ball, but took the defender's legs out. Right at the top of the 6.
PK, yellow card.
Used to be a red card, but now yellow as long as the keeper made an attempt to play the ball.
Anonymous wrote:SoccerRef wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?
If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.
It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425
Let me know what you think.
In the game itself, Ronaldo received a yellow for that. General consensus of refs that I've seen give it about 50/50 yellow/red.
If I see that in any youth game, it's a red for violent conduct.
If you give a YC, what is the reason...a reckless foul or something else? Problem is that...if the referee blows the whistle for the careless foul of just pushing him over, then the kick after the whistle can't be for a reckless foul, correct? Thanks
Correct, it can't be a foul if the ball isn't in play. The YC would be for Unsporting Behavior.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?
If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.
It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425
Let me know what you think.
In the game itself, Ronaldo received a yellow for that. General consensus of refs that I've seen give it about 50/50 yellow/red.
If I see that in any youth game, it's a red for violent conduct.
Personally, I only ref adult games now.
Just not worth the aggravation to do youth.
Doesn't matter how thick your skin is, or how experienced you are...listening to parents scream all game just isn't enjoyable for me.
Just not worth the aggravation to do youth.
Doesn't matter how thick your skin is, or how experienced you are...listening to parents scream all game just isn't enjoyable for me.
Anonymous wrote:SoccerRef wrote:Anonymous wrote:For people who ref, are there particular leagues or age groups where inappropriate parent behavior seems to be more common?
Leagues, no...pretty even across the board.
I've found it's the worst on high skill level, mid aged (U10-U13 or so) groups, where many parents feel they're soccer experts because their kids are good...as they get older, fewer parents tend to come to games, and the kids don't want any part of their parents screaming any more than the ref does.
Saw my cousin's boy playing a U16 tournament, and he was yelling not at the refs but against the other parents.
I joked that college scouts would note that the boy is good, but the dad is a problem.
Question, on throw-ins do refs focus on where the ball is going and any interaction between two players there, or do they stay fixed on does the thrower pick up his feet? Looking for how much the thrower should focus on keeping his feet down- all the way until it is caught or just thru his release?
Depends on the age, and if there are multiple refs.
Most refs tend to be sticklers on throw in form for younger kids, when they should be learning.
On older games, it has to be REALLY obvious to get called.
And if it's a one ref game, they should be in a position where they see both the thrower and where they think it'll go, but all things being equal, focusing on the other players is more important.
And through the release is fine.
Anonymous wrote:For people who ref, are there particular leagues or age groups where inappropriate parent behavior seems to be more common?
Leagues, no...pretty even across the board.
I've found it's the worst on high skill level, mid aged (U10-U13 or so) groups, where many parents feel they're soccer experts because their kids are good...as they get older, fewer parents tend to come to games, and the kids don't want any part of their parents screaming any more than the ref does.
Anonymous wrote:We have multiple kids in various sports and while our oldest is doing well and enjoying his travel soccer team, our younger son is on a U9 team in the same club and having a not-so-great experience. He thrives based on encouragement and so far, the coaching has been extremely impersonal. It’s also clear that the coach plays favorites, but we expected that. We don’t put too much stake in it all at this age and don’t need anything super intense, but also recognize that these are formative years in a sport that he considers his favorite. Are there any U9 travel teams in the area you’ve had a positive experience with? A coach that wants to actually form a relationship and help the kids grow without too many politics?
Where are you?
Anonymous wrote:
Also recognize the best refs out there are not working your DS or DD’s game.
Criticizing those refs is like going all Karen at a McDonald’s employee for getting your order wrong.
Lower your standards and expectations
This.
100% this.
It constantly amazes me that people are surprised that the ref on their kids' third division U10 game isn't very good.
No kidding. The ref is probably at the same skill level, from a referee perspective, as your kid is at soccer.
Any ref with any real skill is being pleaded with right now to work MLS Next or high level ECNL games.
When I started, you had to work your way up to games like that, and reaching Academy level was big deal.
No more.
So unless you're a really high level team, please stop expecting good refs.
Not to say that there aren't good refs on every level, there certainly are, but they're doing you a favor if they're doing low level youth.
RantingSoccerDad wrote:Anonymous wrote:RantingSoccerDad wrote:Anonymous wrote:This happened two times with my kids’ teams. Once moms talking and joking about girl players’ bodies, and once dads talking about “the aggressive culture” of a non white player. These comments were made within earshot of players, and I reported them to the league both times. No regrets.
Did the league do anything? After a tournament game I reffed in the fall, I informed one club's league that the coach had told me she didn't care if her players hurt the other team. (U-10, folks.) Never heard a word in response.
Rather than complaining to the league, you should have used cards and sent off a couple of players, if they targeted the opposing team players. I frequently see dangerous play unpunished by refs and the only time I see refs show red is for dissent. I know they are young kids, but you can warn them and if they keep doing it, you should teach them a lesson.
I should've carded one player. The parents would've killed me, so you'd be reading this from my ghost, but I agree.
The coach didn't say one word until after the game, when she berated me for all the fouls I'd called. Clever, I suppose. Wait until after the game so you don't get tossed.
You can toss a player or a coach after the game as well. Won’t change the game that just ended, but hopefully it’ll mean a suspension in future games.
Edit. Whoops, saw someone already responded similarly. Oh well.
For the big clubs, it’s rare.
Once a kid goes down, they’re more likely to give someone else in the club, or an outside recruit, the chance on the higher team.
Once a kid goes down, they’re more likely to give someone else in the club, or an outside recruit, the chance on the higher team.
Anonymous wrote:Trying to get DS AND myself into a reffing class and it appears the boat has left the slip for the year... I would have thought summer would be a good time to get the training out of the way in prep to Ref next fall. No such luck. I keep hearing about shortages but getting the training is not easy from what I can see.
You should be able to do the online portion of the certification now, and the in field portion should be scheduled soon.
Sure.
If soccer programs made it clear to the parents that yelling at the refs is unacceptable, and actually enforced it by benching kids if the parents are loud, that would be a big boost.
I’ve reffed with a lot of younger refs, and they’re always shocked by the parents behavior.
Coaches, everyone expects and can deal with. Parents, frankly, are the ones that really scare the young refs off.
And sure, more money certainly wouldn’t hurt.
And for people complaining about “center circle refs”…yes, it’s not ideal, but don’t forget that the ref may be on his fourth or fifth game of the day, especially if it’s a tournament.
If soccer programs made it clear to the parents that yelling at the refs is unacceptable, and actually enforced it by benching kids if the parents are loud, that would be a big boost.
I’ve reffed with a lot of younger refs, and they’re always shocked by the parents behavior.
Coaches, everyone expects and can deal with. Parents, frankly, are the ones that really scare the young refs off.
And sure, more money certainly wouldn’t hurt.
And for people complaining about “center circle refs”…yes, it’s not ideal, but don’t forget that the ref may be on his fourth or fifth game of the day, especially if it’s a tournament.
RantingSoccerDad wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you guys do if you have an urgent need to take a dump during the game?
Kegels.
Your answer was much nicer than mine.
I was going to say that it doesn't really matter, because there are already 22 little sh*ts on the field.
Anonymous wrote:RantingSoccerDad Curious why you respond first to a joke post instead of addressing some of the real questions about bias and racism?
Possibly because if people see bias and racism, there's nothing we can say to refute it?
We ref games with people of every age, sex, race and nationality, and do our bests to be objective in every way.
Not quite sure what you want to hear beyond that, and not sure how to address unconscious bias, since it's, well, unconscious.
Anonymous wrote:Are there any resources for current referees to get better such as clinics, webinars, etc. besides just reading the Laws and recertification training? If a referee wants to bounce some questions off of someone, is there a person who handles questions a young referee may have?
The State Referee Association has a lot of resources for all the things you mentioned.
http://marylandreferees.com/msr2/