Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teenage refs are influenced from parents yelling.

DD had a game yesterday and every time a parent yelled from the other team a foul was called. There were numerous of the same foul's on MY DD's team, but the parents don't usually yell and let the refs do their job. These fouls were the same as the fouls on the other team, but the only difference is the other team's parents would be more vocal. All 3 refs appeared to be under 18 yrs of age and this is an ECNL game.

Also, one AR had called offsides and the ball went out of bounds, which resulted in a corner kick, but the main ref didn't even look to the AR at all and immediately went to the corner kick. The AR put their flag down and let the play continue which resulted in a goal off the corner kick.

THE AR SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING TO THE REF THAT IT WAS OFFSIDES BEFORE THE CORNER KICK EVEN HAPPENED!!

I don't mind teenager's refereeing games, but if you aren't going to uphold your own call, then you shouldn't be a referee.

Again the criticism illustrates the problem: as a referee I hear this as the parent believes the AR got a call right and the Center missed it and the result was a goal off a corner. Assuming the parent is correct (which is a big assumption) so what? Mistakes are made, that is frustrating but part of the game. Even when the mistakes are caught as this weekend when i saw my AR stand with flag up after a goal indicating offsides instead of running to center, we conferred and ruled it offsides and no goal, guess what? Yep a barrage of abuse started at us because we attempted to do our best on a split second judgment call.

PP here - The problem is the Ref and the AR did not have a conversation and discuss what the right call was which was offsides as the AR had put the flag up. The AR should have gotten the Ref's attention to discuss, but she didn't and the Ref made his own call.

And now parents are posting in all caps that they don’t want the referees who reffed their game back. On a thread about ref shortage.

Oh well

+1 this illustrates the problem well.

Parents and coaches shouldn’t lose their minds and berate the referee if a call is missed. I saw a referee recently eject a coach for screaming profanities about a call he didn’t like and was happy to see the ref cut that behavior.

Anonymous wrote:Here is an example of the parental lunacy:

Posting video of a close offsides/non offsides call in a game
An AR is running in the background in good position and no flag goes up but instead of accepting a close judgment call by the Center and AR or understanding blue 5 made the wrong defensive choice taking herself out of position, instead we post on the Internet seeking affirmation that we were wronged horribly. Weird adult behavior to take away from your child’s sport. I can only imagine the car rides home: Princess you were wronged that wasn’t a goal let’s storm the capitol and sit in the speakers chair

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FdCXre8eoMY&t=1s

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is an example of the parental lunacy:

Posting video of a close offsides/non offsides call in a game
An AR is running in the background in good position and no flag goes up but instead of accepting a close judgment call by the Center and AR or understanding blue 5 made the wrong defensive choice taking herself out of position, instead we post on the Internet seeking affirmation that we were wronged horribly. Weird adult behavior to take away from your child’s sport. I can only imagine the car rides home: Princess you were wronged that wasn’t a goal let’s storm the capitol and sit in the speakers chair

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FdCXre8eoMY&t=1s

I have no ties to any of the people who posted this video or anyone playing in this video or any of the officials. So I watched this video and I said..."boy, she looks offside. I can see how that's frustrating." The video ended and some other video of the parent played on YouTube. It was some good editing and very short. Next video was the entire match that included this clip of the "offside goal". Arlington vs GFR 09G ECNL-R So I fast forwarded through the video to see this sequence during the full video. The editing including the score and time so it was pretty easy to find. With that said...I want to add that the AR on the far side of the field dressed in official referee kit so I assume she is a certified referee. I say this because sometimes centers who use parent linesmen don't allow uncertified linesmen to call offside. So I'm assuming the far AR is a certified referee. What you don't see in the short clip is that this AR actually raised her flag to signal the offside but the center ref either didn't look at her or over ruled her because he awarded the goal and then blew his whistle to end the first half. Quite puzzling. With that said...the AR did not raise the flag directly over her head to indicate offside. She raised it level. Maybe the center didn't see the flag because of this. Not sure. The correct mechanics are to raise your flag straight up. Once the center blows his/her whistle and acknowledges offside, then the AR lowers the flag to indicate where on the field the offside occurred. 10/11 o'clock = far third of the field. 9 o'clock is middle third of the field, 7/8 0'clock is near third of the field. In addition, after a goal is scored, the AR should run up the sideline 15-20 yards. When the center saw the AR standing still that should have indicated a problem. However, the AR just put her flag down and walked away. She should have stood there until the center came over to discuss. So quite a few things going on here. So when I first watched the video I thought it was an example of parents losing their mind over an offside that wasn't called by the AR that lead to a goal. There was a little more to it. And it doesn't even sound like the parents tore up the ref. Anyway...

Anonymous wrote:Here is an example of the parental lunacy:

Posting video of a close offsides/non offsides call in a game
An AR is running in the background in good position and no flag goes up but instead of accepting a close judgment call by the Center and AR or understanding blue 5 made the wrong defensive choice taking herself out of position, instead we post on the Internet seeking affirmation that we were wronged horribly. Weird adult behavior to take away from your child’s sport. I can only imagine the car rides home: Princess you were wronged that wasn’t a goal let’s storm the capitol and sit in the speakers chair


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FdCXre8eoMY&t=1s

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is an example of the parental lunacy:

Posting video of a close offsides/non offsides call in a game
An AR is running in the background in good position and no flag goes up but instead of accepting a close judgment call by the Center and AR or understanding blue 5 made the wrong defensive choice taking herself out of position, instead we post on the Internet seeking affirmation that we were wronged horribly. Weird adult behavior to take away from your child’s sport. I can only imagine the car rides home: Princess you were wronged that wasn’t a goal let’s storm the capitol and sit in the speakers chair

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FdCXre8eoMY&t=1s

I have no ties to any of the people who posted this video or anyone playing in this video or any of the officials. So I watched this video and I said..."boy, she looks offside. I can see how that's frustrating." The video ended and some other video of the parent played on YouTube. It was some good editing and very short. Next video was the entire match that included this clip of the "offside goal". Arlington vs GFR 09G ECNL-R So I fast forwarded through the video to see this sequence during the full video. The editing including the score and time so it was pretty easy to find. With that said...I want to add that the AR on the far side of the field dressed in official referee kit so I assume she is a certified referee. I say this because sometimes centers who use parent linesmen don't allow uncertified linesmen to call offside. So I'm assuming the far AR is a certified referee. What you don't see in the short clip is that this AR actually raised her flag to signal the offside but the center ref either didn't look at her or over ruled her because he awarded the goal and then blew his whistle to end the first half. Quite puzzling. With that said...the AR did not raise the flag directly over her head to indicate offside. She raised it level. Maybe the center didn't see the flag because of this. Not sure. The correct mechanics are to raise your flag straight up. Once the center blows his/her whistle and acknowledges offside, then the AR lowers the flag to indicate where on the field the offside occurred. 10/11 o'clock = far third of the field. 9 o'clock is middle third of the field, 7/8 0'clock is near third of the field. In addition, after a goal is scored, the AR should run up the sideline 15-20 yards. When the center saw the AR standing still that should have indicated a problem. However, the AR just put her flag down and walked away. She should have stood there until the center came over to discuss. So quite a few things going on here. So when I first watched the video I thought it was an example of parents losing their mind over an offside that wasn't called by the AR that lead to a goal. There was a little more to it. And it doesn't even sound like the parents tore up the ref. Anyway...

Good work Watson!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is an example of the parental lunacy:

Posting video of a close offsides/non offsides call in a game
An AR is running in the background in good position and no flag goes up but instead of accepting a close judgment call by the Center and AR or understanding blue 5 made the wrong defensive choice taking herself out of position, instead we post on the Internet seeking affirmation that we were wronged horribly. Weird adult behavior to take away from your child’s sport. I can only imagine the car rides home: Princess you were wronged that wasn’t a goal let’s storm the capitol and sit in the speakers chair

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FdCXre8eoMY&t=1s

I have no ties to any of the people who posted this video or anyone playing in this video or any of the officials. So I watched this video and I said..."boy, she looks offside. I can see how that's frustrating." The video ended and some other video of the parent played on YouTube. It was some good editing and very short. Next video was the entire match that included this clip of the "offside goal". Arlington vs GFR 09G ECNL-R So I fast forwarded through the video to see this sequence during the full video. The editing including the score and time so it was pretty easy to find. With that said...I want to add that the AR on the far side of the field dressed in official referee kit so I assume she is a certified referee. I say this because sometimes centers who use parent linesmen don't allow uncertified linesmen to call offside. So I'm assuming the far AR is a certified referee. What you don't see in the short clip is that this AR actually raised her flag to signal the offside but the center ref either didn't look at her or over ruled her because he awarded the goal and then blew his whistle to end the first half. Quite puzzling. With that said...the AR did not raise the flag directly over her head to indicate offside. She raised it level. Maybe the center didn't see the flag because of this. Not sure. The correct mechanics are to raise your flag straight up. Once the center blows his/her whistle and acknowledges offside, then the AR lowers the flag to indicate where on the field the offside occurred. 10/11 o'clock = far third of the field. 9 o'clock is middle third of the field, 7/8 0'clock is near third of the field. In addition, after a goal is scored, the AR should run up the sideline 15-20 yards. When the center saw the AR standing still that should have indicated a problem. However, the AR just put her flag down and walked away. She should have stood there until the center came over to discuss. So quite a few things going on here. So when I first watched the video I thought it was an example of parents losing their mind over an offside that wasn't called by the AR that lead to a goal. There was a little more to it. And it doesn't even sound like the parents tore up the ref. Anyway...

Good work Watson!

The point is that parents are posting close calls on the internet for affirmation of their criticism/ignorance

In the full video the goal did not count and was disallowed my dear Watson, and it was a parent AR on the far side raising his flag as well from a position he could not make a call. OP correctly posted this as an example of having close calls posted and questioned

SoccerRef wrote:Personally, I only ref adult games now.
Just not worth the aggravation to do youth.

Doesn't matter how thick your skin is, or how experienced you are...listening to parents scream all game just isn't enjoyable for me.

SoccerRef wrote:Personally, I only ref adult games now.
Just not worth the aggravation to do youth.

Doesn't matter how thick your skin is, or how experienced you are...listening to parents scream all game just isn't enjoyable for me.

Anonymous wrote:

SoccerRef wrote:Personally, I only ref adult games now.
Just not worth the aggravation to do youth.

Doesn't matter how thick your skin is, or how experienced you are...listening to parents scream all game just isn't enjoyable for me.

You're part of the problem.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

SoccerRef wrote:Personally, I only ref adult games now.
Just not worth the aggravation to do youth.

Doesn't matter how thick your skin is, or how experienced you are...listening to parents scream all game just isn't enjoyable for me.

You're part of the problem.

Is this a troll post? How is someone deciding not to deal with crazy parents part of the problem? Wouldn’t the aggravation in youth soccer be the problem?

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

SoccerRef wrote:Personally, I only ref adult games now.
Just not worth the aggravation to do youth.

Doesn't matter how thick your skin is, or how experienced you are...listening to parents scream all game just isn't enjoyable for me.

You're part of the problem.

Is this a troll post? How is someone deciding not to deal with crazy parents part of the problem? Wouldn’t the aggravation in youth soccer be the problem?

Did you not see the subject line? There's a referee shortage and this guy is part of that problem.

Because he's not doing youth games?

Does that mean you *are*?