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Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because he creates a hostile work environment for minorities employed at the gym.
How? If he's not insulting them or hurting them?
The kid is a high schooler. Don't lower yourself to the discourse or logic of a child.
So no answer. In your Leftist mind, anyone who doesn't swallow the racial narrative must be crazy. Sorry to tell ya, but there are plenty of decent people who find critical race theory laughable.
No. I do not engage with children with under developed brains. Yes. In extremes it can be easily dismissed but you cannot ignore race, power and other structural issues and historical context
You mean like those morons at Midlebury childishly protesting Dr. Charles Murray.
nope. You. Your childish logic and questions as related to this thread specifically. How you cannot understand how someone known to publicly promote hostile ideology could possibly create a hostile work environment for minorities. Think of a KKK member working out in full gear without saying a work. But the cloak and public ideology is still screaming loudly at the person.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11089/5-things-know-about-alt-right-leader-richard-aaron-bandler
2. Spencer wants America to become a white ethno-centric nation. Spencer declared in 2013, "We need an ethno-state so that our people can 'come home again,' can live amongst family and feel safe and secure," per the Washington Post. Spencer's desire for the white ethno-state stems from his racist belief "that Hispanics and African Americans have lower average IQs than whites and are more genetically predisposed to commit crimes," according to Mother Jones.
I DO understand why people may feel uncomfortable around him. Sorry, but you have to deal with people you're not comfortable around. Otherwise, we might as well create gyms, restaurants, stores, etc, exclusively for those we agree with.
Time to watch again and reflect on who you are talking about. Not just the run of the mill Trump supporters that are scared white men and semi closeted racists. But a full scale supremacist
https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/510533/rebranding-white-nationalism-inside-the-alt-right/
I've said it several times. I am NOT a fan of this guy. I just don't like the way the gym handled this.
Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because he creates a hostile work environment for minorities employed at the gym.
How? If he's not insulting them or hurting them?
The kid is a high schooler. Don't lower yourself to the discourse or logic of a child.
So no answer. In your Leftist mind, anyone who doesn't swallow the racial narrative must be crazy. Sorry to tell ya, but there are plenty of decent people who find critical race theory laughable.
Again.. you are being dense. His mere presence makes people feel uncomfortable, especially for minorities. DP. You must be a white guy. Your white privilege is showing. Even my white DH would leave if this guy entered the room. That, or confront his racist views.
Well how far do you wanna stretch the "comfort" thing? Again, let's use Buchanan or any opponent of same-sex marriage as an example. What if a gay guy felt uncomfortable around Buchanan at the gym because he opposes gay marriage? Should Buchanan be booted out? Where do you draw the line? If you're saying boot out white supremacists, that's understandable. But you have to be able to deal with people you're not comfortable around. That's a part of life.
Again, you are dense. Buchanan doesn't advocate for removing all gays from this country. I don't think you are aware of even half of what Spencer has stated.
And while I can deal with racists in a room, I wouldn't want to have to pay for being in a club in the same room with him. I'm paying for that membership. As a the gym owner, would I want to lose one member, or many.
Spencer can say what he wants. But the rest of us don't have to accept, listen or be in the same room with him. So, if I choose to take my business elsewhere, then the business owner would be smart to remove the person who is offensive.
And again, let's be clear. This is not about politics, but about someone who espouse hatred. Would you want to be in the same room with a person who wants to kick your kind of the country; who thinks you are a degenerate?[/quote]
I frankly wouldn't care unless he brings it up or tries to physically hurt me. I understand what you guys are saying, and I respect your position. I just don't like what the gym did. If they had kicked him and the professor out, I'd be fine with it.
Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because he creates a hostile work environment for minorities employed at the gym.
How? If he's not insulting them or hurting them?
The kid is a high schooler. Don't lower yourself to the discourse or logic of a child.
So no answer. In your Leftist mind, anyone who doesn't swallow the racial narrative must be crazy. Sorry to tell ya, but there are plenty of decent people who find critical race theory laughable.
No. I do not engage with children with under developed brains. Yes. In extremes it can be easily dismissed but you cannot ignore race, power and other structural issues and historical context
You mean like those morons at Midlebury childishly protesting Dr. Charles Murray.
nope. You. Your childish logic and questions as related to this thread specifically. How you cannot understand how someone known to publicly promote hostile ideology could possibly create a hostile work environment for minorities. Think of a KKK member working out in full gear without saying a work. But the cloak and public ideology is still screaming loudly at the person.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11089/5-things-know-about-alt-right-leader-richard-aaron-bandler
2. Spencer wants America to become a white ethno-centric nation. Spencer declared in 2013, "We need an ethno-state so that our people can 'come home again,' can live amongst family and feel safe and secure," per the Washington Post. Spencer's desire for the white ethno-state stems from his racist belief "that Hispanics and African Americans have lower average IQs than whites and are more genetically predisposed to commit crimes," according to Mother Jones.
I DO understand why people may feel uncomfortable around him. Sorry, but you have to deal with people you're not comfortable around. Otherwise, we might as well create gyms, restaurants, stores, etc, exclusively for those we agree with.
Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because he creates a hostile work environment for minorities employed at the gym.
How? If he's not insulting them or hurting them?
The kid is a high schooler. Don't lower yourself to the discourse or logic of a child.
So no answer. In your Leftist mind, anyone who doesn't swallow the racial narrative must be crazy. Sorry to tell ya, but there are plenty of decent people who find critical race theory laughable.
Again.. you are being dense. His mere presence makes people feel uncomfortable, especially for minorities. DP. You must be a white guy. Your white privilege is showing. Even my white DH would leave if this guy entered the room. That, or confront his racist views.
Well how far do you wanna stretch the "comfort" thing? Again, let's use Buchanan or any opponent of same-sex marriage as an example. What if a gay guy felt uncomfortable around Buchanan at the gym because he opposes gay marriage? Should Buchanan be booted out? Where do you draw the line? If you're saying boot out white supremacists, that's understandable. But you have to be able to deal with people you're not comfortable around. That's a part of life.
Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because he creates a hostile work environment for minorities employed at the gym.
How? If he's not insulting them or hurting them?
The kid is a high schooler. Don't lower yourself to the discourse or logic of a child.
So no answer. In your Leftist mind, anyone who doesn't swallow the racial narrative must be crazy. Sorry to tell ya, but there are plenty of decent people who find critical race theory laughable.
No. I do not engage with children with under developed brains. Yes. In extremes it can be easily dismissed but you cannot ignore race, power and other structural issues and historical context
You mean like those morons at Midlebury childishly protesting Dr. Charles Murray.
Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because he creates a hostile work environment for minorities employed at the gym.
How? If he's not insulting them or hurting them?
The kid is a high schooler. Don't lower yourself to the discourse or logic of a child.
So no answer. In your Leftist mind, anyone who doesn't swallow the racial narrative must be crazy. Sorry to tell ya, but there are plenty of decent people who find critical race theory laughable.
Anonymous wrote:Because he creates a hostile work environment for minorities employed at the gym.
How? If he's not insulting them or hurting them?
I'm a reluctant Republican. Jim Webb is my favorite Dem. I'd vote for Webb over most Republicans. Very sensible guy.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.
Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?
I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.
But why should holding this view get his gym membership revoked?
DP.. you're being dense. If most of the members find him offensive and feel uncomfortable with him being there, then the gym made a business decision to remove that person. And no, it's not the same thing as removing a minority or a gay person from a membership.
Paleo is just regurgitating from his alt right reading. I think a direct copy of this. Advise. Do better research. Think more for yourself.
https://altright.com/2017/05/22/crazy-cat-lady-professor-harrases-alt-right-leader-richard-spencer-at-gym/
What has the world come to that a White man can’t even be left alone to make gains in peace? Naturally, the Free Market sided with a psychopathic post-menopausal schitzo. Richard got banned, and she did not. But there is a ray of good news.
I don't read AltRight stuff. I read Chronicles Magazine, The American Conservative, The American Interest, The Imaginitive Conservative, and The Orthosphere
Add one or two left leaning sources. To balance. NPR? Think and compare the views of different sources. Right now you sound like a parrot without a fully formed frontal lobe.
https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/510533/rebranding-white-nationalism-inside-the-alt-right/
And this
http://thepointnews.com/2017/03/steve-bannon-from-rebranding-white-nationalism-to-advising-the-president
Perhaps this can help you understand the concern over normalizing people like Spencer and even Bannon
https://www.google.com/amp/www.vox.com/platform/amp/identities/2016/12/7/13802640/white-nationalists-alt-right-racism-bannon-spencer-trump
The problem with low brow teen semi intellectuals is that they are afraid of challenging their beliefs. College will be tough.
Pales here
I do occasionally look at NPR, and the Atlantic publishes some interesting stuff. I was just giving you guys an idea of what I read regularly. I'll certainly get my views challenged at St. John's, but all of the classes are discussion based. No indoctrination
Sure.... according to wiki. A former writer of one of your trash sources
From March to December 2007, Spencer was assistant editor at The American Conservative magazine. According to founding editor Scott McConnell, Spencer was fired from The American Conservative because his views were considered too extreme.[13] From January 2008 to December 2009, he was executive editor of Taki's Magazine.[18]
In March 2010, Spencer founded AlternativeRight.com, a website he edited until 2012. He has stated that he created the term alt-right.[9]
The American Conservative is not a "trash source" They fired Spencer for a reason.
Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:I think this is the first fairly civil discussion I've had on this forum.( no fights or personal attacks) I hope we can agree to disagree. Great discussion guys.
A white supremacist is still a white supremacist. Nothing to agree or disagree on there.
Right. I was talking about the question of whether the gym should've kicked him out. We can agree to disagree there.
I think this is the first fairly civil discussion I've had on this forum.( no fights or personal attacks) I hope we can agree to disagree. Great discussion guys.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.
Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?
I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.
But why should holding this view get his gym membership revoked?
DP.. you're being dense. If most of the members find him offensive and feel uncomfortable with him being there, then the gym made a business decision to remove that person. And no, it's not the same thing as removing a minority or a gay person from a membership.
Paleo is just regurgitating from his alt right reading. I think a direct copy of this. Advise. Do better research. Think more for yourself.
https://altright.com/2017/05/22/crazy-cat-lady-professor-harrases-alt-right-leader-richard-spencer-at-gym/
What has the world come to that a White man can’t even be left alone to make gains in peace? Naturally, the Free Market sided with a psychopathic post-menopausal schitzo. Richard got banned, and she did not. But there is a ray of good news.
I don't read AltRight stuff. I read Chronicles Magazine, The American Conservative, The American Interest, The Imaginitive Conservative, and The Orthosphere
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.
Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?
I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.
But why should holding this view get his gym membership revoked?
Didn't you just finish your first year of college? Shouldn't you be slightly past this kind of simplistic question?
Here, I'll say it in conservative speak: the business doesn't want to be affiliated with Nazis. It is their right to discontinue having him as a client. Read the disgusting things tweeted to the woman who confronted him. It's a disgusting look into the underbelly of America. The gym doesn't want that kind of filth getting all over their gym.
He is the high school kid (with the low gpa and test scores) that trolls the college forum. I think community college or jail is where he is headed
How kind of you. Just trying to have a discussion, and you attack me personally. I'm headed to St. John's College this fall BTW. I got a 28 on my ACT. Maybe that's low in DCUM land, but it got me into some pretty decent schools.
Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.
Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?
I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.
But why should holding this view get his gym membership revoked?
Didn't you just finish your first year of college? Shouldn't you be slightly past this kind of simplistic question?
Here, I'll say it in conservative speak: the business doesn't want to be affiliated with Nazis. It is their right to discontinue having him as a client. Read the disgusting things tweeted to the woman who confronted him. It's a disgusting look into the underbelly of America. The gym doesn't want that kind of filth getting all over their gym.
Just finished up my last year at prep school. I'm headed to college this fall. I've already said I think it's the righ decision from a vuisness prospective. I just wish the leaders of this gym had a spine. Take a stand and lose some customers. Why did they ever let him join in the first place, if it's such a big deal?
Anonymous wrote:PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:I read the story about this in the WaPo. I agree that the professor should have been kicked out, too -- you shouldn't yell at patrons. That said, a private gym has the right to exclude Nazis if they want to.
The gym certainly has the right to do it. I just don't understand why they did it. Before long, Right-wingers will have to establish private gyms exclusively for Right-wingers.
Already have them
What do you mean?