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Anonymous
The Philistines aren’t Palestinians. Palestinian is originally a Greek word that was given to the Kingdom of Judea after it was conquered. It had nothing to do with Arabs. |
Anonymous
But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s. This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric. |
Anonymous
and you don't see any parallels there to Zionism and Theodore Herzl? |
Anonymous
This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years. |
Anonymous
I mean, some Zionists had violent desires. But the difference is that Jews actually did have a sovereign, clear identity in the region going back to the Kingdom of Judea. Even now, it’s clear Jews are ethnically distinct from anyone else. Jews aren’t a subset of a larger ethnicity that formed an identity in opposition to another group. |
Anonymous
Denying that Egypt *was* a country. |
Anonymous
Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that. But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later. |
Anonymous
This is what Wikipedia has to say about it. Muslims -in the majority for centuries. Who do you think will live there after the destruction of the Temple and economic migrations? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region) |
Anonymous
Huh? No it wasn't. It was a separate people and a separate kingdom, ironically located in Gaza. |
Anonymous
Again, I’m talking about Palestinians as a distinct people. Not Muslims or Arabs in general. Palestinians now identify as a distinct people. That is a relatively new phenomenon. But as it happened, after the destruction of the Temple, that land was Roman and then Christian. It didn’t become Muslim until the 1500s. |
Anonymous
I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else. |
Anonymous
The Philistines? They disappeared into the Persian Empire. The Philistines (Hebrew: פְּלִשְׁתִּים, romanized: Pəlīštīm; Koine Greek (LXX): Φυλιστιείμ, romanized: Phulistieím) were an ancient people who lived on the south coast of Canaan during the Iron Age. The Philistines originated as an immigrant group from the Aegean that settled in Canaan circa 1175 BCE. Over time, they gradually assimilated elements of the local Levantine societies while preserving their own unique culture.[1] In 604 BCE, the Philistine polity, after having already been subjugated for centuries by the Neo-Assyrian Empire, was finally destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar II of the Neo-Babylonian Empire.[2] After becoming part of his empire and its successor, the Persian Empire, they lost their distinct ethnic identity and disappeared from the historical and archaeological record by the late 5th century BCE.[3] |
Anonymous
Wrong. If we’re talking literally about what is now Israel, the land was: 1. Jewish 2. Then Roman 3. Then Christian 4. Muslims came in around the 1500s 5. Brits took it over and made it Mandatory Palestine, which had 500,000 Jews and 1 million Muslims We’re focusing here specifically on the land in question, not the Middle East in general. |
Anonymous
| Okay thats fine, they may not have given themselves an official nationality until the late 1800s. But they were always a people. And a people living under British and French colonial rule. Are other nationalities that only declared themselves 130 years ago also illegitimatrle to you? |
Anonymous
Where are you getting your British Palestine numbers from? |