Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Twisted how people can rationalize Israel starving millions of people and killing thousands to punish a group of bad actors. Yikes.

War is awful. You have to ask why did Hamas choose to invade Israel and murder 1400 innocent civilians, injure thousands more, rape hundreds of women, torture children, and kidnap more than 200 people, including old women and babies? Hamas declared war on Israel. They started it. I also feel terrible for the innocent Germans that died in WWII. But Germany invaded Poland and then reaped the consequences. It's the nature of war. And this war was brought by Hamas.

And they’re holding hundreds of Israelis hostage. I’m pretty sure the US would rain hell on an any other country for doing the same, which is why countries leave us alone. Hamas has the power to end this. But it doesn’t want to. It wants the blood of its own people to serve their cause, which is the annihilation of Israel. Luckily it seems as though a regional conflict is not yet happening that would tip the balance in Hamas’ favor. I believe the neighbors don’t care much for Hamas either.

Israelis have committed atrocious crimes since 10/7 and before by hiding behind this statement, actually it is Israelis annihilating Palestinians. Change the victim script, the new reality is the oppressor script. Also, all this talk about Israel trying to do fight blah blah means nothing, if U.S withdraws the support tomorrow you and I both know how long Israelis can sustain the fight. U.S support has harmed the region because Israelis have never had to resort to diplomatic solutions with their neighbors, they have always taken the stance of an aggressor and oppressor because they know that U.S politicians are bought and paid for by AIPAC.

I really don’t need you to lecture me about what Hamas is. It’s pretty clear you’re uncomfortable with the truth though. Hamas needs to go, and I’m pretty sure its days are numbered. No one like them.

Sure, you mean Palestinian civilians need to go so that your blood lust can be satisfied. Got it.

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No. I think pp got it right. Hamas needs to go. They are the ones that are too cowardly to actually fight soldiers. They prefer to take their aggression out on innocent civilians. They asked for this war. And, they could stop it in an instant. But, they won't. Their leaders are sitting safely in posh apartments in other countries. They don't have to worry about becoming casualties.

No dog in this fight, other than as a concerned global citizen.

That said, are we being serious here? You think these Hamas militants / terrorists should march out into a big open square so a drone can dispose of them efficiently? Sadly, there's no option for hand to hand combat with these two groups because both sides are overflowing with cowards who either use force asymmetry or dense urban sprawl to keep the other side at bay.

No. Hamas can hand over the hostages and surrender. A new government will be installed. Essentially we are looking at regime change in Gaza. That’s the end game.

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Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.

That’s quite the definition of underdog.

The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.

I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.

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Exactly.

Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.

I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.

Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?

Uncle Sam, back at it again!

Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)

Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?

The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.

Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.

This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)

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Anonymous wrote:Twisted how people can rationalize Israel starving millions of people and killing thousands to punish a group of bad actors. Yikes.

War is awful. You have to ask why did Hamas choose to invade Israel and murder 1400 innocent civilians, injure thousands more, rape hundreds of women, torture children, and kidnap more than 200 people, including old women and babies? Hamas declared war on Israel. They started it. I also feel terrible for the innocent Germans that died in WWII. But Germany invaded Poland and then reaped the consequences. It's the nature of war. And this war was brought by Hamas.

And they’re holding hundreds of Israelis hostage. I’m pretty sure the US would rain hell on an any other country for doing the same, which is why countries leave us alone. Hamas has the power to end this. But it doesn’t want to. It wants the blood of its own people to serve their cause, which is the annihilation of Israel. Luckily it seems as though a regional conflict is not yet happening that would tip the balance in Hamas’ favor. I believe the neighbors don’t care much for Hamas either.

Israelis have committed atrocious crimes since 10/7 and before by hiding behind this statement, actually it is Israelis annihilating Palestinians. Change the victim script, the new reality is the oppressor script. Also, all this talk about Israel trying to do fight blah blah means nothing, if U.S withdraws the support tomorrow you and I both know how long Israelis can sustain the fight. U.S support has harmed the region because Israelis have never had to resort to diplomatic solutions with their neighbors, they have always taken the stance of an aggressor and oppressor because they know that U.S politicians are bought and paid for by AIPAC.

This is why they are spending so much time on sites like this--get Americans to hate Isreal and that will be the end of Isreal. No need to fight Isreal themselves, make the Americans think Isreal should not fight back at least (oh it needs to stop bothering poor us it is genocide leave us alone!) and at worst thar Israel is illegitimate.

The US is never going to withdraw support from Israel because the alternative is not acceptable. That doesn’t mean it’s a blank check. But that fever dream that the US will suddenly say “we’re out” because Israel is being to aggressive against Hamas? That’s an interesting one.

Yeah, I agree. Over time, I think the limit of the blank check may be affected by current events. But for manifold reasons (some good, some bad), the bed has been made and it ain't un-making itself in our lifetimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.

That’s quite the definition of underdog.

The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.

I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.

+1

Exactly.

Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.

I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.

Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?

Uncle Sam, back at it again!

Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)

Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?

The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.

Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.

This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why does everything distill into "You hate the Jews"? This pathological need to label others as anti-semitic, without even knowing who they are, what they believe, or anything else is staggering to me. Nothing in anything I've written here or elsewhere in my lifetime expressed hatred for Jewish people. Do you just assign hatred whenever someone doesn't fold in the echo chamber and calls BS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Twisted how people can rationalize Israel starving millions of people and killing thousands to punish a group of bad actors. Yikes.

War is awful. You have to ask why did Hamas choose to invade Israel and murder 1400 innocent civilians, injure thousands more, rape hundreds of women, torture children, and kidnap more than 200 people, including old women and babies? Hamas declared war on Israel. They started it. I also feel terrible for the innocent Germans that died in WWII. But Germany invaded Poland and then reaped the consequences. It's the nature of war. And this war was brought by Hamas.

And they’re holding hundreds of Israelis hostage. I’m pretty sure the US would rain hell on an any other country for doing the same, which is why countries leave us alone. Hamas has the power to end this. But it doesn’t want to. It wants the blood of its own people to serve their cause, which is the annihilation of Israel. Luckily it seems as though a regional conflict is not yet happening that would tip the balance in Hamas’ favor. I believe the neighbors don’t care much for Hamas either.

Israelis have committed atrocious crimes since 10/7 and before by hiding behind this statement, actually it is Israelis annihilating Palestinians. Change the victim script, the new reality is the oppressor script. Also, all this talk about Israel trying to do fight blah blah means nothing, if U.S withdraws the support tomorrow you and I both know how long Israelis can sustain the fight. U.S support has harmed the region because Israelis have never had to resort to diplomatic solutions with their neighbors, they have always taken the stance of an aggressor and oppressor because they know that U.S politicians are bought and paid for by AIPAC.

This is why they are spending so much time on sites like this--get Americans to hate Isreal and that will be the end of Isreal. No need to fight Isreal themselves, make the Americans think Isreal should not fight back at least (oh it needs to stop bothering poor us it is genocide leave us alone!) and at worst thar Israel is illegitimate.

The US is never going to withdraw support from Israel because the alternative is not acceptable. That doesn’t mean it’s a blank check. But that fever dream that the US will suddenly say “we’re out” because Israel is being to aggressive against Hamas? That’s an interesting one.

Yes smart people know this but on the other hand what does the future hold? What if the progressives who jump and say how high at any group who says "we are oppressed by these colonizers/white people/you name it!" come into power? They are suckered enough now what if they have full power? The Isreal is an Oppressor and Colonizer influencer Corp is playing the long game. Game starts on social media and college campuses.

[Anonymous]

US taxpayers need to stop footing the bill. Of Americans wish to donate personally, have at it. But blank checks sanctioned by the US government need to stop.

[jsteele]

Since this thread has exceed 1,000 pages, I am going to lock it and start a new one.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1164509.page