
The oldest synagogue in Africa is in Tunisia or was. It was burned to ground early this morning. Today |
So sad. It was beautiful |
I think plenty of people here and throughout the world are denying that israel is the Jewish people’s ancestral homeland. Just look at pro Palestinian rallies chanting death to Israel/Jews/from the river to the sea. They want to see Israel demolished. I recognize that it is also Palestinians ancestral homeland. They need a two state solution. Your previous point (if you are rhe pp I replied to) was that both sides are comprised of terrible people and we should let them sort it out. And I think that’s a way of demeaning people who were born into these circumstances from the safety of your more relatively stable home here in the US, where we could theoretically face the same issues given the origin of our country, but fortunately have not. |
Jews never had to settle in MENA. They are indigenous. Mizrahi Jews were always in the Middle East and most of their ancestors never stepped foot in Europe. They didn’t need to. Because there were no massacres to seek refuge from. And the necessary job part is racist BS. There were always doctors, jewellers, and all of the rest of the “necessary jobs” in the Middle East. Jews used to attend Muslim universities in the Middle East to study and become doctors when Europe wouldn’t allow them. Muslims wouldn’t need Jewish lenders because they had their own Islamic wealth and property taxes to take care of the poor or the slaves |
In Europe, Jews became bankers because Christians were barred from lending money. |
I think in the long run, more and more secular Israelis will just give up and move in the interest of self-preservation, leaving the country to religious fanatics who will end up being massacred because they think they're too special to fight. Jews will disperse and assimilate, with some small pockets of thriving Jewish communities in Canada, the US and Latin America. A lot of people will still hate Jews, the territory now known as Israel will degrade into a shithole which a lot of Arab nations will fight over, leading to a lot more dead Palestinians, and there'll still be plenty of Islamic terrorism against non-Islamic countries. So...pretty much the status quo. |
Muslims also don’t believe in lending or interest so it makes no sense that they would borrow from Jewish lenders or need Jewish doctors. The region that created surgery and advanced modern medicine itself created some of the finest Jewish doctors including one of the finest Torah scholars Maimonides. The racism is sad to see. |
Actually Jews were barred from owning land and doing much of anything. They were forced into various jobs because they were prohibited from doing pretty much anything else. |
1. Correct. Palestinian was the ethnicity. They are Arabs, who are semitic peoples. And thw land that is israel and the palestinian territories is their homeland. A shared homeland, since the days of David and Goliath. 2. True. Jews also did not always live in the same place. The vast majority of Israelis have come from Europe, the US and elsewhere. 3. That sounds right. Shared homeland. |
It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new: Emergence of a distinct identity The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114] |
You keep conflating Palestinian and Muslim. Religion is not the defining feature of Palestinianism. It's a secular nationality just like the vast majority of them around the world. Non-Jews have also always lived in the region. The Israelites were not the only people there 3,000 years ago. Those people converted over time but the Palestinians are their descendants. They all got taken over by the Babylonians. |
Completely wrong. Arabs have been around forever. Not Palestinian Arabs as a distinct identity. Palestine was a geographic area with all sorts of people: Jews, Romans, Christians, Muslims. There was no distinct national identity among Palestinian Arabs until 1834 at the earliest. Jews are overwhelmingly from the Middle East. Ashkenazim are ethnically Middle Eastern. Mizrahim are the same. Sephardim are from Spain and Northern Africa. |
Umm … that’s what I said. |
You do realize the Torah itself discusses the Philistines? If you spoke Arabic you would know that is Palestinian |
In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place. |