Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else.

Exactly

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Anonymous wrote:Okay thats fine, they may not have given themselves an official nationality until the late 1800s. But they were always a people. And a people living under British and French colonial rule. Are other nationalities that only declared themselves 130 years ago also illegitimatrle to you?

They weren’t a distinct nationality. That’s what you’re not getting. Palestine was a place, like Maryland or California. There’s no Californian identity that goes beyond geographic.

Everyone lived in what is now Palestine at some point and even in 1945, it was 40% Jewish and 20% Christian.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

They existed there but not ny the name Palestine. Palestine is just a Roman province name antiquated and not in use by Arabs there because Palestinians were just called Arabs like the same way there were no Iraqis or Saudis or Jordanians either. Arabs specifically identified as their paternal ancestor or paternal village name and Arab as an ethnic group . All the Arabs didn’t have countries and neither did the Jews. They just were called Jews and Arabs.


The problem is the lovely Brits promised both these groups to sweeten their independence movements if they helped them fight the Turks and now ever since both sides are fighting for land the Brits over promised to both sides

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

and you don't see any parallels there to Zionism and Theodore Herzl?

I mean, some Zionists had violent desires. But the difference is that Jews actually did have a sovereign, clear identity in the region going back to the Kingdom of Judea.

Even now, it’s clear Jews are ethnically distinct from anyone else. Jews aren’t a subset of a larger ethnicity that formed an identity in opposition to another group.

Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Mizrahi, not to mention Ethiopian, are all distinct subsets that were not merged and had little in common. Israeli identity was most definitely formed in opposition to another group.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else.

Wrong.

If we’re talking literally about what is now Israel, the land was:

1. Jewish
2. Then Roman
3. Then Christian
4. Muslims came in around the 1500s
5. Brits took it over and made it Mandatory Palestine, which had 500,000 Jews and 1 million Muslims

We’re focusing here specifically on the land in question, not the Middle East in general.

Where are you getting your British Palestine numbers from?

UNSCOP reports.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else.

Wrong.

If we’re talking literally about what is now Israel, the land was:

1. Jewish
2. Then Roman
3. Then Christian
4. Muslims came in around the 1500s
5. Brits took it over and made it Mandatory Palestine, which had 500,000 Jews and 1 million Muslims

We’re focusing here specifically on the land in question, not the Middle East in general.

This is a totally absurd argument. Land does not have a religion. The people on the land have a religion. If the “land” was Jewish, Roman, whatever, it doesn’t matter. The humans who live on the land have a claim- the Palestinians. If they change their religion or become colonized- they still have a claim on the land.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

and you don't see any parallels there to Zionism and Theodore Herzl?

I mean, some Zionists had violent desires. But the difference is that Jews actually did have a sovereign, clear identity in the region going back to the Kingdom of Judea.

Even now, it’s clear Jews are ethnically distinct from anyone else. Jews aren’t a subset of a larger ethnicity that formed an identity in opposition to another group.

Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Mizrahi, not to mention Ethiopian, are all distinct subsets that were not merged and had little in common. Israeli identity was most definitely formed in opposition to another group.

I said Jewish identity, not Israeli.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else.

Wrong.

If we’re talking literally about what is now Israel, the land was:

1. Jewish
2. Then Roman
3. Then Christian
4. Muslims came in around the 1500s
5. Brits took it over and made it Mandatory Palestine, which had 500,000 Jews and 1 million Muslims

We’re focusing here specifically on the land in question, not the Middle East in general.

This is a totally absurd argument. Land does not have a religion. The people on the land have a religion. If the “land” was Jewish, Roman, whatever, it doesn’t matter. The humans who live on the land have a claim- the Palestinians. If they change their religion or become colonized- they still have a claim on the land.

Then at least be honest and say they aren’t an ethnicity distinct from anyone else. Just say they lived there.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay thats fine, they may not have given themselves an official nationality until the late 1800s. But they were always a people. And a people living under British and French colonial rule. Are other nationalities that only declared themselves 130 years ago also illegitimatrle to you?

They weren’t a distinct nationality. That’s what you’re not getting. Palestine was a place, like Maryland or California. There’s no Californian identity that goes beyond geographic.

Everyone lived in what is now Palestine at some point and even in 1945, it was 40% Jewish and 20% Christian.

And that is exactly where you were wrong. How do you think they identified? As arabs? Fine, then Arabs who lived in Palestine have also called it their ancestral home for hundreds if not thousands of years. What is your point? That they deserve to be pushed out because they didnt have a consistent name?

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else.

Wrong.

If we’re talking literally about what is now Israel, the land was:

1. Jewish
2. Then Roman
3. Then Christian
4. Muslims came in around the 1500s
5. Brits took it over and made it Mandatory Palestine, which had 500,000 Jews and 1 million Muslims

We’re focusing here specifically on the land in question, not the Middle East in general.

This is a totally absurd argument. Land does not have a religion. The people on the land have a religion. If the “land” was Jewish, Roman, whatever, it doesn’t matter. The humans who live on the land have a claim- the Palestinians. If they change their religion or become colonized- they still have a claim on the land.

Then at least be honest and say they aren’t an ethnicity distinct from anyone else. Just say they lived there.

They dont just live there, they are FROM there. That's the point

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay thats fine, they may not have given themselves an official nationality until the late 1800s. But they were always a people. And a people living under British and French colonial rule. Are other nationalities that only declared themselves 130 years ago also illegitimatrle to you?

They weren’t a distinct nationality. That’s what you’re not getting. Palestine was a place, like Maryland or California. There’s no Californian identity that goes beyond geographic.

Everyone lived in what is now Palestine at some point and even in 1945, it was 40% Jewish and 20% Christian.

And that is exactly where you were wrong. How do you think they identified? As arabs? Fine, then Arabs who lived in Palestine have also called it their ancestral home for hundreds if not thousands of years. What is your point? That they deserve to be pushed out because they didnt have a consistent name?

Let’s be clear: Arabs lived on that land for 400 years in various numbers. They lived on it with many other people.

They deserve to be there. But don’t act as though they had some continuous, unique claim on the land for 2,000 years. It’s BS.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else.

Wrong.

If we’re talking literally about what is now Israel, the land was:

1. Jewish
2. Then Roman
3. Then Christian
4. Muslims came in around the 1500s
5. Brits took it over and made it Mandatory Palestine, which had 500,000 Jews and 1 million Muslims

We’re focusing here specifically on the land in question, not the Middle East in general.

Where are you getting your British Palestine numbers from?

They're the end of the mandate period numbers. It's a sleight of hand to include immigration in the 20's and 30's.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else.

Wrong.

If we’re talking literally about what is now Israel, the land was:

1. Jewish
2. Then Roman
3. Then Christian
4. Muslims came in around the 1500s
5. Brits took it over and made it Mandatory Palestine, which had 500,000 Jews and 1 million Muslims

We’re focusing here specifically on the land in question, not the Middle East in general.

This is a totally absurd argument. Land does not have a religion. The people on the land have a religion. If the “land” was Jewish, Roman, whatever, it doesn’t matter. The humans who live on the land have a claim- the Palestinians. If they change their religion or become colonized- they still have a claim on the land.

Then at least be honest and say they aren’t an ethnicity distinct from anyone else. Just say they lived there.

They dont just live there, they are FROM there. That's the point

No. Arabs are not from what is now Palestine.

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What about the infants the IDF is killing with its bombs?

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

Funny you say video game as Israel has produced video games about IDF soldiers where one can kill Palestinians for fun. One is called Bomb Gaza, another was called Code Red:Gaza Assault, and another is called Iron Dome Missile Defense.

Okay. And in Palestine, kindergarten graduations involve putting on skits about kidnapping and murdering Jews.

Cool. You all are terrible people, on both sides. Maybe we should let yall just work it out as you see fit. And not foot the bill.

The Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment are so intense on the pro-Israel side. It's really mind-blowing how much hate and racism they get away with while simultaneously accusing all of their detractors of "antisemitism". In a few hundred years, I'm sure the history books will have named this psychosis/era - whatever you call it - but to live it is something else.

Yah. The pro Israel rallies are really frightening with their Palestinian flag burning and chanting death to Palestinians. Not.

I take it you've never seen a settler rally in Israel? They don't chant Death to Palestinians because they deny the very existence of Palestinians. Instead they chant Death to Arabs. Two members of Bibi's cabinet have done it regularly and are quite open with their feelings. There's probably one happening in the West Bank right now.

By the way, those two cabinet members? One is in charge of the Israeli Police while the other is in charge of disbursing government funds.

Are Palestinians not Arabs?

One of the pro-Israel talking points is that there is no “Palestinian” identity, they are just “Arabs” and should therefore go live in some other Arab country. This is an incredibly bigoted hot take.

All of these little countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc., have their own identity, the people who were forcibly expelled from the land can trace their ancestry there, they are indigenous to the land and people can deny that until they are blue in the face.

It’s not though. The notion of a Palestinian Muslim identity is not an ethnic idea. It’s nationalism and it’s relatively new:

Emergence of a distinct identity

The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement. Some argue that it can be traced as far back as the peasants' revolt in Palestine in 1834 (or even as early as the 17th century), while others argue that it did not emerge until after the Mandatory Palestine period.[59][112] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century,[59] when an embryonic desire among Palestinians for self-government in the face of generalized fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state and the dispossession of the Arab majority crystallised among most editors, Christian and Muslim, of local newspapers.[113] The term itself Filasṭīnī was first introduced by Khalīl Beidas in a translation of a Russian work on the Holy Land into Arabic in 1898. After that, its usage gradually spread so that, by 1908, with the loosening of censorship controls under late Ottoman rule, a number of Muslim, Christian and Jewish correspondents writing for newspapers began to use the term with great frequency in referring to the 'Palestinian people'(ahl/ahālī Filasṭīn), 'Palestinians' (al-Filasṭīnīyūn) the 'sons of Palestine(abnā’ Filasṭīn) or to 'Palestinian society',(al-mujtama' al-filasṭīnī).[114]

In Arab countries people primarily tie themselves to their village of origin. My own family can trace our records in our home village at least 500 years, or double the existence of the United States. While a national identity may be relatively new throughout the entire Middle East, this doesn’t mean that people don’t have a clear sense of homeland and place.

But it’s simply fact that the area wasn’t Muslim in any significant numbers until the 1500s.

This idea that Palestinian Arabs existed as some distinct identity for 2,000 years in what is now Israel is completely ahistoric.

This is like denying that Egypt wasn’t a country before Islam. People in the Arab world converted to Islam as it spread. So the Palestinian Muslim’s ancestors may indeed have been in the region for 2,000 years.

Arabs have been in the region. No one disputes that.

But Palestinians as a distinct people did not exist as a concept until much, much later.

I’m really not following your argument. A group of people who are not Jewish have lived in that region for thousands of years. They now call themselves Palestinians. Their religion before 1500 or their understanding of nation-states does not matter. As indigenous people they have ties to the land and it is their homeland as much as anyone else.

Wrong.

If we’re talking literally about what is now Israel, the land was:

1. Jewish
2. Then Roman
3. Then Christian
4. Muslims came in around the 1500s
5. Brits took it over and made it Mandatory Palestine, which had 500,000 Jews and 1 million Muslims

We’re focusing here specifically on the land in question, not the Middle East in general.

This is a totally absurd argument. Land does not have a religion. The people on the land have a religion. If the “land” was Jewish, Roman, whatever, it doesn’t matter. The humans who live on the land have a claim- the Palestinians. If they change their religion or become colonized- they still have a claim on the land.

Then at least be honest and say they aren’t an ethnicity distinct from anyone else. Just say they lived there.

They dont just live there, they are FROM there. That's the point

No. Arabs are not from what is now Palestine.

The Arabs in Palestine are from what is now Palestine and Israel.