Question for those of you that are transgender...

[Anonymous]

I'm curious to know for those of you that are transgender, do you agree with things that are getting pushed today or do you believe SJW's and activists have taken things too far and are making things worse for the transgender community? For example, the policing of language and usage of terms such as "menstruators" and "pregnant people". I've heard from transgender people that they want people to fight for important things like access to better and more affordable medical care, no discrimination in terms of employment etc. My personal opinion as a cis female is that the aggressive activists who bully and try to censor people are causing more damage to the community and making more people turn against them. Do you agree or disagree and why?

[Anonymous]

My daughter (19) is trans. She doesn’t care about about any that nonsense. She does appreciate it when people attempt to use her preferred pronouns. The rest is just noise. She considers it virtue signaling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to know for those of you that are transgender, do you agree with things that are getting pushed today or do you believe SJW's and activists have taken things too far and are making things worse for the transgender community? For example, the policing of language and usage of terms such as "menstruators" and "pregnant people". I've heard from transgender people that they want people to fight for important things like access to better and more affordable medical care, no discrimination in terms of employment etc. My personal opinion as a cis female is that the aggressive activists who bully and try to censor people are causing more damage to the community and making more people turn against them. Do you agree or disagree and why?

I'm not trans (very few posters here are). My husband, however, is a trans man. He strongly prefers language like "people who menstruate" and "pregnant people," because that language is more inclusive of him (he's not pregnant anymore, but has been). He's a person who has been pregnant (and has and sometimes still does menstruate though less often due to being on T) and the health of people who have been pregnant is important to him, but he's also not a "mother" and was not a "pregnant woman." If you're talking about a group that includes him, he prefers accurate language. He does not think that describing the group that includes him with accurate language is "going too far."

It's difficult to take this post as being in good faith, though, if you're going to equate that preference with "bullying."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter (19) is trans. She doesn’t care about about any that nonsense. She does appreciate it when people attempt to use her preferred pronouns. The rest is just noise. She considers it virtue signaling.

How does your daughter feel about some of the controversial issues like trans women being transferred to women’s prisons and participating in women’s sports? Obviously activists heavily push for these things but I wonder how many transgender people agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to know for those of you that are transgender, do you agree with things that are getting pushed today or do you believe SJW's and activists have taken things too far and are making things worse for the transgender community? For example, the policing of language and usage of terms such as "menstruators" and "pregnant people". I've heard from transgender people that they want people to fight for important things like access to better and more affordable medical care, no discrimination in terms of employment etc. My personal opinion as a cis female is that the aggressive activists who bully and try to censor people are causing more damage to the community and making more people turn against them. Do you agree or disagree and why?

I'm not trans (very few posters here are). My husband, however, is a trans man. He strongly prefers language like "people who menstruate" and "pregnant people," because that language is more inclusive of him (he's not pregnant anymore, but has been). He's a person who has been pregnant (and has and sometimes still does menstruate though less often due to being on T) and the health of people who have been pregnant is important to him, but he's also not a "mother" and was not a "pregnant woman." If you're talking about a group that includes him, he prefers accurate language. He does not think that describing the group that includes him with accurate language is "going too far."

It's difficult to take this post as being in good faith, though, if you're going to equate that preference with "bullying."

OP here, I’m not trying to be offensive and your husband having a preference for certain language is obviously not bullying. I have no problems using whatever terms a trans person is comfortable with when conversing with them but I don’t think language overall should be changed to appease a minority. But there is plenty of bullying online against people who disagree with things which I think is problematic. JK Rowling received hundreds of death and rape threats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to know for those of you that are transgender, do you agree with things that are getting pushed today or do you believe SJW's and activists have taken things too far and are making things worse for the transgender community? For example, the policing of language and usage of terms such as "menstruators" and "pregnant people". I've heard from transgender people that they want people to fight for important things like access to better and more affordable medical care, no discrimination in terms of employment etc. My personal opinion as a cis female is that the aggressive activists who bully and try to censor people are causing more damage to the community and making more people turn against them. Do you agree or disagree and why?

I'm not trans (very few posters here are). My husband, however, is a trans man. He strongly prefers language like "people who menstruate" and "pregnant people," because that language is more inclusive of him (he's not pregnant anymore, but has been). He's a person who has been pregnant (and has and sometimes still does menstruate though less often due to being on T) and the health of people who have been pregnant is important to him, but he's also not a "mother" and was not a "pregnant woman." If you're talking about a group that includes him, he prefers accurate language. He does not think that describing the group that includes him with accurate language is "going too far."

It's difficult to take this post as being in good faith, though, if you're going to equate that preference with "bullying."

OP here, I’m not trying to be offensive and your husband having a preference for certain language is obviously not bullying. I have no problems using whatever terms a trans person is comfortable with when conversing with them but I don’t think language overall should be changed to appease a minority. But there is plenty of bullying online against people who disagree with things which I think is problematic. JK Rowling received hundreds of death and rape threats.

DP.

Since you clearly against death threats I’m curious what threads you’ve started about the death threats and actual physical assaults against transgender people. Including those in jails.

[Anonymous]

It's difficult to take this post as being in good faith, though, if you're going to equate that preference with "bullying."

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

OP here, I don’t think someone having a preference for certain language is bullying. Sorry if my post wasn’t clear and was coming across as offensive. I was just curious how many transgender people agree with things that are getting pushed or if they feel like it is too much. Bullying is a separate issue that is problematic but it is often a very vocal minority that is the loudest.

[Anonymous]

I’m not trans, but this reminds me of being asked by white people in college whether black people preferred being called black or did we all want to be called AA. I wasted a lot of breath on those conversations. Transpeople, you are very patient responding.

[Anonymous]

On a medical forum I visit someone posted how this is affecting medical schools. I found it interesting that several doctors said it was the woke cisgender med students pushing for the inclusive language and how students would complain if a professor used a "wrong" word when discussing biological sex. Here is part of a message a doctor posted regarding his students....

"Again, I absolutely believe that these people are very well-intended, but are unfortunately at least a little misguided or naïve about real-world communication skills, especially the many students that argue these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of. It's disappointing, and difficult to speak against without being subject to vitriol, even if just giving the perspective of those in the actual communities most directly affected."

And from an endocrinologist...

"I care for predominantly trans and non binary people for hormone therapy and I have to agree that most of my patients would not give two shits about the rhetorical nonsense around “gender” politics. People just want to be treated like human beings and respected. If you show that care and intention to your patient that’s what they will value."

[Anonymous]

Most of my trans friends are politically active and are both involved in efforts to provide fair housing and employment to trans people and also would like to see people use trans inclusive language. In my experience, the OP presents a false dichotomy in their post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On a medical forum I visit someone posted how this is affecting medical schools. I found it interesting that several doctors said it was the woke cisgender med students pushing for the inclusive language and how students would complain if a professor used a "wrong" word when discussing biological sex. Here is part of a message a doctor posted regarding his students....

"Again, I absolutely believe that these people are very well-intended, but are unfortunately at least a little misguided or naïve about real-world communication skills, especially the many students that argue these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of. It's disappointing, and difficult to speak against without being subject to vitriol, even if just giving the perspective of those in the actual communities most directly affected."

And from an endocrinologist...

"I care for predominantly trans and non binary people for hormone therapy and I have to agree that most of my patients would not give two shits about the rhetorical nonsense around “gender” politics. People just want to be treated like human beings and respected. If you show that care and intention to your patient that’s what they will value."

And here's a couple more comments from the medical forum...

"Trans people are often the least offended by all of this. It’s always social justice warriors that have nothing to do with it"

"Can confirm, this isn't coming from me or any trans people I know.
We want good insurance coverage, laws preventing discrimination, and whatnot. The language used in textbooks is, at the very least, a distant concern at the moment compared to the state-imposed medical neglect of minors with GID in the UK, or any number of other significant issues that face our community.
Since I know that most of the complaint letters were written by cis people on our behalf. Let me be clear- if you want to devote your time and energy to helping us, thank you! Please do so by advocating for the causes that we indicate as significant, largely access to affordable care, and protection from discrimination. If this is really about helping us and not about your image, this should not offend your sensibilities."

[Anonymous]

Yes, I’m sure picking and choosing third-hand comments is unbiased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I’m sure picking and choosing third-hand comments is unbiased.

You may disagree with what they said but it doesn’t make it any less true. You really think a majority of transgender people want to change language to things like chest feeding and birthing persons? I think they have bigger issues to focus on and it’s mostly social justice warriors trying to earn woke points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter (19) is trans. She doesn’t care about about any that nonsense. She does appreciate it when people attempt to use her preferred pronouns. The rest is just noise. She considers it virtue signaling.

How does your daughter feel about some of the controversial issues like trans women being transferred to women’s prisons and participating in women’s sports? Obviously activists heavily push for these things but I wonder how many transgender people agree.

I think she is much more concerned about the high rate of suicide in the trans community. About violence in the LGTBQ community. And about fair housing, healthcare, and job protection.