Question for those of you that are transgender...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter (19) is trans. She doesn’t care about about any that nonsense. She does appreciate it when people attempt to use her preferred pronouns. The rest is just noise. She considers it virtue signaling.

How does your daughter feel about some of the controversial issues like trans women being transferred to women’s prisons and participating in women’s sports? Obviously activists heavily push for these things but I wonder how many transgender people agree.

I think she is much more concerned about the high rate of suicide in the trans community. About violence in the LGTBQ community. And about fair housing, healthcare, and job protection.

PP here, this is why I said they have bigger issues to focus on. Transgender people face a lot of hurdles when it comes to medical care for example and they also disproportionately have a much higher rate of HIV. Energy should be put into important issues like these not policing language. Most people can agree that every person should have access to adequate health care and should be free from discrimination. Where you are going to start losing support is when people push for words like menstruator and chest feeding. SJW’s pushing for these things in my opinion are doing more harm than good.

[Anonymous]

My son is trans. He does not put some of those word choices at the top of his priority list, but he does have a major issue with any efforts to treat trans people as less than full members of their genders (i.e., not a real man or woman). That comes up a lot these days (more than it did a few years ago when we started this journey). He is particularly upset over things like policing where people go to the bathroom or change clothes. He knows that trans people almost always want to be unnoticed and it is just ridiculous for ciswomen to somehow be scared of transwomen being in their spaces.

[Anonymous]

I think that anybody using the term "social justice warrior" as a pejorative is not arguing in good faith. Social justice is fairness in society -- in healthcare, employment, housing, etc. If you think that fighting for that is laughable, I don't think there's much point in discussing the details with you.

Of course inclusive language is not where the fight stops. But, language does matter, and language does directly affect health care eligibility, legal applicability, cultural attitudes about violence against trans people, etc. It has real impact.

And, I'm not sure why PPs think it's admirable to do the good work of providing inclusive healthcare, for example, but not take that minimal extra step of using inclusive language.

[Anonymous]

Someone explain chest feeding to me. If you are nursing (which both XX and XY can do with the right hormones) you have breast tissue making the milk. Therefore they are breasts. You can be a man with breasts or a woman with breast or intersexed with breasts but breasts make milk, not your pectoral muscles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not trans, but this reminds me of being asked by white people in college whether black people preferred being called black or did we all want to be called AA. I wasted a lot of breath on those conversations. Transpeople, you are very patient responding.

The white people who asked you that question didn’t want to offend you. You should have thanked them for asking you. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I’m sure picking and choosing third-hand comments is unbiased.

You may disagree with what they said but it doesn’t make it any less true. You really think a majority of transgender people want to change language to things like chest feeding and birthing persons? I think they have bigger issues to focus on and it’s mostly social justice warriors trying to earn woke points.

I don’t know but I don’t trust third-hand sampling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that anybody using the term "social justice warrior" as a pejorative is not arguing in good faith. Social justice is fairness in society -- in healthcare, employment, housing, etc. If you think that fighting for that is laughable, I don't think there's much point in discussing the details with you.

Of course inclusive language is not where the fight stops. But, language does matter, and language does directly affect health care eligibility, legal applicability, cultural attitudes about violence against trans people, etc. It has real impact.

And, I'm not sure why PPs think it's admirable to do the good work of providing inclusive healthcare, for example, but not take that minimal extra step of using inclusive language.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to know for those of you that are transgender, do you agree with things that are getting pushed today or do you believe SJW's and activists have taken things too far and are making things worse for the transgender community? For example, the policing of language and usage of terms such as "menstruators" and "pregnant people". I've heard from transgender people that they want people to fight for important things like access to better and more affordable medical care, no discrimination in terms of employment etc. My personal opinion as a cis female is that the aggressive activists who bully and try to censor people are causing more damage to the community and making more people turn against them. Do you agree or disagree and why?

I'm not trans (very few posters here are). My husband, however, is a trans man. He strongly prefers language like "people who menstruate" and "pregnant people," because that language is more inclusive of him (he's not pregnant anymore, but has been). He's a person who has been pregnant (and has and sometimes still does menstruate though less often due to being on T) and the health of people who have been pregnant is important to him, but he's also not a "mother" and was not a "pregnant woman." If you're talking about a group that includes him, he prefers accurate language. He does not think that describing the group that includes him with accurate language is "going too far."

It's difficult to take this post as being in good faith, though, if you're going to equate that preference with "bullying."

OP here, I’m not trying to be offensive and your husband having a preference for certain language is obviously not bullying. I have no problems using whatever terms a trans person is comfortable with when conversing with them but I don’t think language overall should be changed to appease a minority. But there is plenty of bullying online against people who disagree with things which I think is problematic. JK Rowling received hundreds of death and rape threats.

I think that's EXACTLY when language should be changed. Otherwise the majority is using language to oppress the minority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to know for those of you that are transgender, do you agree with things that are getting pushed today or do you believe SJW's and activists have taken things too far and are making things worse for the transgender community? For example, the policing of language and usage of terms such as "menstruators" and "pregnant people". I've heard from transgender people that they want people to fight for important things like access to better and more affordable medical care, no discrimination in terms of employment etc. My personal opinion as a cis female is that the aggressive activists who bully and try to censor people are causing more damage to the community and making more people turn against them. Do you agree or disagree and why?

I'm not trans (very few posters here are). My husband, however, is a trans man. He strongly prefers language like "people who menstruate" and "pregnant people," because that language is more inclusive of him (he's not pregnant anymore, but has been). He's a person who has been pregnant (and has and sometimes still does menstruate though less often due to being on T) and the health of people who have been pregnant is important to him, but he's also not a "mother" and was not a "pregnant woman." If you're talking about a group that includes him, he prefers accurate language. He does not think that describing the group that includes him with accurate language is "going too far."

It's difficult to take this post as being in good faith, though, if you're going to equate that preference with "bullying."

OP here, I’m not trying to be offensive and your husband having a preference for certain language is obviously not bullying. I have no problems using whatever terms a trans person is comfortable with when conversing with them but I don’t think language overall should be changed to appease a minority. But there is plenty of bullying online against people who disagree with things which I think is problematic. JK Rowling received hundreds of death and rape threats.

I think that's EXACTLY when language should be changed. Otherwise the majority is using language to oppress the minority.

HAHA! The PP literally said that that minorities should not have a say in language about themselves.

WOW!

[Anonymous]

So much bigotry on this thread. My question to all of you is: why do you care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to know for those of you that are transgender, do you agree with things that are getting pushed today or do you believe SJW's and activists have taken things too far and are making things worse for the transgender community? For example, the policing of language and usage of terms such as "menstruators" and "pregnant people". I've heard from transgender people that they want people to fight for important things like access to better and more affordable medical care, no discrimination in terms of employment etc. My personal opinion as a cis female is that the aggressive activists who bully and try to censor people are causing more damage to the community and making more people turn against them. Do you agree or disagree and why?

I'm not trans (very few posters here are). My husband, however, is a trans man. He strongly prefers language like "people who menstruate" and "pregnant people," because that language is more inclusive of him (he's not pregnant anymore, but has been). He's a person who has been pregnant (and has and sometimes still does menstruate though less often due to being on T) and the health of people who have been pregnant is important to him, but he's also not a "mother" and was not a "pregnant woman." If you're talking about a group that includes him, he prefers accurate language. He does not think that describing the group that includes him with accurate language is "going too far."

It's difficult to take this post as being in good faith, though, if you're going to equate that preference with "bullying."

Your spouse is a person who menstruates--the rest of us are women who menstruate. Biological men do not menstruate. Such an easy solution, not sure why the truth and reality is not acceptable to trans people. Why is the truth so offensive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not trans, but this reminds me of being asked by white people in college whether black people preferred being called black or did we all want to be called AA. I wasted a lot of breath on those conversations. Transpeople, you are very patient responding.

How do you expect people to learn? I find it absurd that anyone would take offense to well intentioned questions from people genuinely seeking to understand them as human beings.

If educating others is too cumbersome, don’t get upset when someone makes a mistake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much bigotry on this thread. My question to all of you is: why do you care?

I see that word getting thrown around so much it is losing its meaning. The problem is any meaningful discussion around trans issues is quickly shut down if someone expresses an opinion or concern that doesn’t align with gender ideology. Anyone paying attention can see what a problem this is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much bigotry on this thread. My question to all of you is: why do you care?

I see that word getting thrown around so much it is losing its meaning. The problem is any meaningful discussion around trans issues is quickly shut down if someone expresses an opinion or concern that doesn’t align with gender ideology. Anyone paying attention can see what a problem this is.

Just going to ignore all of the blatant anti-trans posts on this thread, are we?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much bigotry on this thread. My question to all of you is: why do you care?

I see that word getting thrown around so much it is losing its meaning. The problem is any meaningful discussion around trans issues is quickly shut down if someone expresses an opinion or concern that doesn’t align with gender ideology. Anyone paying attention can see what a problem this is.

Just going to ignore all of the blatant anti-trans posts on this thread, are we?

There's a difference between being a transphobic a hole purposely attacking transgender people vs voicing your opinion and concerns. There were posters on here discussing the topic of transwomen in changing rooms and every single post got deleted. I have seen posts deleted in other threads when this particular topic comes up. Not wanting to be called dehumanizing terms like menstruator and cervix haver also does not make a person transphobic and a bigot. Even acknowledging biological reality gets people called names. Everyone is so easily offended and it's ridiculous you can't have meaningful conversations on this topic without it always reverting to name calling and nastiness. There was one crazy poster that was literally wishing death upon another poster in this thread until Jeff deleted it. Absolutely report and have Jeff delete the truly transphobic posts that do unfortunately pop up but it's annoying to assume everyone is a bigot for not agreeing.