Question for those of you that are transgender...

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First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

It’s possible. This is what I have heard from trans people. I do not know of anybody in this situation but if somebody wants to say “people who mensturate” instead of “woman” I am not going to have a problem with it.

Some of this language like "people with cervixes" is becoming sufficiently esoteric that I wonder about recent immigrants with low English proficiency actually understanding that this applies to them (versus just understanding the word woman). So from an inclusivity and SJW and health care outreach perspective, there are others to think of as well.

Also, none of this is in a vacuum. Menstruation is not a random thing that happens to random people. It's part of the history of women being treated differently (red tent, etc) and girls dropping out of school where they don't have supplies and bathroom privacy (like rural India), it's all part of the patriarchy and where that comes from. So yes language matters, in terms of who is really affected by all these issues (pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc.)

It’s as esoteric as a red herring.

You’re not posting in good faith…

[Anonymous]

Herrings that menstruate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

It’s possible. This is what I have heard from trans people. I do not know of anybody in this situation but if somebody wants to say “people who mensturate” instead of “woman” I am not going to have a problem with it.

Some of this language like "people with cervixes" is becoming sufficiently esoteric that I wonder about recent immigrants with low English proficiency actually understanding that this applies to them (versus just understanding the word woman). So from an inclusivity and SJW and health care outreach perspective, there are others to think of as well.

Also, none of this is in a vacuum. Menstruation is not a random thing that happens to random people. It's part of the history of women being treated differently (red tent, etc) and girls dropping out of school where they don't have supplies and bathroom privacy (like rural India), it's all part of the patriarchy and where that comes from. So yes language matters, in terms of who is really affected by all these issues (pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc.)

It’s as esoteric as a red herring.

You’re not posting in good faith…

It's not a red herring. Check out the first sentence of this article.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/health/new-cervical-cancer-screening-recommendations-wellness/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-07-30T21%3A25%3A58&utm_source=twCNN

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

It’s possible. This is what I have heard from trans people. I do not know of anybody in this situation but if somebody wants to say “people who mensturate” instead of “woman” I am not going to have a problem with it.

Some of this language like "people with cervixes" is becoming sufficiently esoteric that I wonder about recent immigrants with low English proficiency actually understanding that this applies to them (versus just understanding the word woman). So from an inclusivity and SJW and health care outreach perspective, there are others to think of as well.

Also, none of this is in a vacuum. Menstruation is not a random thing that happens to random people. It's part of the history of women being treated differently (red tent, etc) and girls dropping out of school where they don't have supplies and bathroom privacy (like rural India), it's all part of the patriarchy and where that comes from. So yes language matters, in terms of who is really affected by all these issues (pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc.)

It’s as esoteric as a red herring.

You’re not posting in good faith…

It's not a red herring. Check out the first sentence of this article.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/health/new-cervical-cancer-screening-recommendations-wellness/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-07-30T21%3A25%3A58&utm_source=twCNN

Omg. A CNN article. That clearly demonstrates that the language is forever changed and no medical provider in any circumstance will ever use any other language ever again.

We see you and your “concern” for recent immigrants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

It’s possible. This is what I have heard from trans people. I do not know of anybody in this situation but if somebody wants to say “people who mensturate” instead of “woman” I am not going to have a problem with it.

Some of this language like "people with cervixes" is becoming sufficiently esoteric that I wonder about recent immigrants with low English proficiency actually understanding that this applies to them (versus just understanding the word woman). So from an inclusivity and SJW and health care outreach perspective, there are others to think of as well.

Also, none of this is in a vacuum. Menstruation is not a random thing that happens to random people. It's part of the history of women being treated differently (red tent, etc) and girls dropping out of school where they don't have supplies and bathroom privacy (like rural India), it's all part of the patriarchy and where that comes from. So yes language matters, in terms of who is really affected by all these issues (pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc.)

It’s as esoteric as a red herring.

You’re not posting in good faith…

It's not a red herring. Check out the first sentence of this article.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/health/new-cervical-cancer-screening-recommendations-wellness/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-07-30T21%3A25%3A58&utm_source=twCNN

Omg. A CNN article. That clearly demonstrates that the language is forever changed and no medical provider in any circumstance will ever use any other language ever again.

We see you and your “concern” for recent immigrants.

OP here, there are multiple posters on here and I didn’t post those comments. Love how you think the post regarding immigrants is a “concern” though meaning you think the poster is transphobic. Way to prove my point. Here is a quote from a medical professor that was in a previous post which perfectly applies to you.

“Again, I absolutely believe that these people are very well-intended, but are unfortunately at least a little misguided or naïve about real-world communication skills, especially the many students that argue these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of. It's disappointing, and difficult to speak against without being subject to vitriol, even if just giving the perspective of those in the actual communities most directly affected."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

It’s possible. This is what I have heard from trans people. I do not know of anybody in this situation but if somebody wants to say “people who mensturate” instead of “woman” I am not going to have a problem with it.

Some of this language like "people with cervixes" is becoming sufficiently esoteric that I wonder about recent immigrants with low English proficiency actually understanding that this applies to them (versus just understanding the word woman). So from an inclusivity and SJW and health care outreach perspective, there are others to think of as well.

Also, none of this is in a vacuum. Menstruation is not a random thing that happens to random people. It's part of the history of women being treated differently (red tent, etc) and girls dropping out of school where they don't have supplies and bathroom privacy (like rural India), it's all part of the patriarchy and where that comes from. So yes language matters, in terms of who is really affected by all these issues (pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc.)

It’s as esoteric as a red herring.

You’re not posting in good faith…

It's not a red herring. Check out the first sentence of this article.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/health/new-cervical-cancer-screening-recommendations-wellness/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-07-30T21%3A25%3A58&utm_source=twCNN

Omg. A CNN article. That clearly demonstrates that the language is forever changed and no medical provider in any circumstance will ever use any other language ever again.

We see you and your “concern” for recent immigrants.

OP here, there are multiple posters on here and I didn’t post those comments. Love how you think the post regarding immigrants is a “concern” though meaning you think the poster is transphobic. Way to prove my point. Here is a quote from a medical professor that was in a previous post which perfectly applies to you.

“Again, I absolutely believe that these people are very well-intended, but are unfortunately at least a little misguided or naïve about real-world communication skills, especially the many students that argue these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of. It's disappointing, and difficult to speak against without being subject to vitriol, even if just giving the perspective of those in the actual communities most directly affected."

Woosh. Way to miss the whole point.

If someone posts in bad faith they should expect to get called out on it.

People have sincerely tried to explain how to be respectful. Did you hear them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

Exactly. Thank you. I was wondering what I’m missing here. As I said, I think this language issue is being created just so activists have something to champion.

[Anonymous]

OP, for someone “concerned” about language you have yet to explain why you chose to use the phrase “SJW”.

Did you also use the term “activist” - why is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

It’s possible. This is what I have heard from trans people. I do not know of anybody in this situation but if somebody wants to say “people who mensturate” instead of “woman” I am not going to have a problem with it.

Some of this language like "people with cervixes" is becoming sufficiently esoteric that I wonder about recent immigrants with low English proficiency actually understanding that this applies to them (versus just understanding the word woman). So from an inclusivity and SJW and health care outreach perspective, there are others to think of as well.

Also, none of this is in a vacuum. Menstruation is not a random thing that happens to random people. It's part of the history of women being treated differently (red tent, etc) and girls dropping out of school where they don't have supplies and bathroom privacy (like rural India), it's all part of the patriarchy and where that comes from. So yes language matters, in terms of who is really affected by all these issues (pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc.)

It’s as esoteric as a red herring.

You’re not posting in good faith…

It's not a red herring. Check out the first sentence of this article.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/health/new-cervical-cancer-screening-recommendations-wellness/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-07-30T21%3A25%3A58&utm_source=twCNN

Omg. A CNN article. That clearly demonstrates that the language is forever changed and no medical provider in any circumstance will ever use any other language ever again.

We see you and your “concern” for recent immigrants.

OP here, there are multiple posters on here and I didn’t post those comments. Love how you think the post regarding immigrants is a “concern” though meaning you think the poster is transphobic. Way to prove my point. Here is a quote from a medical professor that was in a previous post which perfectly applies to you.

“Again, I absolutely believe that these people are very well-intended, but are unfortunately at least a little misguided or naïve about real-world communication skills, especially the many students that argue these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of. It's disappointing, and difficult to speak against without being subject to vitriol, even if just giving the perspective of those in the actual communities most directly affected."

Woosh. Way to miss the whole point.

If someone posts in bad faith they should expect to get called out on it.

People have sincerely tried to explain how to be respectful. Did you hear them?

Explain how someone posting an issue regarding immigrants and language posting something in bad faith? Why did you label it a “concern”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

Exactly. Thank you. I was wondering what I’m missing here. As I said, I think this language issue is being created just so activists have something to champion.

That’s rich coming from someone championing “concern”.

I think some people saw the term “people with a cervix” somewhere and then started a hyperbolic tirade against “SJWs”. Disregarding reason, context, and scale.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

It’s possible. This is what I have heard from trans people. I do not know of anybody in this situation but if somebody wants to say “people who mensturate” instead of “woman” I am not going to have a problem with it.

Some of this language like "people with cervixes" is becoming sufficiently esoteric that I wonder about recent immigrants with low English proficiency actually understanding that this applies to them (versus just understanding the word woman). So from an inclusivity and SJW and health care outreach perspective, there are others to think of as well.

Also, none of this is in a vacuum. Menstruation is not a random thing that happens to random people. It's part of the history of women being treated differently (red tent, etc) and girls dropping out of school where they don't have supplies and bathroom privacy (like rural India), it's all part of the patriarchy and where that comes from. So yes language matters, in terms of who is really affected by all these issues (pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc.)

It’s as esoteric as a red herring.

You’re not posting in good faith…

It's not a red herring. Check out the first sentence of this article.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/health/new-cervical-cancer-screening-recommendations-wellness/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-07-30T21%3A25%3A58&utm_source=twCNN

Omg. A CNN article. That clearly demonstrates that the language is forever changed and no medical provider in any circumstance will ever use any other language ever again.

We see you and your “concern” for recent immigrants.

OP here, there are multiple posters on here and I didn’t post those comments. Love how you think the post regarding immigrants is a “concern” though meaning you think the poster is transphobic. Way to prove my point. Here is a quote from a medical professor that was in a previous post which perfectly applies to you.

“Again, I absolutely believe that these people are very well-intended, but are unfortunately at least a little misguided or naïve about real-world communication skills, especially the many students that argue these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of. It's disappointing, and difficult to speak against without being subject to vitriol, even if just giving the perspective of those in the actual communities most directly affected."

Woosh. Way to miss the whole point.

If someone posts in bad faith they should expect to get called out on it.

People have sincerely tried to explain how to be respectful. Did you hear them?

OP here, that quote from the medical professor is the whole point of my thread which I why I used the term social justice warriors. I wasn't calling transgender people SJW's I was referring to this group that "argues these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of". I was asking if the transgender community here agrees with these ideals, with language just being an example, or not? If you are offended by me using the term SJW's it's probably because you are exactly who the medical professor was referring to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cis person here

First of all, OP, lots of trans people have written and spoken up about this. Opinions vary. Just do a bit of research on it. This might be part of why PP who isn’t white got tired of answering the AA v Black question. People had already written and spoke in depth on the topic but then white came up to them and asked for an explanation from the top, perhaps in bad faith. It’s not easy and it’s time consuming to hash out things like this and it’s more respectful just to look at what has already been said.

Second, it is actually important to remember that not everybody who menstruates is a woman because there are people across the gender spectrum who need access to what we call “women’s healthcare.” We need to make sure everybody who needs it has access to birth control, Pap smears, tampons, etc., and when we say those things are foe women it is actually a barrier for men and non-binary people to have access as well.

Everyone who needs these services is a biological woman. That’s what “women” refers to. Trans men and non-binary people are aware they were born as biological women, right? I’m not sure what the issue is with using “women” for what we all know means “biological women.”

…con’t…

I guess it seems that activists are creating a problem just so they can solve it. Are there trans men or non-binary who don’t realize “women’s medical services” are for them?

Yes exactly this, PP. They are very aware of biology and gender and everything else. Do they really not know they need pap smears just because of "exclusionary" language?

It’s possible. This is what I have heard from trans people. I do not know of anybody in this situation but if somebody wants to say “people who mensturate” instead of “woman” I am not going to have a problem with it.

Some of this language like "people with cervixes" is becoming sufficiently esoteric that I wonder about recent immigrants with low English proficiency actually understanding that this applies to them (versus just understanding the word woman). So from an inclusivity and SJW and health care outreach perspective, there are others to think of as well.

Also, none of this is in a vacuum. Menstruation is not a random thing that happens to random people. It's part of the history of women being treated differently (red tent, etc) and girls dropping out of school where they don't have supplies and bathroom privacy (like rural India), it's all part of the patriarchy and where that comes from. So yes language matters, in terms of who is really affected by all these issues (pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc.)

It’s as esoteric as a red herring.

You’re not posting in good faith…

It's not a red herring. Check out the first sentence of this article.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/health/new-cervical-cancer-screening-recommendations-wellness/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-07-30T21%3A25%3A58&utm_source=twCNN

Omg. A CNN article. That clearly demonstrates that the language is forever changed and no medical provider in any circumstance will ever use any other language ever again.

We see you and your “concern” for recent immigrants.

OP here, there are multiple posters on here and I didn’t post those comments. Love how you think the post regarding immigrants is a “concern” though meaning you think the poster is transphobic. Way to prove my point. Here is a quote from a medical professor that was in a previous post which perfectly applies to you.

“Again, I absolutely believe that these people are very well-intended, but are unfortunately at least a little misguided or naïve about real-world communication skills, especially the many students that argue these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of. It's disappointing, and difficult to speak against without being subject to vitriol, even if just giving the perspective of those in the actual communities most directly affected."

Woosh. Way to miss the whole point.

If someone posts in bad faith they should expect to get called out on it.

People have sincerely tried to explain how to be respectful. Did you hear them?

OP here, that quote from the medical professor is the whole point of my thread which I why I used the term social justice warriors. I wasn't calling transgender people SJW's I was referring to this group that "argues these ideals and don't belong to any of the groups they supposedly speak on behalf of". I was asking if the transgender community here agrees with these ideals, with language just being an example, or not? If you are offended by me using the term SJW's it's probably because you are exactly who the medical professor was referring to.

I am not offended by “SJW”. I’m offended by people who try to use it pejoratively. While trying to fake sincerity.

You say that language matters and you intentionally chose that term. Message received.

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Again, a few people have sincerely tried to explain how to be respectful. Did you read them? Have questions about that?

If you were actually sincere…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter (19) is trans. She doesn’t care about about any that nonsense. She does appreciate it when people attempt to use her preferred pronouns. The rest is just noise. She considers it virtue signaling.

OP here again, this was one of the first responses to my post. This poster actually understood my question and didn't assume it was asked in bad faith or that I was being insincere. She actually has a transgender daughter and isn't someone just posting on their behalf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, a few people have sincerely tried to explain how to be respectful. Did you read them? Have questions about that?

If you were actually sincere…