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Question for those of you that are transgender...
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Anonymous
Cherry picking again? 
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Anonymous
| I'm one of the PPs who doesn't want to be transphobic and who also thinks terms like birther, menstruator, chest feeder, etc. are misogynist (I don't want to be reduced to being a body part; the language is dehumanizing, and it's telling that there are no male equivalents used). Does this video discuss this? If so I will watch. |
Anonymous
THIS. |
Anonymous
I watched the video and thought Blaire White made excellent points. I think she perfectly describes some of the issues with the transgender community and why there is even more push back against them these days. And it's posters like you above who actually do more damage to the community. Seriously shut up already with the bad faith crap and eye rolls. Are you the same poster who was labeling posts as "concerns"? |
Anonymous
^^100% |
Anonymous
NP. I’m also the parent of a trans person (FTM though). I could’ve written what the PP said although my son and I wouldn’t have said nonsense. If asked, he’d say there are bigger issues to solve first, and he’s also appreciative of people using his preferred name and pronouns, and not being openly transphobic around him. He’s also say that while he’s more concerned about the big issues because he needs a job and place to live more than he needs people to use respectful language, and he won’t necessarily have those things if people are legally allowed to discriminate against him, he does care about the small issues too. Mostly he cares that people try to be polite and respectful of him, just as he does the same to others, even when he doesn’t understand all of their preferences. He’s gotten pretty good at being able to tell when someone asks to learn and when someone asks for other reasons. When someone wants to learn about a group of people, they don’t generally ask the only person they know belonging to that group to speak for that group (or poll internet strangers if they don’t know anyone in that group in real life). Sometimes people learn accidentally though, so we keep answering politely in hopes that it catches or that there was a legit miscommunication. |
Anonymous
I've noticed on various threads discussing transgender topics some of the nastiest and most aggressive posters have consistently been from those arguing in favor of transgender issues whether it's inclusion in women's sports, transwomen in female prisons, puberty blockers etc. I doubt these posters are even transgender and they seriously aren't doing the community any favors acting like assholes towards other posters. There were a couple threads in the political forum that either Jeff had to delete or lock. I don't know why this topic brings out the nastiness in some people but I agree with Blaire White that the community will never reach full acceptance. |
Anonymous
DP. I’m gonna both sides this. Not even going to pretend not to. There are rude people on both sides. Jeff will delete the reported posts if they’re rude or transphobic, but there are rude people on both sides of this issue. I think part of the problem is that the rude transphobic people have been saying their rude words, being discriminatory, and even being violent for a long time, and people on the other side are tired of it. They’ve had a taste of acceptance and they’re not going back to how things used to be, and on an Internet forum they don’t have to worry about retaliation for letting people know they won’t back down anymore. By the way, the idea that trans people won’t be accepted until they learn to be polite while being other is BS. It’s the same as the idea that it’s okay to assume all black people are criminals and will be treated as such until they learn to stop stealing. Or that gay people will be accepted when they stop shoving their gayness in everyone’s face and keep it in the bedroom. Or immigrants will be treated like smart people when they learn to speak English fluently without an accent. Or a woman can be president when they stop being so hysterical for roughly a week each month. People aren’t transphobic because trans people and their friends are inherently rude. |
Anonymous
| PP here, I wasn’t saying the trans community will never reach full acceptance because of rude people. I was simply pointing out it does not help the community when people are assholes to others. DCUM is nothing compared to the comments I’ve read on other social media platforms. I think they will never reach full acceptance because of all the reasons Blaire White went into in her YouTube video which is a shame. |
Anonymous
How is using functional, inclusive terms “misogynist”? |
Anonymous
I’ll stop when it’s no longer warranted. |
Anonymous
I have zero tolerance for people trying to hurt transgender people. **Especially** politicians using transgender kids as pawns. Or coy “concern” posts. |
Anonymous
I doubt anyone here is trying to hurt transgender people give me a break. And why do you keep putting concern in quotation marks? |
Anonymous
I suspect this isn't a genuine, good faith ask, but I will answer as though it was. Traditionally, women (cis and otherwise) have suffered and been killed over their bodies. Their bodies and body parts are policed in a way that men's bodies aren't. Women's bodies have thousands of years of abuse and torture inflicted on them specifically because of the fact that they are women's bodies and have the functional aspects of women's bodies. This is not to take away from abuse transwomen have also suffered, but the vast, vast majority of violence directed towards women for being women in the history of the world has nothing to do with transwomen. Words like "menstruator" and "birther" and "bleeder" as a replacement for "woman" are dehumanizing and misogynist because they reduce women to their functional value. This is precisely what generations of violence against women is based on. Furthermore, the terms are deeply ableist; not every biological woman is a bleeder, for instance. Overall, this reduction of womanhood to menstruation and birth is something that the Taliban does. It is telling that men are not facing similar demands. This reduction of women to what you describe as "functional" language is focused only on women. It is directly out of a history of violent misogyny, and the terms are deeply misogynist. Finally, in the US, these terms are even more problematic for WOC, because of the ghastly history of slavery and gendered violence directed specifically towards WOC. Reducing a WOC's identity to her bodily functions is particularly horrific given the history of the US. |
Anonymous
Excellent post! People advocating for language changes need to educate themselves on why those terms are dehumanizing and offensive to women. Your post did a great job explaining why it is offensive and the misogyny surrounding it. And I agree I find it very telling the equivalent does not seem to exist for men. I don’t see men being called ejaculators or penis havers. |