Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

[Anonymous]

Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aug poster - what's your end game? You can argue every thread here and it will result in 0 changes. Do you get a rise out of pissing off everyone (that's a troll btw!)? Some of us would like to actually discuss other issues than your one small edge case.

How many times will you respond to your own posts?

Theres no agenda just reality which you don't want to face.

I'm a different poster FFS - there are this many people pissed off at you. Just leave. You are providing nothing

Im a differnet poster as well and 100% it's you responding to your own posts.

So pathetic.

Nope, see that's where you're wrong - I see someone else thinking exactly the same so I post a similar sentiment. You just reply incessantly to yourself. I don't have to argue this, because I'm not the person that everyone else wants off of here. You offer no value - please stop posting. I could say a million mean things, but I'll leave it at that.

Nobody believes you.

Just stop if you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.

Yes, please stop TY!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

So your unsited research project told you exactly what you were expecting it to. Who could have guessed?

Top teams where players are looking to get recruited and playing in college will be grouped by grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

So your unsited research project told you exactly what you were expecting it to. Who could have guessed?

Top teams where players are looking to get recruited and playing in college will be grouped by grade.

Go ahead, try Google yourself. See if you find any team grouped by grade other than a girls team in the greater Racine area. I didn't. All the teams going age, allowing case by case to play up. Reminds me of the BY SY debate. Even after the announcements people still could face the music. It's over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

So your unsited research project told you exactly what you were expecting it to. Who could have guessed?

Top teams where players are looking to get recruited and playing in college will be grouped by grade.

Go ahead, try Google yourself. See if you find any team grouped by grade other than a girls team in the greater Racine area. I didn't. All the teams going age, allowing case by case to play up. Reminds me of the BY SY debate. Even after the announcements people still could face the music. It's over.

Watch what happens. Clubs will group players on top teams by grade because it gives them the best chances at being recruited. Fight it all you want but committments are one of the main ways clubs, players, and parents define which clubs are the "best".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

So your unsited research project told you exactly what you were expecting it to. Who could have guessed?

Top teams where players are looking to get recruited and playing in college will be grouped by grade.

Go ahead, try Google yourself. See if you find any team grouped by grade other than a girls team in the greater Racine area. I didn't. All the teams going age, allowing case by case to play up. Reminds me of the BY SY debate. Even after the announcements people still could face the music. It's over.

Watch what happens. Clubs will group players on top teams by grade because it gives them the best chances at being recruited. Fight it all you want but committments are one of the main ways clubs, players, and parents define which clubs are the "best".

You've lost complete credibility on your forecasting. Leagues didn't force players to play up and teams in the aggregate haven't forced players to play up. Now you have narrowed it down to saying top teams will be based on grade but that's going against what clubs are announcing and top teams shuffle the decks every year anyway. It's over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

So your unsited research project told you exactly what you were expecting it to. Who could have guessed?

Top teams where players are looking to get recruited and playing in college will be grouped by grade.

Go ahead, try Google yourself. See if you find any team grouped by grade other than a girls team in the greater Racine area. I didn't. All the teams going age, allowing case by case to play up. Reminds me of the BY SY debate. Even after the announcements people still could face the music. It's over.

Watch what happens. Clubs will group players on top teams by grade because it gives them the best chances at being recruited. Fight it all you want but committments are one of the main ways clubs, players, and parents define which clubs are the "best".

You've lost complete credibility on your forecasting. Leagues didn't force players to play up and teams in the aggregate haven't forced players to play up. Now you have narrowed it down to saying top teams will be based on grade but that's going against what clubs are announcing and top teams shuffle the decks every year anyway. It's over.

No Ive been 100% consistant saying that clubs will roster teams by grade because this is what college recruiters want.

If players on lower level teams choose to play down and clubs allow it. Whatever it doesnt matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

So your unsited research project told you exactly what you were expecting it to. Who could have guessed?

Top teams where players are looking to get recruited and playing in college will be grouped by grade.

Go ahead, try Google yourself. See if you find any team grouped by grade other than a girls team in the greater Racine area. I didn't. All the teams going age, allowing case by case to play up. Reminds me of the BY SY debate. Even after the announcements people still could face the music. It's over.

Watch what happens. Clubs will group players on top teams by grade because it gives them the best chances at being recruited. Fight it all you want but committments are one of the main ways clubs, players, and parents define which clubs are the "best".

You've lost complete credibility on your forecasting. Leagues didn't force players to play up and teams in the aggregate haven't forced players to play up. Now you have narrowed it down to saying top teams will be based on grade but that's going against what clubs are announcing and top teams shuffle the decks every year anyway. It's over.

No Ive been 100% consistant saying that clubs will roster teams by grade because this is what college recruiters want.

If players on lower level teams choose to play down and clubs allow it. Whatever it doesnt matter.

Clubs getting best players on top teams, regardless of grade. It's over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

So your unsited research project told you exactly what you were expecting it to. Who could have guessed?

Top teams where players are looking to get recruited and playing in college will be grouped by grade.

Go ahead, try Google yourself. See if you find any team grouped by grade other than a girls team in the greater Racine area. I didn't. All the teams going age, allowing case by case to play up. Reminds me of the BY SY debate. Even after the announcements people still could face the music. It's over.

Watch what happens. Clubs will group players on top teams by grade because it gives them the best chances at being recruited. Fight it all you want but committments are one of the main ways clubs, players, and parents define which clubs are the "best".

You've lost complete credibility on your forecasting. Leagues didn't force players to play up and teams in the aggregate haven't forced players to play up. Now you have narrowed it down to saying top teams will be based on grade but that's going against what clubs are announcing and top teams shuffle the decks every year anyway. It's over.

No Ive been 100% consistant saying that clubs will roster teams by grade because this is what college recruiters want.

If players on lower level teams choose to play down and clubs allow it. Whatever it doesnt matter.

Clubs getting best players on top teams, regardless of grade. It's over.

Calm down littles we all know you're there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Googled and found handful more teams dropped guidance this week of in summary play on age, playing up is an exception and alluding to the possibility of slight stickiness if Aug-Dec want to stay with their current teams.

Clubs are matching the ECNL views; playing up is an exception and a case by case basis but there could be an adjustment period to get teams to getting Aug-Dec playing on age.

With nobody being forced to play up and playing up being a case by case situation, looks like this one is over. And in truth, it was always over.

So your unsited research project told you exactly what you were expecting it to. Who could have guessed?

Top teams where players are looking to get recruited and playing in college will be grouped by grade.

Go ahead, try Google yourself. See if you find any team grouped by grade other than a girls team in the greater Racine area. I didn't. All the teams going age, allowing case by case to play up. Reminds me of the BY SY debate. Even after the announcements people still could face the music. It's over.

Watch what happens. Clubs will group players on top teams by grade because it gives them the best chances at being recruited. Fight it all you want but committments are one of the main ways clubs, players, and parents define which clubs are the "best".

You've lost complete credibility on your forecasting. Leagues didn't force players to play up and teams in the aggregate haven't forced players to play up. Now you have narrowed it down to saying top teams will be based on grade but that's going against what clubs are announcing and top teams shuffle the decks every year anyway. It's over.

No Ive been 100% consistant saying that clubs will roster teams by grade because this is what college recruiters want.

If players on lower level teams choose to play down and clubs allow it. Whatever it doesnt matter.

Clubs getting best players on top teams, regardless of grade. It's over.

Calm down littles we all know you're there.

Wrong assumption, not surprising considering your power of prediction is nil. It's over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Voluntarily trapped….


Hahahah

It's more than "voluntarily trapped" think about it.

What 8th grade team coach wants to deal with losing 9th grade (playing down Aug/Sept birthdays) that leave the team for 2-4 months during the high school season?

Coachrs wont roster the play downs because having a winning season is how they keep their job.

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What's a 8th grade team coach?
Never heard of that

Travel Soccer goes by calendar age groups, no?

You're just saying things to be argumentative.

Even under BY because most of the players will be a certain grade that is the grade team it represents. However SY is different 99.9% of all players will be a certain grade. Because of this and because college recruiters/coaches will look at teams by grade so will everyone else.

You can sit there saying "technically" or "actually" this is a SY 8/1-7/31 seasonal year team. People will look at you weird and walk away.

My kids are U18 and U16 in MLS Next

They have been in travel soccer since U7 and I've never heard a coach or club refer to their teams by school grades

Why would it stop being U13 and U12 and U15?

MLS is BY and has biobanding. You likely wouldn't hear about teams grouped by grade in this environment because they're specifically looking to not group by grade.

SY is getting closer to grouping by grade. So since none of the SY leagues currently allow biobanding you'll start hearing grade level team more and more.

Can someone pull a soccer tournament schedule and results from the past that list the bracket groups by school grade

Before switching to BY tournaments were grouped like this...

u14 u15 u16 u17 u18/u19

However if leagues were to implement a rule that players younger than the eligibility window play with their grade in school. You could list the grade for different groupings. Although I doubt they'll do this because soccer people are arrogant, elitists, and stupid all rolled into one. They'll likely look down on grouping by grade because rec is often grouped this way and they want to appear professional. Which is grouped by BY ironically 🤣😂

What does school grade have to do with soccer skill levels and competition?

[Anonymous]

my prediction is there will be a lot of exceptions year one, especially for the younger teams. Those teams that have a lot of exceptions will do less well than those clubs that permit fewer exceptions. Then in year two, the clubs will acknowledge that they gave too many exceptions and didn't do as well as they could have, and will give out a lot fewer exceptions. So, a 2-3 year transition process in my mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my prediction is there will be a lot of exceptions year one, especially for the younger teams. Those teams that have a lot of exceptions will do less well than those clubs that permit fewer exceptions. Then in year two, the clubs will acknowledge that they gave too many exceptions and didn't do as well as they could have, and will give out a lot fewer exceptions. So, a 2-3 year transition process in my mind.

True, just like the last time we did this switch. Though I disagree on the "especially for younger teams" part. Except at small clubs, younger teams will be strictly grouped by the new seasonal year with the same number of rare exceptions we see now. It is just easier to do. There will likely be more exceptions at older ages at smaller clubs but as noted, those will dissipate over the next 2-3 years. Just like the last time we did this. I even expect a few smallish clubs to just keep teams together and basically just continue BY, though again, that won't last long.

[Anonymous]

Good FAQ by Rush Soccer (this is the parent site over all of their clubs across the country):
https://rushsoccer.com/age-group-change-resources/

Will my player be allowed to ``move up`` with their friends/teammates if they fall into the lower age group?

We generally encourage players to participate within their designated age group to ensure appropriate development, competition balance and alignment with the new age group cutoff dates. However, we understand every circumstance is different. Requests for players to “play up” with an older age group will be reviewed on an individual basis and considered in collaboration with coaches and club leadership.

I believe my player should be evaluated to ``play-up`` even though the new age group dates have them repeating an age group. Will this be allowed?

Requests for players to “play up” will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. In general, all players should attend the first tryout with their designated age group based on the new calendar. Coaches and club leadership will review individual circumstances and communicate directly with players and families if a player is recommended to try out with an older age group.

They're going to allow very few players to even tryout an age group up let alone play up. They have a shit ton of clubs this applies to. Notice that at no point do they talk about differences for older players or etc. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Seems like Rush understand that if young Aug/Sept birthdays plan to get recruited and play in college that they need to "play up" with their grade. Thats a lot of words to address something that isnt a big deal.

Its like going into a tire shop at the end of summer and the salesperson keeps pushing you to the snow tire section. Sure they'll sell you anything you want but they're also trying to gently hint that with winter coming you would probably want to buy snow tires.