New OPM memo on RTO

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

The bait and switch and no time to adjust *is* the issue here. I'm very glad I've been able to telework for years, which was mostly not as a fed. But this wasn't a favor my employers were giving me, it was a way of hiring people with my skill set. This is the equivalent of a significant pay cut for me -- would you feel gratitude at previously outearning other people if you took a job due to the pay and then they cut it?

Exactly. Telework is the only reason a lot of us chose the jobs we chose. I have a highly desirable skill set. Nothing is keeping me in the federal government now, and I'm not the only one. Pretty sure you're going to be left with people who have zero skills and it will all come to a screeching halt. But this is what MAGA wants.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

I'm a federal government worker with kids who has to agree with this poster. The fact is, covid presented a truly unique opportunity for flexible working arrangements. It changed the way we all lived. Our family got 5 years with being able to be able to pick up our kids from school etc. It was truly lovely. I will miss it, but appreciated it. I will change the way we live to try to maintain as much of being present as is possible (I'll drop CWS 9 hour days etc.).

I really didn't realize how much the private sector resented the amount of flexibility us feds have had. Yes, some of them did have it as well, but the fact remains, we are held to different standards being a government employee. So it pains me to say that it's time that we stop complaining. Hopefully, in time, maybe a day or two of teleworking will be allowed.

My friends and family who work in private sector, telework-eligible jobs still have the option to telework or work remotely. In fact a few of their companies shut their offices during covid and moved to 100% remote, expanding their candidate pool and reducing costs. Where are all these private sector jobs who lost the ability to telework? People keep pointing to jobs not eligible for telework like doctors or restaurant works.

MOST jobs do not have telework. You act like we are scraping the barrel to think of other examples. The list is very very very long. Teachers. Construction workers. Drivers of trucks and planes and boats and buses. Delivery people. Grocery store clerks. Front desk hotel workers. Factory and assembly workers. Construction. Cleaning people. Mail and package delivery. Scientists in labs and research companies. Professors. All the people who work at your kids school. All the people at the hospitals and medical offices. Police and fire department employees. Lots and lots and lots of people work 8 hours or more very single day away from their homes. Jeez!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

I'm a federal government worker with kids who has to agree with this poster. The fact is, covid presented a truly unique opportunity for flexible working arrangements. It changed the way we all lived. Our family got 5 years with being able to be able to pick up our kids from school etc. It was truly lovely. I will miss it, but appreciated it. I will change the way we live to try to maintain as much of being present as is possible (I'll drop CWS 9 hour days etc.).

I really didn't realize how much the private sector resented the amount of flexibility us feds have had. Yes, some of them did have it as well, but the fact remains, we are held to different standards being a government employee. So it pains me to say that it's time that we stop complaining. Hopefully, in time, maybe a day or two of teleworking will be allowed.

My friends and family who work in private sector, telework-eligible jobs still have the option to telework or work remotely. In fact a few of their companies shut their offices during covid and moved to 100% remote, expanding their candidate pool and reducing costs. Where are all these private sector jobs who lost the ability to telework? People keep pointing to jobs not eligible for telework like doctors or restaurant works.

MOST jobs do not have telework. You act like we are scraping the barrel to think of other examples. The list is very very very long. Teachers. Construction workers. Drivers of trucks and planes and boats and buses. Delivery people. Grocery store clerks. Front desk hotel workers. Factory and assembly workers. Construction. Cleaning people. Mail and package delivery. Scientists in labs and research companies. Professors. All the people who work at your kids school. All the people at the hospitals and medical offices. Police and fire department employees. Lots and lots and lots of people work 8 hours or more very single day away from their homes. Jeez!!!!

you again. are you tired of trolling these threads yet?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

I'm a federal government worker with kids who has to agree with this poster. The fact is, covid presented a truly unique opportunity for flexible working arrangements. It changed the way we all lived. Our family got 5 years with being able to be able to pick up our kids from school etc. It was truly lovely. I will miss it, but appreciated it. I will change the way we live to try to maintain as much of being present as is possible (I'll drop CWS 9 hour days etc.).

I really didn't realize how much the private sector resented the amount of flexibility us feds have had. Yes, some of them did have it as well, but the fact remains, we are held to different standards being a government employee. So it pains me to say that it's time that we stop complaining. Hopefully, in time, maybe a day or two of teleworking will be allowed.

My friends and family who work in private sector, telework-eligible jobs still have the option to telework or work remotely. In fact a few of their companies shut their offices during covid and moved to 100% remote, expanding their candidate pool and reducing costs. Where are all these private sector jobs who lost the ability to telework? People keep pointing to jobs not eligible for telework like doctors or restaurant works.

MOST jobs do not have telework. You act like we are scraping the barrel to think of other examples. The list is very very very long. Teachers. Construction workers. Drivers of trucks and planes and boats and buses. Delivery people. Grocery store clerks. Front desk hotel workers. Factory and assembly workers. Construction. Cleaning people. Mail and package delivery. Scientists in labs and research companies. Professors. All the people who work at your kids school. All the people at the hospitals and medical offices. Police and fire department employees. Lots and lots and lots of people work 8 hours or more very single day away from their homes. Jeez!!!!

you again. are you tired of trolling these threads yet?

[Anonymous]

Because people need to wake up and understand how privileged they are. And stop whining.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

I'm a federal government worker with kids who has to agree with this poster. The fact is, covid presented a truly unique opportunity for flexible working arrangements. It changed the way we all lived. Our family got 5 years with being able to be able to pick up our kids from school etc. It was truly lovely. I will miss it, but appreciated it. I will change the way we live to try to maintain as much of being present as is possible (I'll drop CWS 9 hour days etc.).

I really didn't realize how much the private sector resented the amount of flexibility us feds have had. Yes, some of them did have it as well, but the fact remains, we are held to different standards being a government employee. So it pains me to say that it's time that we stop complaining. Hopefully, in time, maybe a day or two of teleworking will be allowed.

My friends and family who work in private sector, telework-eligible jobs still have the option to telework or work remotely. In fact a few of their companies shut their offices during covid and moved to 100% remote, expanding their candidate pool and reducing costs. Where are all these private sector jobs who lost the ability to telework? People keep pointing to jobs not eligible for telework like doctors or restaurant works.

MOST jobs do not have telework. You act like we are scraping the barrel to think of other examples. The list is very very very long. Teachers. Construction workers. Drivers of trucks and planes and boats and buses. Delivery people. Grocery store clerks. Front desk hotel workers. Factory and assembly workers. Construction. Cleaning people. Mail and package delivery. Scientists in labs and research companies. Professors. All the people who work at your kids school. All the people at the hospitals and medical offices. Police and fire department employees. Lots and lots and lots of people work 8 hours or more very single day away from their homes. Jeez!!!!

Can you not read? I asked about telework eligible jobs. You’ve listed jobs that must be done in person—that was true before, during, and after the pandemic. New flash, that’s also true of many federal jobs! Food inspectors, TSA, people who work in SCIFs, etc.

I’m talking about jobs that can be done at home without an impact on performance. These are the people who were able to telework before, during, and after the pandemic and are now losing that benefit. There’s a reason the Telework Enhancement Act of 2010 (2010!) exists. It’s because the government knew 15 years ago that telework improves efficiency, reduces costs to taxpayers, and ensures there are no breaks in service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because people need to wake up and understand how privileged they are. And stop whining.

Privilege implies we didn’t earn it. Which we did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because people need to wake up and understand how privileged they are. And stop whining.

Privilege implies we didn’t earn it. Which we did.

Yep. My spouse graduated from a top engineering program and has a PhD. When Trump was elected five different companies called him telling him they wanted him if he was going to leave the government. The government lobbied hard to get him in the first place. The taxpayer will be worse off if he leaves.

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Anonymous wrote:Because people need to wake up and understand how privileged they are. And stop whining.

Privilege implies we didn’t earn it. Which we did.

+1 I've teleworked for years and have received outstanding ratings every year. I earned that telework. And saved you money, taxpayer!

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Anonymous wrote:Because people need to wake up and understand how privileged they are. And stop whining.

Privilege implies we didn’t earn it. Which we did.

Yep. My spouse graduated from a top engineering program and has a PhD. When Trump was elected five different companies called him telling him they wanted him if he was going to leave the government. The government lobbied hard to get him in the first place. The taxpayer will be worse off if he leaves.

What is this word salad? Were your hands cramping from masturbating to Trump’s image as you typed this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

I'm a federal government worker with kids who has to agree with this poster. The fact is, covid presented a truly unique opportunity for flexible working arrangements. It changed the way we all lived. Our family got 5 years with being able to be able to pick up our kids from school etc. It was truly lovely. I will miss it, but appreciated it. I will change the way we live to try to maintain as much of being present as is possible (I'll drop CWS 9 hour days etc.).

I really didn't realize how much the private sector resented the amount of flexibility us feds have had. Yes, some of them did have it as well, but the fact remains, we are held to different standards being a government employee. So it pains me to say that it's time that we stop complaining. Hopefully, in time, maybe a day or two of teleworking will be allowed.

No I think it’s just the trump zombies want to “own the libs” and since trump can’t actually improve their lives, he is going after Feds. Most people would be smart enough to see through this but we are talking about the Trump Cult. They should be asking how this will help them. My grocery bills are just going up.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

DP. My agency has core hours that would not permit this schedule. Telework was a great perk for employees but also for agencies and ultimately taxpayers. In-person requirements will reduce efficiency and cause unnecessary delays.

I have the same problem with the busstop and I think if my supervisor allows, I'm going to take an hour leave each day that my husband isn't able to be at the busstop (his schedule is irregular with often last minute travel). I figured it's better than a neighborhood kid babysitter who might quit after a month, or quitting my job altogether. So definitely less productivity and efficiency in the end for really no reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because people need to wake up and understand how privileged they are. And stop whining.

Privilege implies we didn’t earn it. Which we did.

You didn’t earn it any more than I earned it as someone in private equity who has RTO’d or more than my husband who works at Goldman and is RTO 5 days has earned it. There is a near hysterical level of entitlement on this thread. And your attitude is horrible and elitist, like you’re better than every doctor, pharmacist, uber driver, lawyer, banker, teacher, firefighter, scientist, or professor who didn’t “earn it.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because people need to wake up and understand how privileged they are. And stop whining.

Privilege implies we didn’t earn it. Which we did.

You didn’t earn it any more than I earned it as someone in private equity who has RTO’d or more than my husband who works at Goldman and is RTO 5 days has earned it. There is a near hysterical level of entitlement on this thread. And your attitude is horrible and elitist, like you’re better than every doctor, pharmacist, uber driver, lawyer, banker, teacher, firefighter, scientist, or professor who didn’t “earn it.”

You and your husband's jobs sound like they would be nicely compensated for all of your RTO troubles. Feds often accepted less pay for more flexibility like telework. We are now left holding the bag with uncompetitive pay and no flexibility. Doesn't sound like a winning combination for government stakeholders ie the public.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because people need to wake up and understand how privileged they are. And stop whining.

Privilege implies we didn’t earn it. Which we did.

You didn’t earn it any more than I earned it as someone in private equity who has RTO’d or more than my husband who works at Goldman and is RTO 5 days has earned it. There is a near hysterical level of entitlement on this thread. And your attitude is horrible and elitist, like you’re better than every doctor, pharmacist, uber driver, lawyer, banker, teacher, firefighter, scientist, or professor who didn’t “earn it.”

You and your husband's jobs sound like they would be nicely compensated for all of your RTO troubles. Feds often accepted less pay for more flexibility like telework. We are now left holding the bag with uncompetitive pay and no flexibility. Doesn't sound like a winning combination for government stakeholders ie the public.

Did you read the above in its entirety? Nurses, hairdressers, teachers, physical therapists and police officers all work
in person, and they all earn less than the average Fed. Did they also not earn it?