New OPM memo on RTO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so sad. My son’s bff is likely going to have to move because of this. Mom is fed and dad has a job that he commutes to out of state a few days a week and they were hanging on since she has flexibility but now without the flexibility they’ll prob move to be closer to the dad’s job. My son will be crushed but what can I do. This is having a ripple effect and hurting people in so many ways.

I know you mean well but this sounds so tone-deaf to me. Losing a childhood friendship is hard, but people are facing much harder losses with this and the other EOs.

Seriously. Life happens. The number of feds who feel entitled to have things just so is shocking to me (a non-teleworking fed).

You absolutely suck as a human. PP is expressing sadness, and your comment is that expressing sadness is tone deaf because somewhere children are starving?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, if I understand correctly, this means that President Trump will have to move from Mar A Lago to Wash DC ????

If he takes as many vacation days as Biden, he will remain a Florida resident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so sad. My son’s bff is likely going to have to move because of this. Mom is fed and dad has a job that he commutes to out of state a few days a week and they were hanging on since she has flexibility but now without the flexibility they’ll prob move to be closer to the dad’s job. My son will be crushed but what can I do. This is having a ripple effect and hurting people in so many ways.

I know you mean well but this sounds so tone-deaf to me. Losing a childhood friendship is hard, but people are facing much harder losses with this and the other EOs.

Seriously. Life happens. The number of feds who feel entitled to have things just so is shocking to me (a non-teleworking fed).

You absolutely suck as a human. PP is expressing sadness, and your comment is that expressing sadness is tone deaf because somewhere children are starving?

DP. Or maybe it’s that people are getting fired? Of course your emotions about your son’s childhood friend potentially moving out of state in the next year because of the RTO’s impact on his mom’s work schedule are valid, but look around: DC is burning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I missed if it was posted already, but HHS Memo yesterday evening said full time RTO for supervisors within 50 miles of agency worksite by 2/24, and non supervisory, non bargaining unit employees by 4/28. Those outside 50 miles remain untouched… for now.

This. And bargaining unit employees aren’t affected, telework remains in place as far as ai can tell through 2027.

[Anonymous]

BU employees telework agreements will not be modified “until labor obligations have been met.” This could mean simply requesting a meeting with the union to inform them of what you’re about to do…. Just sayin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I missed if it was posted already, but HHS Memo yesterday evening said full time RTO for supervisors within 50 miles of agency worksite by 2/24, and non supervisory, non bargaining unit employees by 4/28. Those outside 50 miles remain untouched… for now.

This. And bargaining unit employees aren’t affected, telework remains in place as far as ai can tell through 2027.

How do you know who is in the bargaining unit? I realize supervisors are not in it, but is anybody up to GS-13 who is not a supervisor automatically in the bargaining unit? What groups are non-supervisory, non BU?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I missed if it was posted already, but HHS Memo yesterday evening said full time RTO for supervisors within 50 miles of agency worksite by 2/24, and non supervisory, non bargaining unit employees by 4/28. Those outside 50 miles remain untouched… for now.

This. And bargaining unit employees aren’t affected, telework remains in place as far as ai can tell through 2027.

How do you know who is in the bargaining unit? I realize supervisors are not in it, but is anybody up to GS-13 who is not a supervisor automatically in the bargaining unit? What groups are non-supervisory, non BU?

Look on your SF 50! Sometimes people are incorrectly coded by HR however.

[Anonymous]

Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I missed if it was posted already, but HHS Memo yesterday evening said full time RTO for supervisors within 50 miles of agency worksite by 2/24, and non supervisory, non bargaining unit employees by 4/28. Those outside 50 miles remain untouched… for now.

This. And bargaining unit employees aren’t affected, telework remains in place as far as ai can tell through 2027.

How do you know who is in the bargaining unit? I realize supervisors are not in it, but is anybody up to GS-13 who is not a supervisor automatically in the bargaining unit? What groups are non-supervisory, non BU?

Look on your SF 50! Sometimes people are incorrectly coded by HR however.

I'm not in the BU but I think my team is covered by the BU. So trying to understand if anybody is due back on 4/28 or whether they can telework through 2027 (assuming we don't all get fired).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

IF you can find aftercare. We're still on several waitlists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

I'm a federal government worker with kids who has to agree with this poster. The fact is, covid presented a truly unique opportunity for flexible working arrangements. It changed the way we all lived. Our family got 5 years with being able to be able to pick up our kids from school etc. It was truly lovely. I will miss it, but appreciated it. I will change the way we live to try to maintain as much of being present as is possible (I'll drop CWS 9 hour days etc.).

I really didn't realize how much the private sector resented the amount of flexibility us feds have had. Yes, some of them did have it as well, but the fact remains, we are held to different standards being a government employee. So it pains me to say that it's time that we stop complaining. Hopefully, in time, maybe a day or two of teleworking will be allowed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

DP. My agency has core hours that would not permit this schedule. Telework was a great perk for employees but also for agencies and ultimately taxpayers. In-person requirements will reduce efficiency and cause unnecessary delays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

DP. My agency has core hours that would not permit this schedule. Telework was a great perk for employees but also for agencies and ultimately taxpayers. In-person requirements will reduce efficiency and cause unnecessary delays.

I will likely do the 6:30 to 3:00 for the next school year. However, that's going to require an ungodly early start to my day. Not complaining - I'm glad my hours can be adjusted to accommodate, but for what reason? I would feel better about it if it was for a really good reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

The bait and switch and no time to adjust *is* the issue here. I'm very glad I've been able to telework for years, which was mostly not as a fed. But this wasn't a favor my employers were giving me, it was a way of hiring people with my skill set. This is the equivalent of a significant pay cut for me -- would you feel gratitude at previously outearning other people if you took a job due to the pay and then they cut it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. This is correct. Right now (three days a week and my husband the other 2) get kiddo off bus at 4:15. We won’t be able to do that so $700 per month to get after. So yes, I’m crying.

This implies that you were providing childcare instead of working during those times, part of what RTO is meant to address?

New poster here. For f&#k's sake. Let me spell it out for you like a child. I WFH from 7:30 to 4:00. That is a full work day. No child is in the house. I can quickly go pick my child up from school at 4:15 because it's just around the corner. When I go back to work, I will be an hour away at 4:15 and will not be able to pick up my child from school. Thereby requiring expensive after care.

Just work from 6:30 to 3:00. Problem solved.

And have a little empathy for those of us who have NEVER had the luxury of popping out to pick our kids up from school because we had jobs that require us to do their job in person. Be grateful you had this privilege for as long as you did. I understand feeling sideswiped by this and do think the government should give more people time to adjust but then you have to suck it up.

I'm a federal government worker with kids who has to agree with this poster. The fact is, covid presented a truly unique opportunity for flexible working arrangements. It changed the way we all lived. Our family got 5 years with being able to be able to pick up our kids from school etc. It was truly lovely. I will miss it, but appreciated it. I will change the way we live to try to maintain as much of being present as is possible (I'll drop CWS 9 hour days etc.).

I really didn't realize how much the private sector resented the amount of flexibility us feds have had. Yes, some of them did have it as well, but the fact remains, we are held to different standards being a government employee. So it pains me to say that it's time that we stop complaining. Hopefully, in time, maybe a day or two of teleworking will be allowed.

My friends and family who work in private sector, telework-eligible jobs still have the option to telework or work remotely. In fact a few of their companies shut their offices during covid and moved to 100% remote, expanding their candidate pool and reducing costs. Where are all these private sector jobs who lost the ability to telework? People keep pointing to jobs not eligible for telework like doctors or restaurant works.