New OPM memo on RTO

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I have 100,000 people but 80,000 seats. But I really only need and want 80,000 people.

I can build more offices, rent more space for 100,000 people or just pack them in till enough people quit I have enough room.

If you ran a company what would you do?

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lmfao

most jobs ask you to do this, its not out of the ordinary
state and loval govt do

So does my agency. You have to get ethics clearance for any outside work, even driving an Uber. Backup of people trying to get a sign off to gig work or substitute teach every time we have a shutdown threat. (I think if done outside business hours or during a shutdown, it would be approved unless there was a perceived conflict).

I don’t know anyone with a side hustle in my agency— but I’m white collar and 50. Lower GS and Gen Z may do some outside work.

Because they don't tell you. I for instance did work at a pre-IPO start and got pre-IPO RSUs that have zero income tax impact on a 1099. Once vested then IPO they show up as a stock sale. Not income That may not happed for years from now or maybe they become worthless.

Or they just use wife's SS number, Seen that or have an LLC, seen that, or work off the books, seen that. Or just do it anyhow and if get caught oh well they get fired from Job and worth the risk. But they are not telling co-workers.

And guess what govt workers with multiple rental properties and AIRBNBs somehow dont count as outside work. That happens a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow feds - stop defending bad actors.

We can all agree that telework as benefits but we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere when it comes to being good stewards of tax dollars. Defending surfing or running errands or playing sports at 1000 on a workday is unacceptable and you will never get support from the public or politicians as long as you think it is ok. Going to the gym at your worksite or in your garage is not the same thing as checking off the computer to go enjoy some leisure time.

My DH works in tech and will randomly go work out or to pickup some groceries in between meetings. His boss knows. No one gives a crap so long as he is available and getting work done.

If a fed employee is working their full 40 hours, turning in quality work, and not missing meetings then why would anyone care if they flex out to play pickleball or whatever.

I flex out several times per month to volunteer at my kids’ school and also to transport donations to a food bank. I’m also a high performer at my agency. It never dawned on me that anyone would have a pathetic enough life to care about this type of thing. Miserable people really want to drag down the rest of the world with them.

If you have so much free time to do all these non-work related activities during your core business hours, it can be interpreted that you don’t have a sufficient workload. And this is a known fact at Federal Agencies. The workload for each federal employee is significantly less than what you typically see in the industry. As a former federal employee I can testify to that and I had excellent performance throughout my duration of work at Federal government. No wonder federal employees can do their work in 20 hrs or less per week while still being a high performer.
Also, the annual performance evaluation of federal employees is a joke. There isn’t any real evaluation, no feedback sought from your direct reports, collaborators, or stakeholders. All employees usually get a same rating almost every year, unless one is totally negligent. The supervisors would give the highest rating to their favorites or those who are next in line for a promotion. Been there, seen that!

I hired a 52 year old Federal Worker to do the exact same job she was doing in the Federal Work Force. She last 90 days. She told me straight up what I was asking her to do each month she got three months to do at her Fed job. I then had to tell her that is only cause she is new. In a few months I need to see double that. She then said so in two weeks you want me to do what I got to do in Fed in three months. She basically gave up.

And 40 hours is the minimun not the maximun work hours in real world. In big banks and Wall Street 50 hours is normal. They company would have to hire 20 percent more people if they did 40 hours a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow feds - stop defending bad actors.

We can all agree that telework as benefits but we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere when it comes to being good stewards of tax dollars. Defending surfing or running errands or playing sports at 1000 on a workday is unacceptable and you will never get support from the public or politicians as long as you think it is ok. Going to the gym at your worksite or in your garage is not the same thing as checking off the computer to go enjoy some leisure time.

I hope you're not required to write as part of your job.

My DH works in tech and will randomly go work out or to pickup some groceries in between meetings. His boss knows. No one gives a crap so long as he is available and getting work done.

If a fed employee is working their full 40 hours, turning in quality work, and not missing meetings then why would anyone care if they flex out to play pickleball or whatever.

I flex out several times per month to volunteer at my kids’ school and also to transport donations to a food bank. I’m also a high performer at my agency. It never dawned on me that anyone would have a pathetic enough life to care about this type of thing. Miserable people really want to drag down the rest of the world with them.

If you have so much free time to do all these non-work related activities during your core business hours, it can be interpreted that you don’t have a sufficient workload. And this is a known fact at Federal Agencies. The workload for each federal employee is significantly less than what you typically see in the industry. As a former federal employee I can testify to that and I had excellent performance throughout my duration of work at Federal government. No wonder federal employees can do their work in 20 hrs or less per week while still being a high performer.
Also, the annual performance evaluation of federal employees is a joke. There isn’t any real evaluation, no feedback sought from your direct reports, collaborators, or stakeholders. All employees usually get a same rating almost every year, unless one is totally negligent. The supervisors would give the highest rating to their favorites or those who are next in line for a promotion. Been there, seen that!

I hired a 52 year old Federal Worker to do the exact same job she was doing in the Federal Work Force. She last 90 days. She told me straight up what I was asking her to do each month she got three months to do at her Fed job. I then had to tell her that is only cause she is new. In a few months I need to see double that. She then said so in two weeks you want me to do what I got to do in Fed in three months. She basically gave up.

And 40 hours is the minimun not the maximun work hours in real world. In big banks and Wall Street 50 hours is normal. They company would have to hire 20 percent more people if they did 40 hours a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow feds - stop defending bad actors.

We can all agree that telework as benefits but we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere when it comes to being good stewards of tax dollars. Defending surfing or running errands or playing sports at 1000 on a workday is unacceptable and you will never get support from the public or politicians as long as you think it is ok. Going to the gym at your worksite or in your garage is not the same thing as checking off the computer to go enjoy some leisure time.

My DH works in tech and will randomly go work out or to pickup some groceries in between meetings. His boss knows. No one gives a crap so long as he is available and getting work done.

If a fed employee is working their full 40 hours, turning in quality work, and not missing meetings then why would anyone care if they flex out to play pickleball or whatever.

I flex out several times per month to volunteer at my kids’ school and also to transport donations to a food bank. I’m also a high performer at my agency. It never dawned on me that anyone would have a pathetic enough life to care about this type of thing. Miserable people really want to drag down the rest of the world with them.

If you have so much free time to do all these non-work related activities during your core business hours, it can be interpreted that you don’t have a sufficient workload. And this is a known fact at Federal Agencies. The workload for each federal employee is significantly less than what you typically see in the industry. As a former federal employee I can testify to that and I had excellent performance throughout my duration of work at Federal government. No wonder federal employees can do their work in 20 hrs or less per week while still being a high performer.
Also, the annual performance evaluation of federal employees is a joke. There isn’t any real evaluation, no feedback sought from your direct reports, collaborators, or stakeholders. All employees usually get a same rating almost every year, unless one is totally negligent. The supervisors would give the highest rating to their favorites or those who are next in line for a promotion. Been there, seen that!

I hired a 52 year old Federal Worker to do the exact same job she was doing in the Federal Work Force. She last 90 days. She told me straight up what I was asking her to do each month she got three months to do at her Fed job. I then had to tell her that is only cause she is new. In a few months I need to see double that. She then said so in two weeks you want me to do what I got to do in Fed in three months. She basically gave up.

And 40 hours is the minimun not the maximun work hours in real world. In big banks and Wall Street 50 hours is normal. They company would have to hire 20 percent more people if they did 40 hours a week.

I hope you're not required to write as part of your job.

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Anonymous wrote:Clarification on OPM website indicates situational telework will be only for weather and emergencies declared by the agency.

So I guess that means ANY time I have a doctor's appointment, or one of my kids does, I'll be taking an entire day of SL? Is that even allowed? I've heard some policies saying you can't take more than a half day. But the last train into DC leaves from my city at 7 AM, and I'm sure not buying a second car just to drive an hour to the end of a metro line after appointments.

Cn you please provide a link? I looked but wasn't able to find this. THank you.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/USOPM/bulletins/3ce821e

Any idea what this means?


“ Agency heads and employee supervisors are only required to certify telework for “other compelling reasons” for an employee not working full time at the duty station. No such certification is required for an employee disability or qualifying medical condition outside of their agency’s reasonable accommodation procedures. “

I was wondering the same. Who is writing this crap?

AI

AI is more coherent. This was written by 25 year olds raised on Logan Paul videos.

You got that right. This OPM mf writing makes no sense. Anyone have any ideas or examples of qualifying medical condition? I have high cholesterol and prediabetic.

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry not sorry, MAGA, you lost on this one. Thanks for posting, PP kickass mom!

Oh, PLEASE.

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Anonymous wrote:I have 100,000 people but 80,000 seats. But I really only need and want 80,000 people.

I can build more offices, rent more space for 100,000 people or just pack them in till enough people quit I have enough room.

If you ran a company what would you do?

Have the people that don’t need to be at work work at home

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump can work at Mar-a-Lago, I can work from my cul-de-sac.

Well, when you’re elected president, you can make that decision.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Please don’t act like the average Fed is logging in at night to work. Most of them do their 8 hours and whatever gets done, gets done. I don’t say this pejoratively btw. I would love to do that.

I have done it so many times after the kids were in bed. I'm a night owl and actually very productive in the evening.

I've also done it, largely because we communicate with the West Coast and with Europe regularly. I have to be on calls at 3am sometimes. I've also been called into meeting with domestic staff at 6pm or later.

Yes, I imagine many/most feds don't have these kinds of jobs, but that just suggests there be....gasp....the flexibility there is now wrt telework agreements.

Truth. I’m about to start working with some folks in Asia and prior to this nonsense I was prepared to get up early/log back on late to make it work. Now I really do not GAF. they can work around my strict 9-530 DC time schedule.

You sound like a stellar employee. Sub-par is more likely. You would not survive outside the government

You can go cry in your pillow then. before this attack on us, I was very motivated to work with my folks and smooth the path for them and go the extra mile. Now I will do my best but it will be strictly from 9-5:30 and on my terms.

DP, but you’re hilarious. If you want to see the people “crying in your pillow” here, look in the mirror.

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Anonymous wrote:PPs saying that feds can't make it the private sector are just worried that they will be facing 10x more competition for their jobs, and as such their benefits are going to suffer.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Please don’t act like the average Fed is logging in at night to work. Most of them do their 8 hours and whatever gets done, gets done. I don’t say this pejoratively btw. I would love to do that.

I have done it so many times after the kids were in bed. I'm a night owl and actually very productive in the evening.

I've also done it, largely because we communicate with the West Coast and with Europe regularly. I have to be on calls at 3am sometimes. I've also been called into meeting with domestic staff at 6pm or later.

Yes, I imagine many/most feds don't have these kinds of jobs, but that just suggests there be....gasp....the flexibility there is now wrt telework agreements.

Truth. I’m about to start working with some folks in Asia and prior to this nonsense I was prepared to get up early/log back on late to make it work. Now I really do not GAF. they can work around my strict 9-530 DC time schedule.

You sound like a stellar employee. Sub-par is more likely. You would not survive outside the government

You can go cry in your pillow then. before this attack on us, I was very motivated to work with my folks and smooth the path for them and go the extra mile. Now I will do my best but it will be strictly from 9-5:30 and on my terms.

This seems like a good idea when your boss is looking for any and all reasons to get rid of you. Bye!

Boss can't figure you for doing your job and working the negotiated hours. At least not in federal government. I get that's your experience in the private sector, though. Sorry to hear that.

LOL! Where have you been since the election?

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My management pulled the plug last week and started requiring immediate RTO. Most offices gave until the 24th, but not us.

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Anonymous wrote:My dad worked for the fed govt in the 80s and 90s and left our house at 5:00 am to drive a vanpool van from PWC to DC. He would
be home around 4 pm, except once a
month when then whole vanpool donated blood in order to get to leave work two hours early. This was a normal commuting schedule in our MC neighborhood for federal workers.

I am/was one of those. I can't telework because my jobs don't allow it. I never have.

This whole thread is bizarre to me. I can't imagine complaining about having to show up to a job that you were hired for. How did we get so screwed up that people complain about having to work in person?

Don’t read the thread if it bothers you.

Don’t read the comments if they bother you.

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Anonymous wrote:Federal workers are soft. Most of America reports to work every day and get fired if they don't show up for work.

Feds show up and work every day also - some are assigned to an office, others to other locations. If your boss changes your working conditions even though there’s a lawful contract in place and says he’s doing it for spite, wouldn’t you be angry and seek redress? In the meantime, of course Feds will go to the office, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t fight.

Go ahead. Fight. Good luck with that. But the endless whining is embarrassing, and you should be embarrassed.