Gaza War, Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:This is the first time an American politician has lost support for support Israel. Biden will be the last pro Israel president.

You are mistaken, just as Rome and the British empires collapsed by the demands of its colonies, so will the USA. Israel is not going down without starting world war III and taking the US down with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the first time an American politician has lost support for support Israel. Biden will be the last pro Israel president.

I am one of those who will not be voting for Biden. However, I do suppose Israel and its right to exist as a nation .What I do not support is their right to commit genocide and U.S declaring that “we will support Israel no matter what”. That’s a morally bankrupt statement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the first time an American politician has lost support for support Israel. Biden will be the last pro Israel president.

You are mistaken, just as Rome and the British empires collapsed by the demands of its colonies, so will the USA. Israel is not going down without starting world war III and taking the US down with it.

In your fantasies perhaps.

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^ support not suppose.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Atlantic, a deeply thoughtful article about the profound failure of the settler-colonialist language of the left in this conflict.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

The whole article is incisive and well-written; here is one quote that stood out:

I always wondered about the leftist intellectuals who supported Stalin, and those aristocratic sympathizers and peace activists who excused Hitler. Today’s Hamas apologists and atrocity-deniers, with their robotic denunciations of “settler-colonialism,” belong to the same tradition but worse: They have abundant evidence of the slaughter of old people, teenagers, and children, but unlike those fools of the 1930s, who slowly came around to the truth, they have not changed their views an iota. The lack of decency and respect for human life is astonishing: Almost instantly after the Hamas attack, a legion of people emerged who downplayed the slaughter, or denied actual atrocities had even happened, as if Hamas had just carried out a traditional military operation against soldiers. October 7 deniers, like Holocaust deniers, exist in an especially dark place.

They are using the colonizer narrative to gain support of gullible people in the nebulous "POC" category, ironically many whose parents moved from their non western country to the country they are protesting in.

I gifted the article for those without an Atlantic subscription:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/?gift=-JEepDEcAn1D86wtlbLwDMUUddpd2QV5A_mdxlSzdRk&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Thank you!

I think the author makes specious arguments. I don’t think of Israel and Palestine through a prism of race - I don’t care about that. The author moves from that immediately into a sentence where he claims Israel’s critics argue that Israel “therefore” cannot be oppressed or victimized - as if that’s the argument used against Israel’s actions when it isn’t. Israel is in my view running an apartheid state as recognized by a sizable number of Israelis in the WB, and is a rightist-run hawkish state that has oppressed murdered and humiliated Palestinians for decades. None of that view is based on US-style identity politics.

The rhetoric of the past 3 weeks or so is 100% U.S. style identity politics--people not condemning Hamas have no other rhetorical tactic to use. They have to make themselves a victim.

Exactly. When you describe the world entirely in US-style colonizer/colonized identity binaries, you have no vocabulary left to explain the Hamas atrocities. Hence the silence or worse, minimization.

Although the author didn’t touch on it, I’ve also found the peculiar silence on the use of sexual violence as a war crime to be remarkable. The progressive left has wholeheartedly embraced misogyny as a political platform lately, and the excuses made are notable. We saw this here in DCUM in the victim-blaming of Shani Louk and the state of her underwear, as though that was a detail more important than the plain torture she obviously endured.

Israel was created based on colonial powers and tactics. The Brits didn't own the land just like they didn't own Africa but that didn't stop them from carving up the continent to suit their whims. Divide and conquer was always the method used. They didn't want to deal with Jews so they plopped them in land they newly carved up to create a Jewish state. Israel and the conflict with Palestinians is still a legacy of colonial rule.

If you had your way the Arab League would have won and ethnically cleansed the Jews. Your angry that the Nakba didn’t happen to the Jews instead.

There is no moral high horse on either side.

Be mad at Europe for exiling Jews to a little plot of land in Arab/Muslim world because they didn't want to deal with Jews fairly. Opting to leave Europe was not an easy decision but it's clear that the UN picked the least problematic solution for Europe, without any regard for what the long term-consequences would be for Jews and Arabs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US is preventing people from leaving? Jesus you people are deranged.

This US administration has made no arrangements or demands for safe passage of its citizens. Not even a mildly worded statement. They go to the Rafah crossing in desperation and can't be let out. There are dozens posting on Twitter and Instagram. Some have already died. They are nothing but little chess pieces to deliver a cruel message.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Atlantic, a deeply thoughtful article about the profound failure of the settler-colonialist language of the left in this conflict.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

The whole article is incisive and well-written; here is one quote that stood out:

I always wondered about the leftist intellectuals who supported Stalin, and those aristocratic sympathizers and peace activists who excused Hitler. Today’s Hamas apologists and atrocity-deniers, with their robotic denunciations of “settler-colonialism,” belong to the same tradition but worse: They have abundant evidence of the slaughter of old people, teenagers, and children, but unlike those fools of the 1930s, who slowly came around to the truth, they have not changed their views an iota. The lack of decency and respect for human life is astonishing: Almost instantly after the Hamas attack, a legion of people emerged who downplayed the slaughter, or denied actual atrocities had even happened, as if Hamas had just carried out a traditional military operation against soldiers. October 7 deniers, like Holocaust deniers, exist in an especially dark place.

They are using the colonizer narrative to gain support of gullible people in the nebulous "POC" category, ironically many whose parents moved from their non western country to the country they are protesting in.

I gifted the article for those without an Atlantic subscription:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/?gift=-JEepDEcAn1D86wtlbLwDMUUddpd2QV5A_mdxlSzdRk&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Thank you!

I think the author makes specious arguments. I don’t think of Israel and Palestine through a prism of race - I don’t care about that. The author moves from that immediately into a sentence where he claims Israel’s critics argue that Israel “therefore” cannot be oppressed or victimized - as if that’s the argument used against Israel’s actions when it isn’t. Israel is in my view running an apartheid state as recognized by a sizable number of Israelis in the WB, and is a rightist-run hawkish state that has oppressed murdered and humiliated Palestinians for decades. None of that view is based on US-style identity politics.

The rhetoric of the past 3 weeks or so is 100% U.S. style identity politics--people not condemning Hamas have no other rhetorical tactic to use. They have to make themselves a victim.

Of course the same can be said about the ardent pro-Israelis with their reflexive claims of anti-Semitism, refusal to acknowledge any contribution or fault, and appeals to some sort of ancient historical claim. It's the exact same "we were oppressed in the past so we cannot oppress now" bull crap.

Nope, your whole argument fails because Israel is not at fault for being terrorized against. An no, terrorism is not equal to having your feelings hurt because of a nation that was formed closed to 80 years ago.

Thank you for providng such an on point example.

What has been happening in the West Bank is terrorism. The Israeli Government has terrorists in its Cabinet. There is more than enough fault to go around and yes it is all connected to each other.

Then fight the war you started on 10/7 against your "terrorizers" and don't ask for a ceasefire.

First off F You. You specifically. You are a monster. I didn't do anything and I don't support crimes against humanity. Any crimes against humanity.

You are so mad and spouting explatives because I blew up your entire argument. Your post was rendered non sensible and you do not know how to react.

No you didnt. You outed yourself as a stain on humanity. A walking talking golem of the banality of evil that accused a random person of being a terrorist that commits crimes against humanity because they dared to point out the rot within the Israeli government.

The most ironic thing about this is that while you think you are defending your favorite team you aren't. You're exposing the evil in your heart and discrediting them by implicationm. You have harmed your own cause with your personal inhumanity and evil.

Personally, I enjoy seeing these illiterate loudmouths, who would find an excuse to defend the actions of the State of Israel if it dragged all of us into a world war, barking down anyone who dares to criticize Bibi’s terrorist regime . And convincing themselves that others will fall for it if they just say they dismantled the cogent, laser-precise arguments that hurt their feelings so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US is preventing people from leaving? Jesus you people are deranged.

This US administration has made no arrangements or demands for safe passage of its citizens. Not even a mildly worded statement. They go to the Rafah crossing in desperation and can't be let out. There are dozens posting on Twitter and Instagram. Some have already died. They are nothing but little chess pieces to deliver a cruel message.

+1 I personally know someone who is stuck with her five American children. They went to Gaza a month ago to visit her husband's family in the country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US is preventing people from leaving? Jesus you people are deranged.

This US administration has made no arrangements or demands for safe passage of its citizens. Not even a mildly worded statement. They go to the Rafah crossing in desperation and can't be let out. There are dozens posting on Twitter and Instagram. Some have already died. They are nothing but little chess pieces to deliver a cruel message.

That is just false you Hamas parrot.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Atlantic, a deeply thoughtful article about the profound failure of the settler-colonialist language of the left in this conflict.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

The whole article is incisive and well-written; here is one quote that stood out:

I always wondered about the leftist intellectuals who supported Stalin, and those aristocratic sympathizers and peace activists who excused Hitler. Today’s Hamas apologists and atrocity-deniers, with their robotic denunciations of “settler-colonialism,” belong to the same tradition but worse: They have abundant evidence of the slaughter of old people, teenagers, and children, but unlike those fools of the 1930s, who slowly came around to the truth, they have not changed their views an iota. The lack of decency and respect for human life is astonishing: Almost instantly after the Hamas attack, a legion of people emerged who downplayed the slaughter, or denied actual atrocities had even happened, as if Hamas had just carried out a traditional military operation against soldiers. October 7 deniers, like Holocaust deniers, exist in an especially dark place.

They are using the colonizer narrative to gain support of gullible people in the nebulous "POC" category, ironically many whose parents moved from their non western country to the country they are protesting in.

I gifted the article for those without an Atlantic subscription:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/?gift=-JEepDEcAn1D86wtlbLwDMUUddpd2QV5A_mdxlSzdRk&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Thank you!

I think the author makes specious arguments. I don’t think of Israel and Palestine through a prism of race - I don’t care about that. The author moves from that immediately into a sentence where he claims Israel’s critics argue that Israel “therefore” cannot be oppressed or victimized - as if that’s the argument used against Israel’s actions when it isn’t. Israel is in my view running an apartheid state as recognized by a sizable number of Israelis in the WB, and is a rightist-run hawkish state that has oppressed murdered and humiliated Palestinians for decades. None of that view is based on US-style identity politics.

The rhetoric of the past 3 weeks or so is 100% U.S. style identity politics--people not condemning Hamas have no other rhetorical tactic to use. They have to make themselves a victim.

Of course the same can be said about the ardent pro-Israelis with their reflexive claims of anti-Semitism, refusal to acknowledge any contribution or fault, and appeals to some sort of ancient historical claim. It's the exact same "we were oppressed in the past so we cannot oppress now" bull crap.

Nope, your whole argument fails because Israel is not at fault for being terrorized against. An no, terrorism is not equal to having your feelings hurt because of a nation that was formed closed to 80 years ago.

Thank you for providng such an on point example.

What has been happening in the West Bank is terrorism. The Israeli Government has terrorists in its Cabinet. There is more than enough fault to go around and yes it is all connected to each other.

Then fight the war you started on 10/7 against your "terrorizers" and don't ask for a ceasefire.

First off F You. You specifically. You are a monster. I didn't do anything and I don't support crimes against humanity. Any crimes against humanity.

You are so mad and spouting explatives because I blew up your entire argument. Your post was rendered non sensible and you do not know how to react.

No you didnt. You outed yourself as a stain on humanity. A walking talking golem of the banality of evil that accused a random person of being a terrorist that commits crimes against humanity because they dared to point out the rot within the Israeli government.

The most ironic thing about this is that while you think you are defending your favorite team you aren't. You're exposing the evil in your heart and discrediting them by implicationm. You have harmed your own cause with your personal inhumanity and evil.

When you (Hamas) start a war, don't be surprised when people fight back, and your loved ones are harmed in the process.

This is what you fail to realize. Hamas doesn’t have “loved ones”. You cannot get to them by harming their human shields. All you do is give up your own humanity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US is preventing people from leaving? Jesus you people are deranged.

This US administration has made no arrangements or demands for safe passage of its citizens. Not even a mildly worded statement. They go to the Rafah crossing in desperation and can't be let out. There are dozens posting on Twitter and Instagram. Some have already died. They are nothing but little chess pieces to deliver a cruel message.

That is just false you Hamas parrot.

The truth is there for everyone to see you despicable shill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US is preventing people from leaving? Jesus you people are deranged.

This US administration has made no arrangements or demands for safe passage of its citizens. Not even a mildly worded statement. They go to the Rafah crossing in desperation and can't be let out. There are dozens posting on Twitter and Instagram. Some have already died. They are nothing but little chess pieces to deliver a cruel message.

That is just false you Hamas parrot.

The truth is there for everyone to see you despicable shill.

The truth? Truth is you want them to die in your deranged jihad.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Atlantic, a deeply thoughtful article about the profound failure of the settler-colonialist language of the left in this conflict.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

The whole article is incisive and well-written; here is one quote that stood out:

I always wondered about the leftist intellectuals who supported Stalin, and those aristocratic sympathizers and peace activists who excused Hitler. Today’s Hamas apologists and atrocity-deniers, with their robotic denunciations of “settler-colonialism,” belong to the same tradition but worse: They have abundant evidence of the slaughter of old people, teenagers, and children, but unlike those fools of the 1930s, who slowly came around to the truth, they have not changed their views an iota. The lack of decency and respect for human life is astonishing: Almost instantly after the Hamas attack, a legion of people emerged who downplayed the slaughter, or denied actual atrocities had even happened, as if Hamas had just carried out a traditional military operation against soldiers. October 7 deniers, like Holocaust deniers, exist in an especially dark place.

They are using the colonizer narrative to gain support of gullible people in the nebulous "POC" category, ironically many whose parents moved from their non western country to the country they are protesting in.

I gifted the article for those without an Atlantic subscription:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/?gift=-JEepDEcAn1D86wtlbLwDMUUddpd2QV5A_mdxlSzdRk&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Thank you!

I think the author makes specious arguments. I don’t think of Israel and Palestine through a prism of race - I don’t care about that. The author moves from that immediately into a sentence where he claims Israel’s critics argue that Israel “therefore” cannot be oppressed or victimized - as if that’s the argument used against Israel’s actions when it isn’t. Israel is in my view running an apartheid state as recognized by a sizable number of Israelis in the WB, and is a rightist-run hawkish state that has oppressed murdered and humiliated Palestinians for decades. None of that view is based on US-style identity politics.

The rhetoric of the past 3 weeks or so is 100% U.S. style identity politics--people not condemning Hamas have no other rhetorical tactic to use. They have to make themselves a victim.

Of course the same can be said about the ardent pro-Israelis with their reflexive claims of anti-Semitism, refusal to acknowledge any contribution or fault, and appeals to some sort of ancient historical claim. It's the exact same "we were oppressed in the past so we cannot oppress now" bull crap.

Nope, your whole argument fails because Israel is not at fault for being terrorized against. An no, terrorism is not equal to having your feelings hurt because of a nation that was formed closed to 80 years ago.

Thank you for providng such an on point example.

What has been happening in the West Bank is terrorism. The Israeli Government has terrorists in its Cabinet. There is more than enough fault to go around and yes it is all connected to each other.

Then fight the war you started on 10/7 against your "terrorizers" and don't ask for a ceasefire.

First off F You. You specifically. You are a monster. I didn't do anything and I don't support crimes against humanity. Any crimes against humanity.

You are so mad and spouting explatives because I blew up your entire argument. Your post was rendered non sensible and you do not know how to react.

No you didnt. You outed yourself as a stain on humanity. A walking talking golem of the banality of evil that accused a random person of being a terrorist that commits crimes against humanity because they dared to point out the rot within the Israeli government.

The most ironic thing about this is that while you think you are defending your favorite team you aren't. You're exposing the evil in your heart and discrediting them by implicationm. You have harmed your own cause with your personal inhumanity and evil.

When you (Hamas) start a war, don't be surprised when people fight back, and your loved ones are harmed in the process.

This is what you fail to realize. Hamas doesn’t have “loved ones”. You cannot get to them by harming their human shields. All you do is give up your own humanity.

It must be so hard for you. 80 years of stealing, killing, dismembering, dehumanizing, leveling off again and again, and yet there they still stand a permanent reminder of your organized and sanctioned savagery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US is preventing people from leaving? Jesus you people are deranged.

This US administration has made no arrangements or demands for safe passage of its citizens. Not even a mildly worded statement. They go to the Rafah crossing in desperation and can't be let out. There are dozens posting on Twitter and Instagram. Some have already died. They are nothing but little chess pieces to deliver a cruel message.

That is just false you Hamas parrot.

The truth is there for everyone to see you despicable shill.

The truth? Truth is you want them to die in your deranged jihad.

I want them to come home, but they can't, because making an example of them is a useful terror and dehumanization tactic.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Atlantic, a deeply thoughtful article about the profound failure of the settler-colonialist language of the left in this conflict.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

The whole article is incisive and well-written; here is one quote that stood out:

I always wondered about the leftist intellectuals who supported Stalin, and those aristocratic sympathizers and peace activists who excused Hitler. Today’s Hamas apologists and atrocity-deniers, with their robotic denunciations of “settler-colonialism,” belong to the same tradition but worse: They have abundant evidence of the slaughter of old people, teenagers, and children, but unlike those fools of the 1930s, who slowly came around to the truth, they have not changed their views an iota. The lack of decency and respect for human life is astonishing: Almost instantly after the Hamas attack, a legion of people emerged who downplayed the slaughter, or denied actual atrocities had even happened, as if Hamas had just carried out a traditional military operation against soldiers. October 7 deniers, like Holocaust deniers, exist in an especially dark place.

They are using the colonizer narrative to gain support of gullible people in the nebulous "POC" category, ironically many whose parents moved from their non western country to the country they are protesting in.

I gifted the article for those without an Atlantic subscription:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/?gift=-JEepDEcAn1D86wtlbLwDMUUddpd2QV5A_mdxlSzdRk&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Thank you!

I think the author makes specious arguments. I don’t think of Israel and Palestine through a prism of race - I don’t care about that. The author moves from that immediately into a sentence where he claims Israel’s critics argue that Israel “therefore” cannot be oppressed or victimized - as if that’s the argument used against Israel’s actions when it isn’t. Israel is in my view running an apartheid state as recognized by a sizable number of Israelis in the WB, and is a rightist-run hawkish state that has oppressed murdered and humiliated Palestinians for decades. None of that view is based on US-style identity politics.

The rhetoric of the past 3 weeks or so is 100% U.S. style identity politics--people not condemning Hamas have no other rhetorical tactic to use. They have to make themselves a victim.

Of course the same can be said about the ardent pro-Israelis with their reflexive claims of anti-Semitism, refusal to acknowledge any contribution or fault, and appeals to some sort of ancient historical claim. It's the exact same "we were oppressed in the past so we cannot oppress now" bull crap.

Nope, your whole argument fails because Israel is not at fault for being terrorized against. An no, terrorism is not equal to having your feelings hurt because of a nation that was formed closed to 80 years ago.

Thank you for providng such an on point example.

What has been happening in the West Bank is terrorism. The Israeli Government has terrorists in its Cabinet. There is more than enough fault to go around and yes it is all connected to each other.

Then fight the war you started on 10/7 against your "terrorizers" and don't ask for a ceasefire.

First off F You. You specifically. You are a monster. I didn't do anything and I don't support crimes against humanity. Any crimes against humanity.

You are so mad and spouting explatives because I blew up your entire argument. Your post was rendered non sensible and you do not know how to react.

No you didnt. You outed yourself as a stain on humanity. A walking talking golem of the banality of evil that accused a random person of being a terrorist that commits crimes against humanity because they dared to point out the rot within the Israeli government.

The most ironic thing about this is that while you think you are defending your favorite team you aren't. You're exposing the evil in your heart and discrediting them by implicationm. You have harmed your own cause with your personal inhumanity and evil.

When you (Hamas) start a war, don't be surprised when people fight back, and your loved ones are harmed in the process.

This is what you fail to realize. Hamas doesn’t have “loved ones”. You cannot get to them by harming their human shields. All you do is give up your own humanity.

It must be so hard for you. 80 years of stealing, killing, dismembering, dehumanizing, leveling off again and again, and yet there they still stand a permanent reminder of your organized and sanctioned savagery.

Not even hiding your freak flag anymore. Human shields, glory to your martyrs eh?