Man asked woman to leash her dog in a public park -- she called the police on him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

Trump playbook. Nope, nope, nope. You can call it all that you want to call because you are a fringe extreme racist. Others and the world is not buying it. Her employer is not buying it and no one else in the world is buying it.

There is one person here who is the victim of racism. There is the White lady here who is an evil Hitler reincarnate. The White woman was racist and clearly intended to cause grievous body harm this African American man and shockingly abusive to the dog,

Those who cannot see this are part of the problem. Their protestations can fall only in the ears of Neo-Nazi, InCels, Fox News watching vigilantes. In short - Trumpers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just got around to watching this video - what is racist about what she did? Honest question. She seems genuinely scared and uncertain of why someone is filming her. I guess I would be too, regardless of Race.

Okay well good for you for not seeing anything racist about it but this thread is friggin 65 pages long already I know you honestly don't expect to just jump in and start the discussion/debate from scratch do you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just got around to watching this video - what is racist about what she did? Honest question. She seems genuinely scared and uncertain of why someone is filming her. I guess I would be too, regardless of
Race.

Lucky for you there's pages and pages explaining it!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman loses her dog loses her job but gets the guy. It would be a great rom com if they got to know each other and got together and got married!

They could go bird watching together with their dogs. Love is color blind. And has the same last name!

It is meant to be.

Jennifer Aniston could star in the movie.

I'm pretty sure the guy is gay, so this wasn't actually meant to be.

No consenting adult human being of any sexual orientation should get this person as a romantic partner. No animal should have her as a pet owner. No child should have this woman as a caretaker or a mother. She is a psycho. I am sure many people have felt it with her.

The worst thing that can come out of this whole episode is if she actually adopts a child because she needs some distraction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just got around to watching this video - what is racist about what she did? Honest question. She seems genuinely scared and uncertain of why someone is filming her. I guess I would be too, regardless of
Race.

Have you been living under a rock? Try Googling "black fear of police" and read. While there are some situations where violence may be necessary, in a very disproportionately large number of cases, merely being black and in particular a black man, causes an accused perpetrator to be manhandled, beaten assaulted and often killed. Police brutality against black men has caused a movement called #BlackLivesMatter which complains about police brutality against blacks, in particular black men. Black men have been killed when unarmed, when following directions and many times when restrained. Look up the names and videos of George Floyd, Botham Jean, Michael Slager, Freddie Gray, De'Von Bailey, Stephon Clark, the list goes on an on.

The only thing this man did was ask her politely to leash her dog, but the entitled white woman maliciously plotted to make him pay by potentially risking his life. She claims he is threatening her, so he videorecords her. She says she feels threatened, yet instead of taking her dog and retreating, or leashing her dog or ignoring him, instead she confronts him aggressively, approaching him until he asks her, again politely, to please not come near him. She then tells him calmly that she is going to call the police and report that he, a black man, is threatening and attacking her, a white woman. She's calm and not frightened. She's clearly doing this not because she feels threatened, but because she feels vindictive about him questioning her right to defy the law and run her dog through a protected bird habitat. He politely asks her to call the police. So she does so and despite him standing at a distance from her (he never approached her throughout the encounter, so could not threaten her) she then calls 911 and reports, in a very exaggerated fashion that an African American man is threatening her and her dog in the park. When she doesn't get the response she wants, she then feigns greater and greater anxiety and acts hysterical. Note that neither before she connects nor after she hangs up is she having the same level of anxiety. It's completely fabricated, just like her story.

That's a false police report which is a misdemeanor crime and slander which is a civil violation. The police have said that they do not intend to prosecute and the victim does not. However, NYC's Commission on Human Rights is investigating as they are mandated to fight discrimination within the five boroughs. They may still decide to penalize her for her illegal actions.

She's an intelligent college and post-collegiate degreed woman and she cannot be that oblivious to the racial overtones that she deliberately used to endanger the victim. If you can't understand that black men fear being targeted by the police, I think you need to come out of your sheltered bubble and see what is happening in the community around you.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-city-commission-on-human-rights-investigating-incident-at-park-20200527-7qzlrberhrc5xmpfqdpnsapgxm-story.html

[Anonymous]

"ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it."

I would take that as a threat, and combined with the fact that the man was trying to offer her dogs treats, I would have thought that he wanted to poison my dog. He did threaten her/her dog. The man clearly wanted a reaction to film. Both are very wrong here (yes I think she is racist), and her life is completely ruined.
And fwiw, I hate people who refuse to leash their dogs - it happens all the time; they claim there dogs are so gentle, would never hurt anyone etc etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it."

I would take that as a threat, and combined with the fact that the man was trying to offer her dogs treats, I would have thought that he wanted to poison my dog. He did threaten her/her dog. The man clearly wanted a reaction to film. Both are very wrong here (yes I think she is racist), and her life is completely ruined.
And fwiw, I hate people who refuse to leash their dogs - it happens all the time; they claim there dogs are so gentle, would never hurt anyone etc etc.

No. Just no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it."

I would take that as a threat, and combined with the fact that the man was trying to offer her dogs treats, I would have thought that he wanted to poison my dog. He did threaten her/her dog. The man clearly wanted a reaction to film. Both are very wrong here (yes I think she is racist), and her life is completely ruined.
And fwiw, I hate people who refuse to leash their dogs - it happens all the time; they claim there dogs are so gentle, would never hurt anyone etc etc.

No. She knew within 20 seconds that he was going to give her dog treats. I don’t know how you imagined that about poison, but what are the odds someone is walking around with poisoned dog treats in their pocket.

Anyway, by the time she called the police, she knew it was just treats, and she had her dog on a leash. So all her talk about a black man threatening her was just lies for the benefit of the police and people like you.

[Anonymous]

This was not a case of racism. It was a case of two entitled jerks one white and one black.

[Anonymous]

Man, she chose a bad time to become the viral representation of white privilege and using cops as a weapon against black men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just got around to watching this video - what is racist about what she did? Honest question. She seems genuinely scared and uncertain of why someone is filming her. I guess I would be too, regardless of
Race.

Have you been living under a rock? Try Googling "black fear of police" and read. While there are some situations where violence may be necessary, in a very disproportionately large number of cases, merely being black and in particular a black man, causes an accused perpetrator to be manhandled, beaten assaulted and often killed. Police brutality against black men has caused a movement called #BlackLivesMatter which complains about police brutality against blacks, in particular black men. Black men have been killed when unarmed, when following directions and many times when restrained. Look up the names and videos of George Floyd, Botham Jean, Michael Slager, Freddie Gray, De'Von Bailey, Stephon Clark, the list goes on an on.

The only thing this man did was ask her politely to leash her dog, but the entitled white woman maliciously plotted to make him pay by potentially risking his life. She claims he is threatening her, so he videorecords her. She says she feels threatened, yet instead of taking her dog and retreating, or leashing her dog or ignoring him, instead she confronts him aggressively, approaching him until he asks her, again politely, to please not come near him. She then tells him calmly that she is going to call the police and report that he, a black man, is threatening and attacking her, a white woman. She's calm and not frightened. She's clearly doing this not because she feels threatened, but because she feels vindictive about him questioning her right to defy the law and run her dog through a protected bird habitat. He politely asks her to call the police. So she does so and despite him standing at a distance from her (he never approached her throughout the encounter, so could not threaten her) she then calls 911 and reports, in a very exaggerated fashion that an African American man is threatening her and her dog in the park. When she doesn't get the response she wants, she then feigns greater and greater anxiety and acts hysterical. Note that neither before she connects nor after she hangs up is she having the same level of anxiety. It's completely fabricated, just like her story.

That's a false police report which is a misdemeanor crime and slander which is a civil violation. The police have said that they do not intend to prosecute and the victim does not. However, NYC's Commission on Human Rights is investigating as they are mandated to fight discrimination within the five boroughs. They may still decide to penalize her for her illegal actions.

She's an intelligent college and post-collegiate degreed woman and she cannot be that oblivious to the racial overtones that she deliberately used to endanger the victim. If you can't understand that black men fear being targeted by the police, I think you need to come out of your sheltered bubble and see what is happening in the community around you.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-city-commission-on-human-rights-investigating-incident-at-park-20200527-7qzlrberhrc5xmpfqdpnsapgxm-story.html

It's as if you are living vicariously through these victims. Try living in the real world and you will be much less bitter and racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

They are getting this from misinterpreting what he posted on his Facebook page. Here is his accounting of what happened before the video (so it is only his perspective and she has not commented on it)

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

On Facebook, Christian Cooper wrote, “Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.” He described the conversation he says occurred before he began recording with his cell phone:

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…

Christian Cooper said he was planning to offer the dog treats. He told NBC New York, “If the habitat is destroyed we won’t be able to go there to see the birds, to enjoy the plantings. The only way they can keep the dog from eating the treat is to put it on a leash. At some point, she decided I’m gonna play the race card, I guess.”

Christian Cooper wrote, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.” He said she then yelled at him, “don’t you touch my dog.” Christian Cooper said, “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…”

They read the underlined line as a threat. I read it as a response, a statement. They seem to hear him saying this with menace in his voice and with scream film music in the background. I hear him saying it calmly, in the same tone that he used a few seconds later in the video. He is trying to illustrate that she does not have control of her pet as she thinks she does. She says that the dog won't come, but he is planning to offer a dog treat. As he says, the way to stop the dog from taking the treat is to leash him. Then he won't get to the treat, but she is not willing to do that.

Regardless of his tone, the words constitute a threat.

Signed,

Lawyer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

They are getting this from misinterpreting what he posted on his Facebook page. Here is his accounting of what happened before the video (so it is only his perspective and she has not commented on it)

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

On Facebook, Christian Cooper wrote, “Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.” He described the conversation he says occurred before he began recording with his cell phone:

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…

Christian Cooper said he was planning to offer the dog treats. He told NBC New York, “If the habitat is destroyed we won’t be able to go there to see the birds, to enjoy the plantings. The only way they can keep the dog from eating the treat is to put it on a leash. At some point, she decided I’m gonna play the race card, I guess.”

Christian Cooper wrote, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.” He said she then yelled at him, “don’t you touch my dog.” Christian Cooper said, “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…”

They read the underlined line as a threat. I read it as a response, a statement. They seem to hear him saying this with menace in his voice and with scream film music in the background. I hear him saying it calmly, in the same tone that he used a few seconds later in the video. He is trying to illustrate that she does not have control of her pet as she thinks she does. She says that the dog won't come, but he is planning to offer a dog treat. As he says, the way to stop the dog from taking the treat is to leash him. Then he won't get to the treat, but she is not willing to do that.

Regardless of his tone, the words constitute a threat.

Signed,

Lawyer

Right, but the threat was over about 10 seconds later, as soon as he pulled out the dog biscuits. Then she realized it was just dog biscuits/wasn't actually a threat.

Signed,

Not a lawyer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

They are getting this from misinterpreting what he posted on his Facebook page. Here is his accounting of what happened before the video (so it is only his perspective and she has not commented on it)

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

On Facebook, Christian Cooper wrote, “Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.” He described the conversation he says occurred before he began recording with his cell phone:

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…

Christian Cooper said he was planning to offer the dog treats. He told NBC New York, “If the habitat is destroyed we won’t be able to go there to see the birds, to enjoy the plantings. The only way they can keep the dog from eating the treat is to put it on a leash. At some point, she decided I’m gonna play the race card, I guess.”

Christian Cooper wrote, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.” He said she then yelled at him, “don’t you touch my dog.” Christian Cooper said, “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…”

They read the underlined line as a threat. I read it as a response, a statement. They seem to hear him saying this with menace in his voice and with scream film music in the background. I hear him saying it calmly, in the same tone that he used a few seconds later in the video. He is trying to illustrate that she does not have control of her pet as she thinks she does. She says that the dog won't come, but he is planning to offer a dog treat. As he says, the way to stop the dog from taking the treat is to leash him. Then he won't get to the treat, but she is not willing to do that.

Regardless of his tone, the words constitute a threat.

Signed,

Lawyer

Right, but the threat was over about 10 seconds later, as soon as he pulled out the dog biscuits. Then she realized it was just dog biscuits/wasn't actually a threat.

Signed,

Not a lawyer

PS. All this happened BEFORE she called 911 and started shouting about threats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it."

I would take that as a threat, and combined with the fact that the man was trying to offer her dogs treats, I would have thought that he wanted to poison my dog. He did threaten her/her dog. The man clearly wanted a reaction to film. Both are very wrong here (yes I think she is racist), and her life is completely ruined.
And fwiw, I hate people who refuse to leash their dogs - it happens all the time; they claim there dogs are so gentle, would never hurt anyone etc etc.

No. She knew within 20 seconds that he was going to give her dog treats. I don’t know how you imagined that about poison, but what are the odds someone is walking around with poisoned dog treats in their pocket.

Anyway, by the time she called the police, she knew it was just treats, and she had her dog on a leash. So all her talk about a black man threatening her was just lies for the benefit of the police and people like you.

I'm not into this statement--which he says he said. I can see how things escalated there. She seems like she loved her dog a lot, I can see how it escalated. The whole thing is overblown.