Man asked woman to leash her dog in a public park -- she called the police on him

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Woman loses her dog loses her job but gets the guy. It would be a great rom com if they got to know each other and got together and got married!

They could go bird watching together with their dogs. Love is color blind. And has the same last name!

It is meant to be.

Jennifer Aniston could star in the movie.

I'm pretty sure the guy is gay, so this wasn't actually meant to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just picked up some dog treats to carry and throw to the side if an off leash dog approaches me. That man is brilliant.

I thought the same thing. I also thought that I should double bag it so that they don't come near me because of the scent of the treats.

Off topic, but please don't give treats to a dog with an owner who is not accosting you. If I were walking my dog, which I do on a leash, and someone tried to give them something without my permission, I'd be concerned that they were trying to poison my dog.

The treats are for off leash dogs. If a dog is off leash, i don't know that it won't attack me, and I don't know that the owner can control it. The treats would allow me to redirect the dog and protect myself. Please stop trying to conflate these issues. Her dog was not on a leash. Let's stick with the facts.

I didn't conflate anything. How about you stop being a b*tch.

DP. The only person being a B*tch is the selfish, absurdly entitled dog owner that doesn't want to follow the law and be considerate of others.

Grow up, stop being mad, and leash your damn dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woman loses her dog loses her job but gets the guy. It would be a great rom com if they got to know each other and got together and got married!

They could go bird watching together with their dogs. Love is color blind. And has the same last name!

It is meant to be.



Jennifer Aniston could star in the movie.

She could change her name to Amy Cooper-Cooper!

[Anonymous]

+1

I love dogs (especially mine), but I hate the entitlement of so many dog owners around here who think everyone loves their dog and lets them roam around the street/playground/field. Perhaps exlax laced dog treats offered by their neighbors would get them to obey the law...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just picked up some dog treats to carry and throw to the side if an off leash dog approaches me. That man is brilliant.

I thought the same thing. I also thought that I should double bag it so that they don't come near me because of the scent of the treats.

Off topic, but please don't give treats to a dog with an owner who is not accosting you. If I were walking my dog, which I do on a leash, and someone tried to give them something without my permission, I'd be concerned that they were trying to poison my dog.

The treats are for off leash dogs. If a dog is off leash, i don't know that it won't attack me, and I don't know that the owner can control it. The treats would allow me to redirect the dog and protect myself. Please stop trying to conflate these issues. Her dog was not on a leash. Let's stick with the facts.

I didn't conflate anything. How about you stop being a b*tch.

Wowwww. Classy move! Lose the argument, lash out. I see you and Central Park Karen are workin from the same playbook.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman loses her dog loses her job but gets the guy. It would be a great rom com if they got to know each other and got together and got married!

They could go bird watching together with their dogs. Love is color blind. And has the same last name!

It is meant to be.

Jennifer Aniston could star in the movie.

I'm pretty sure the guy is gay, so this wasn't actually meant to be.

Go figure The man is hot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman loses her dog loses her job but gets the guy. It would be a great rom com if they got to know each other and got together and got married!

They could go bird watching together with their dogs. Love is color blind. And has the same last name!

It is meant to be.

Jennifer Aniston could star in the movie.

I'm pretty sure the guy is gay, so this wasn't actually meant to be.

Go figure The man is hot.

+1. And he has a Harvard degree. Oh well!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, she's racist and a drama queen, no doubt.

BUT THE REAL PROBLEM IS POLICE KILLING INNOCENT BLACK MEN.

Her actions were ugly but they shouldn't be equated to killing someone.

So what do you think her threatening to call the police on an innocent black man and actually calling them -- lying to them -- was intended to accomplish?
Outsourcing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

They are getting this from misinterpreting what he posted on his Facebook page. Here is his accounting of what happened before the video (so it is only his perspective and she has not commented on it)

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

On Facebook, Christian Cooper wrote, “Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.” He described the conversation he says occurred before he began recording with his cell phone:

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…

Christian Cooper said he was planning to offer the dog treats. He told NBC New York, “If the habitat is destroyed we won’t be able to go there to see the birds, to enjoy the plantings. The only way they can keep the dog from eating the treat is to put it on a leash. At some point, she decided I’m gonna play the race card, I guess.”

Christian Cooper wrote, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.” He said she then yelled at him, “don’t you touch my dog.” Christian Cooper said, “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…”

They read the underlined line as a threat. I read it as a response, a statement. They seem to hear him saying this with menace in his voice and with scream film music in the background. I hear him saying it calmly, in the same tone that he used a few seconds later in the video. He is trying to illustrate that she does not have control of her pet as she thinks she does. She says that the dog won't come, but he is planning to offer a dog treat. As he says, the way to stop the dog from taking the treat is to leash him. Then he won't get to the treat, but she is not willing to do that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She was wrong. And he did bait her. What she did after the bait though is all on her.

Thank you! I've been thinking about this too much during the last day. Every long-winded thought I've had basically boils down to this.

Have you watched the video? He didn't bait her. He asked her respectfully to leash her dog--in an area where leashes were required.

He took the video for self-protection because he knew yahoos like you would believe her account that he was being aggressive.

^^The baiting was when he called the dog over. I agree she took bait and she is responsible for her actions but the whole exchange was strange. Shouldn't have escalated to what it did.

You're right, he should have just pepper sprayed the dog, which he would have been justified in doing if the dog approached him. Much better option.

Did you see the dog? That dog was not aggressive and I don't recall the gentleman being concerned with aggression but rather unleashed dog disrupt the birds.

Does it matter? Yes, unleashed dogs disrupt birds. But she was breaking the law. He's in the right and she's in the wrong.

My point was that asking her to leash dog was correct but call it over and giving treats seems odd. She definitely overreacted but still seems like the whole exchange escalated unnecessarily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

They are getting this from misinterpreting what he posted on his Facebook page. Here is his accounting of what happened before the video (so it is only his perspective and she has not commented on it)

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

On Facebook, Christian Cooper wrote, “Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.” He described the conversation he says occurred before he began recording with his cell phone:

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…

Christian Cooper said he was planning to offer the dog treats. He told NBC New York, “If the habitat is destroyed we won’t be able to go there to see the birds, to enjoy the plantings. The only way they can keep the dog from eating the treat is to put it on a leash. At some point, she decided I’m gonna play the race card, I guess.”

Christian Cooper wrote, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.” He said she then yelled at him, “don’t you touch my dog.” Christian Cooper said, “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…”

They read the underlined line as a threat. I read it as a response, a statement. They seem to hear him saying this with menace in his voice and with scream film music in the background. I hear him saying it calmly, in the same tone that he used a few seconds later in the video. He is trying to illustrate that she does not have control of her pet as she thinks she does. She says that the dog won't come, but he is planning to offer a dog treat. As he says, the way to stop the dog from taking the treat is to leash him. Then he won't get to the treat, but she is not willing to do that.

It’s clearly and obviously intended as a threat. Doesn’t necessarily excuse her behavior but it’s a clear trigger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

They are getting this from misinterpreting what he posted on his Facebook page. Here is his accounting of what happened before the video (so it is only his perspective and she has not commented on it)

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

On Facebook, Christian Cooper wrote, “Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.” He described the conversation he says occurred before he began recording with his cell phone:

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…

Christian Cooper said he was planning to offer the dog treats. He told NBC New York, “If the habitat is destroyed we won’t be able to go there to see the birds, to enjoy the plantings. The only way they can keep the dog from eating the treat is to put it on a leash. At some point, she decided I’m gonna play the race card, I guess.”

Christian Cooper wrote, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.” He said she then yelled at him, “don’t you touch my dog.” Christian Cooper said, “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…”

They read the underlined line as a threat. I read it as a response, a statement. They seem to hear him saying this with menace in his voice and with scream film music in the background. I hear him saying it calmly, in the same tone that he used a few seconds later in the video. He is trying to illustrate that she does not have control of her pet as she thinks she does. She says that the dog won't come, but he is planning to offer a dog treat. As he says, the way to stop the dog from taking the treat is to leash him. Then he won't get to the treat, but she is not willing to do that.

PP here. Thanks. So when she called the police, she already knew this supposed "threat" took the form of ... cue scary music... treats for her dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

They are getting this from misinterpreting what he posted on his Facebook page. Here is his accounting of what happened before the video (so it is only his perspective and she has not commented on it)

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

On Facebook, Christian Cooper wrote, “Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.” He described the conversation he says occurred before he began recording with his cell phone:

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…

Christian Cooper said he was planning to offer the dog treats. He told NBC New York, “If the habitat is destroyed we won’t be able to go there to see the birds, to enjoy the plantings. The only way they can keep the dog from eating the treat is to put it on a leash. At some point, she decided I’m gonna play the race card, I guess.”

Christian Cooper wrote, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.” He said she then yelled at him, “don’t you touch my dog.” Christian Cooper said, “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…”

They read the underlined line as a threat. I read it as a response, a statement. They seem to hear him saying this with menace in his voice and with scream film music in the background. I hear him saying it calmly, in the same tone that he used a few seconds later in the video. He is trying to illustrate that she does not have control of her pet as she thinks she does. She says that the dog won't come, but he is planning to offer a dog treat. As he says, the way to stop the dog from taking the treat is to leash him. Then he won't get to the treat, but she is not willing to do that.

It’s clearly and obviously intended as a threat. Doesn’t necessarily excuse her behavior but it’s a clear trigger.

It's a response. To her inexcusable behavior. First she doesn't leash the dog, then when asked politely, she is belligerent and refuses, so he pulls out treats.

Sorry you can't understand that responses to irresponsible people are not threats. Unleashed dogs are a threat to the environment, which is why the leash law exists. Irresponsible pet owners will continue to act irresponsibly and illegally because there is absolutely no deterrent for them. Calling the police is not a deterrent because it takes the police far too long to respond. Anyone walking their dog off leash will be home before the police respond to a call from the park.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

They are getting this from misinterpreting what he posted on his Facebook page. Here is his accounting of what happened before the video (so it is only his perspective and she has not commented on it)

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/amy-cooper-video-new-york/

On Facebook, Christian Cooper wrote, “Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.” He described the conversation he says occurred before he began recording with his cell phone:

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…

Christian Cooper said he was planning to offer the dog treats. He told NBC New York, “If the habitat is destroyed we won’t be able to go there to see the birds, to enjoy the plantings. The only way they can keep the dog from eating the treat is to put it on a leash. At some point, she decided I’m gonna play the race card, I guess.”

Christian Cooper wrote, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.” He said she then yelled at him, “don’t you touch my dog.” Christian Cooper said, “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…”

They read the underlined line as a threat. I read it as a response, a statement. They seem to hear him saying this with menace in his voice and with scream film music in the background. I hear him saying it calmly, in the same tone that he used a few seconds later in the video. He is trying to illustrate that she does not have control of her pet as she thinks she does. She says that the dog won't come, but he is planning to offer a dog treat. As he says, the way to stop the dog from taking the treat is to leash him. Then he won't get to the treat, but she is not willing to do that.

It’s clearly and obviously intended as a threat. Doesn’t necessarily excuse her behavior but it’s a clear trigger.

It's a response. To her inexcusable behavior. First she doesn't leash the dog, then when asked politely, she is belligerent and refuses, so he pulls out treats.

Sorry you can't understand that responses to irresponsible people are not threats. Unleashed dogs are a threat to the environment, which is why the leash law exists. Irresponsible pet owners will continue to act irresponsibly and illegally because there is absolutely no deterrent for them. Calling the police is not a deterrent because it takes the police far too long to respond. Anyone walking their dog off leash will be home before the police respond to a call from the park.

+1. Giving treats to her dog is not a threat. In what world would that ever be a threat?

It's a peaceable and ingenious way to manipulate her into doing the right thing--leashing her dog--which she should have been doing all along.

A threat would be grabbing her or her dog and marching them out of the leash zone. Or yelling. Or getting up in her face, like she did to him. Or threatening to call the police and lie about what she was up to, like she did with him. None of which he did.

[Anonymous]

I just got around to watching this video - what is racist about what she did? Honest question. She seems genuinely scared and uncertain of why someone is filming her. I guess I would be too, regardless of
Race.