they are using just this years data from IG. The previous five years I think colleges were on the equity and inclusion extreme push and the rich private school kids did worse. That has thankfully (for our family) gone to the side. |
where we sit at the gala doesn’t impact me day to day. I guess we don’t really meet a ton of new people because the people we kind of hang out with or are friends don’t care as much. If someone starts bragging about their 20mm summer house on the beach I will just exit the conversation. But rarely do I come across those type of people. |
In what grade does this occur? My high schooler knows who’s loaded and who is not. My middle schooler has no idea although all her friends are broadly my guess in the 5-50mm range |
1. Great Neck is actually now very Asian, less Jewish. I was just speaking to a Chinese-American colleague who ironically doesn't want to move there because it is too Asian... 2. I'm Jewish and I will be the first to admit that back in my day, Great Neck was the ultimate case study in tacky conspicuous consumption. That's not anti-Semitic. It is fact. Though I am generally not a big fan of most of Long Island in general. |
Do Jews even live in great neck anymore? |
I’m the PP table poster. Ivy+ = Ivies + Stanford, MIT, Caltech, UChicago, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, Vanderbilt WASP = Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona Ivy+WASP = union of those two buckets For Nightingale 2021-2025, total on their site: 286. Ivy+ detail: Ivies = 55 Stanford = 0 MIT = 1 Caltech = 1 UChicago = 2 Duke = 7 Johns Hopkins = 0 Northwestern = 7 Vanderbilt = 7 So Ivy+ = 80 / 286 = 28.0%. Nightingale WASP detail: Williams = 5 Amherst = 7 Swarthmore = 1 Pomona = 0 So WASP adds 13. Therefore Nightingale Ivy+WASP = 80 + 13 = 93 / 286 = 32.5%, rounded to 33%. HYPSM = Harvard 3 + Yale 9 + Princeton 5 + Stanford 0 + MIT 1 = 18 / 286 = 6.3%, rounded to 6%. So the Nightingale line is: Nightingale (57): 33%; 6%; 28% | 2021-2025 I think your 23.8% number might have dropped the “Plus”: Ivies + WASP only = 55 + 13 = 68 / 286 = 23.8%. It excludes MIT, Caltech, UChicago, Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, etc. For Horace Mann, current lower-bound line is: Horace Mann (180): 42%; 6%; 42% | 2023-2025 That is 227/539 Ivy+WASP, 33/539 HYPSM, 227/539 Ivy+. The missing sub-5 schools called out are Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams. If each had the max possible 4 students: Ivy+WASP adds 20 → 247/539 = 45.8%, rounded 46% HYPSM adds 8 from Stanford + MIT → 41/539 = 7.6%, rounded 8% Ivy+ adds 12 from Stanford + MIT + Caltech → 239/539 = 44.3%, rounded 44% So Horace Mann max under that assumption is: Horace Mann (180): 46%; 8%; 44% | 2023-2025 *** upper-bound if Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams each have 4 Does that address the rest of the “lots” that are off by a bit? |
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I see, so Ivy+wasp means Ivy plus + wasp.
Is Vandy one of the pluses now? |
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I was curious about what someone said about Regis so I looked up two of their school profiles 2024 (for 21-24) and 25 and noticed two things
One this: For REGIS 2021-2025 (used 21-24 and then 25), total on their site: Ivy+ detail: Ivies = 96 (6+8+11+26+5+14+9+5+9+3) Stanford = 1 MIT = 3 Caltech = 2 UChicago = 12 Duke = 8 Johns Hopkins = 4 Northwestern = 6 Vanderbilt =3 So Ivy+ = 135 / 650 = 21.0%. REGIS WASP detail: Williams = 14 Amherst = 0 Swarthmore = 1 Pomona = 0 So WASP adds 15. Two this: 27 to ND 50 to Georgetown 35 to BC Those are giant numbers. I suspect they have kids (and/or parents) preferring ND/GU/even BC to places like Cornell or JHU. Fit matters. |
100% agree. If you include the top catholic/jesuit schools, Regis, Sacred Heart, and Marymount will all look much better. Regis also has a mandate to serve families that could not otherwise afford this sort of education. They have kids are choosing full rides at Rutgers over the Ivy League. If you are aiming for a full pay spot at an Ivy, this works in your favor. Less competition for spots. Regis's average SAT score is higher than all NYC privates except Trinity and Brearley, perhaps Collegiate. These exmissions tallies are useful, but need to be taken with a grain of salt. They give a very incomplete picture. |
What is the reliable source for Regis's average SAT score? Or other private schools'? |
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Regis is a great school, don't need to look at SAT etc.
it's a great free education that is hard to top unless you have lots of money. |
It's been a while since I've done this, but the schools themselves publish "school profiles" to provide context to college admissions officers. If you spend the time, you can find all the most recent ones. A quick google search for me, though, turned up Trinity 2019, HM 2018, and Regis 2024. If/when you do the work, you're going to find that Regis is above Horace Mann and below Trinity. https://bbk12e1-cdn.myschoolcdn.com/ftpimages/390/misc/misc_168309.pdf https://www.horacemann.org/uploaded/HoraceMann/PDFs/College_Counseling/HM_School_Profile_2018-19.pdf https://www.regis.org/downloads/2024%20Regis%20School%20Final%20Profile-v1-1.pdf |
I expanded to US News Top 26 (25/26 are tied) National Universities, and top 10 Liberal Arts colleges. ND and Georgetown are included. BC isn’t. National Universities included: Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, UChicago, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, Penn, Caltech, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, UC Berkeley, Rice, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon, Michigan, Notre Dame, WashU, Emory, Georgetown, UNC Chapel Hill, UVA. Liberal Arts Colleges included: Williams, Amherst, U.S. Naval Academy, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, U.S. Air Force Academy, Claremont McKenna, Pomona, Wellesley, Carleton, Harvey Mudd, West Point. Historic official results: 70+% Brearley (61): 71% | 2021-2025 60-70% Spence (64): 67% | 2021-2025 Dalton (87): 66% | 2019-2024 Riverdale (116): 64% | 2020-2025 Chapin (60): 61% | 2021-2025 Collegiate (52): 60% | 2020-2024 50-60% Horace Mann (180): 53% | 2023-2025 *** lower bound; max 65% if all 16 uncounted target schools have 4 each Saint Ann’s (86): 53% | 2024-2025 40-50% Nightingale (57): 47% | 2021-2025 Fieldston (120): 43% | 2020-2025 Regis (130): 41% | 2022-2025 30-40% Friends Seminary (74): 39% | 2021-2025 Packer (96): 38% | 2021-2025 Browning (25): 35% | 2021-2025 Sacred Heart (56): 31% | 2021-2025 Avenues (91): 31% | 2023 20-30% Poly Prep (128): 27% | 2021-2025 Marymount (50): 27% | 2020-2024 Dwight-Englewood (124): 26% | 2023-2025 Tier moves vs Ivy+WASP: Up 2 tiers: Riverdale: 40-50% → 60-70% Chapin: 40-50% → 60-70% Fieldston: 20-30% → 40-50% Regis: 20-30% → 40-50% Packer: 10-20% → 30-40% Avenues: 10-20% → 30-40% Sacred Heart: 10-20% → 30-40% Up 1 tier: Brearley: 60-70% → 70+% Spence: 50-60% → 60-70% Dalton: 50-60% → 60-70% Collegiate: 50-60% → 60-70% Horace Mann: 40-50% → 50-60% Saint Ann’s: 40-50% → 50-60% Nightingale: 30-40% → 40-50% Friends Seminary: 20-30% → 30-40% Browning: 20-30% → 30-40% Marymount: 10-20% → 20-30% Poly Prep: 10-20% → 20-30% Dwight-Englewood: 10-20% → 20-30% Down tiers: none. Same tier: none. Regis and CSH moved up two buckets, Marymount moved up one. |
Avenues' numbers seem too high. Where did you get their 2023 matriculation? Their website lists 2023-2025 matriculation, but not 2023 matriculation. |
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Avenues does have better college matriculations than the old UB crowd would have predicted.
Those ND and GU numbers out of Regis are crazy. Is someone doing all this work by hand or is this AI? |