Do you like Taylor Swift?

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Anonymous wrote:So I started reading this thread for fun and it's quite literally insane. I'd like Taylor Swift well enough. I'm not a super fan but I do really admire her..

But it's absolutely insane to me the idea of calling a 35 year old woman washed up, has been, spent. It's so misogynist I just can't even wrap my head around it.

Is it possible to just dislike an artist without being so deeply offensive to women who have worked hard to make such a spectacular career?

It’s not misogyny. Male pop singers are generally washed up by their mid 30s too. Creative prime is teens thru late 20s. Everyone knows this. Why do you think singers lie about their ages? It’s a young man/woman’s industry. Also why Swift is orbiting much younger and organically more popular girls like Carpenter, Rodrigo, and Eilish.

If she did another year and a half of the eras tour it would surely sell out as her last one did. If that is washed up to you then I don’t know what you consider to be someone’s prime.

Swift's creative prime was probably... 2006 to 2015? Everything after is just tons of studio money buying the "it" hottest pop producers to manufacture faux hit songs they can astroturf to her brainwashed base.

midnights and ttpd were masterpieces. The new albulm looks like junk based on lyric leaks, but her artistic peak was just her last two albums.

I would include Folklore and Evermore as masterpieces as well. Really hoping the new album isn’t a letdown.

+1. TTPD, Folklore, Evermore and Midnights are her best albums, by far. I also like Lover (love Death By a Thousand Cuts!) and some songs on Reputation. What they all have in common is the same producer and collaborator, Jack Antonoff, and the same influence and muse, Matty Healy. Without them, I fear her new album will be just trite pop "bangers."
I am keeping an open mind though and hope she proves me wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:So I started reading this thread for fun and it's quite literally insane. I'd like Taylor Swift well enough. I'm not a super fan but I do really admire her..

But it's absolutely insane to me the idea of calling a 35 year old woman washed up, has been, spent. It's so misogynist I just can't even wrap my head around it.

Is it possible to just dislike an artist without being so deeply offensive to women who have worked hard to make such a spectacular career?

It’s not misogyny. Male pop singers are generally washed up by their mid 30s too. Creative prime is teens thru late 20s. Everyone knows this. Why do you think singers lie about their ages? It’s a young man/woman’s industry. Also why Swift is orbiting much younger and organically more popular girls like Carpenter, Rodrigo, and Eilish.

If she did another year and a half of the eras tour it would surely sell out as her last one did. If that is washed up to you then I don’t know what you consider to be someone’s prime.

Swift's creative prime was probably... 2006 to 2015? Everything after is just tons of studio money buying the "it" hottest pop producers to manufacture faux hit songs they can astroturf to her brainwashed base.

midnights and ttpd were masterpieces. The new albulm looks like junk based on lyric leaks, but her artistic peak was just her last two albums.

I would include Folklore and Evermore as masterpieces as well. Really hoping the new album isn’t a letdown.

+1. TTPD, Folklore, Evermore and Midnights are her best albums, by far. I also like Lover (love Death By a Thousand Cuts!) and some songs on Reputation. What they all have in common is the same producer and collaborator, Jack Antonoff, and the same influence and muse, Matty Healy. Without them, I fear her new album will be just trite pop "bangers."
I am keeping an open mind though and hope she proves me wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:So I started reading this thread for fun and it's quite literally insane. I'd like Taylor Swift well enough. I'm not a super fan but I do really admire her..

But it's absolutely insane to me the idea of calling a 35 year old woman washed up, has been, spent. It's so misogynist I just can't even wrap my head around it.

Is it possible to just dislike an artist without being so deeply offensive to women who have worked hard to make such a spectacular career?

It’s not misogyny. Male pop singers are generally washed up by their mid 30s too. Creative prime is teens thru late 20s. Everyone knows this. Why do you think singers lie about their ages? It’s a young man/woman’s industry. Also why Swift is orbiting much younger and organically more popular girls like Carpenter, Rodrigo, and Eilish.

If she did another year and a half of the eras tour it would surely sell out as her last one did. If that is washed up to you then I don’t know what you consider to be someone’s prime.

Swift's creative prime was probably... 2006 to 2015? Everything after is just tons of studio money buying the "it" hottest pop producers to manufacture faux hit songs they can astroturf to her brainwashed base.

midnights and ttpd were masterpieces. The new albulm looks like junk based on lyric leaks, but her artistic peak was just her last two albums.

I would include Folklore and Evermore as masterpieces as well. Really hoping the new album isn’t a letdown.

+1. TTPD, Folklore, Evermore and Midnights are her best albums, by far. I also like Lover (love Death By a Thousand Cuts!) and some songs on Reputation. What they all have in common is the same producer and collaborator, Jack Antonoff, and the same influence and muse, Matty Healy. Without them, I fear her new album will be just trite pop "bangers."
I am keeping an open mind though and hope she proves me wrong.

Not just Jack Antonoff, but also Aaron Dessner. Both of those guys have produced/ collaborated on her most outstanding work. I’ll miss their chemistry, but hopefully it’s not the last time they’ll collaborate.

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Anonymous wrote:So I started reading this thread for fun and it's quite literally insane. I'd like Taylor Swift well enough. I'm not a super fan but I do really admire her..

But it's absolutely insane to me the idea of calling a 35 year old woman washed up, has been, spent. It's so misogynist I just can't even wrap my head around it.

Is it possible to just dislike an artist without being so deeply offensive to women who have worked hard to make such a spectacular career?

It’s not misogyny. Male pop singers are generally washed up by their mid 30s too. Creative prime is teens thru late 20s. Everyone knows this. Why do you think singers lie about their ages? It’s a young man/woman’s industry. Also why Swift is orbiting much younger and organically more popular girls like Carpenter, Rodrigo, and Eilish.

If she did another year and a half of the eras tour it would surely sell out as her last one did. If that is washed up to you then I don’t know what you consider to be someone’s prime.

Swift's creative prime was probably... 2006 to 2015? Everything after is just tons of studio money buying the "it" hottest pop producers to manufacture faux hit songs they can astroturf to her brainwashed base.

midnights and ttpd were masterpieces. The new albulm looks like junk based on lyric leaks, but her artistic peak was just her last two albums.

I would include Folklore and Evermore as masterpieces as well. Really hoping the new album isn’t a letdown.

+1. TTPD, Folklore, Evermore and Midnights are her best albums, by far. I also like Lover (love Death By a Thousand Cuts!) and some songs on Reputation. What they all have in common is the same producer and collaborator, Jack Antonoff, and the same influence and muse, Matty Healy. Without them, I fear her new album will be just trite pop "bangers."
I am keeping an open mind though and hope she proves me wrong.

Not just Jack Antonoff, but also Aaron Dessner. Both of those guys have produced/ collaborated on her most outstanding work. I’ll miss their chemistry, but hopefully it’s not the last time they’ll collaborate.

Jack did very little on reputation. Max Martin and shellback are who she worked with, and for this next album she’s going back to them. They’re also total legends and it’s impossible for me to believe that these three creative geniuses are going to put out crap. The album is going to be good. It may not be everyone’s taste, but it is objectively going to have some good songs and o don’t see how these three are not going to be successful.

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Anonymous wrote:So I started reading this thread for fun and it's quite literally insane. I'd like Taylor Swift well enough. I'm not a super fan but I do really admire her..

But it's absolutely insane to me the idea of calling a 35 year old woman washed up, has been, spent. It's so misogynist I just can't even wrap my head around it.

Is it possible to just dislike an artist without being so deeply offensive to women who have worked hard to make such a spectacular career?

It’s not misogyny. Male pop singers are generally washed up by their mid 30s too. Creative prime is teens thru late 20s. Everyone knows this. Why do you think singers lie about their ages? It’s a young man/woman’s industry. Also why Swift is orbiting much younger and organically more popular girls like Carpenter, Rodrigo, and Eilish.

If she did another year and a half of the eras tour it would surely sell out as her last one did. If that is washed up to you then I don’t know what you consider to be someone’s prime.

Swift's creative prime was probably... 2006 to 2015? Everything after is just tons of studio money buying the "it" hottest pop producers to manufacture faux hit songs they can astroturf to her brainwashed base.

midnights and ttpd were masterpieces. The new albulm looks like junk based on lyric leaks, but her artistic peak was just her last two albums.

I would include Folklore and Evermore as masterpieces as well. Really hoping the new album isn’t a letdown.

+1. TTPD, Folklore, Evermore and Midnights are her best albums, by far. I also like Lover (love Death By a Thousand Cuts!) and some songs on Reputation. What they all have in common is the same producer and collaborator, Jack Antonoff, and the same influence and muse, Matty Healy. Without them, I fear her new album will be just trite pop "bangers."
I am keeping an open mind though and hope she proves me wrong.

Not just Jack Antonoff, but also Aaron Dessner. Both of those guys have produced/ collaborated on her most outstanding work. I’ll miss their chemistry, but hopefully it’s not the last time they’ll collaborate.

Jack did very little on reputation. Max Martin and shellback are who she worked with, and for this next album she’s going back to them. They’re also total legends and it’s impossible for me to believe that these three creative geniuses are going to put out crap. The album is going to be good. It may not be everyone’s taste, but it is objectively going to have some good songs and o don’t see how these three are not going to be successful.

I agree. I think it will be much more typical of her upbeat pop songs. I also think she likes to rotate between styles and moods and could see her working with Jack on her next one.

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I am here for the upbeat pop bangers. Enough with the Matty Healy bunny boiler stuff. It wouldn’t be a good look at this stage.

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I kinda like her music. She is a talented artist. She us generous with her crew and staff and has never been arrested.

I love her.

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I just want to acknowledge when people talk about Taylor’s collaborators, she should also be given credit for choosing them. A lot of of her things with Jack Antonoff have been incredibly successful, and you have to give her credit for picking him. He has said in interviews, no one was really letting him be a producer until Taylor reached out for them to work on 1989.

She had done four very successful albums by then and wanted to go in a different direction. It is kind of astounding that she knew to pick him, he was not a well-known producer at all. Her instinct is pretty impressive whether you like what they worked on together or not.

Same with Aaron Dessner. I don’t think it was on anyone’s bingo card that these two would work together so extensively. He says that during the Covid lockdown, even though they had only met once, she got his number and had the idea to collaborate and texted him.

For me, it’s not just that she is a great songwriter, she also has great instincts for who to work with. I’m excited for this album because she must have had some sort of inkling of what she wanted to do with Max and shellback. And it took some effort, since it sounds like they worked together in their home country of Sweden. So she must’ve been highly motivated. I just can’t see this not being a good album. It’s been a long slog of a year with Trump back in office and I’m just looking forward to this. I hope it doesn’t disappoint.

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Her website has a new countdown so another announcement this afternoon.

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Anonymous wrote:So I started reading this thread for fun and it's quite literally insane. I'd like Taylor Swift well enough. I'm not a super fan but I do really admire her..

But it's absolutely insane to me the idea of calling a 35 year old woman washed up, has been, spent. It's so misogynist I just can't even wrap my head around it.

Is it possible to just dislike an artist without being so deeply offensive to women who have worked hard to make such a spectacular career?

It’s not misogyny. Male pop singers are generally washed up by their mid 30s too. Creative prime is teens thru late 20s. Everyone knows this. Why do you think singers lie about their ages? It’s a young man/woman’s industry. Also why Swift is orbiting much younger and organically more popular girls like Carpenter, Rodrigo, and Eilish.

If she did another year and a half of the eras tour it would surely sell out as her last one did. If that is washed up to you then I don’t know what you consider to be someone’s prime.

Swift's creative prime was probably... 2006 to 2015? Everything after is just tons of studio money buying the "it" hottest pop producers to manufacture faux hit songs they can astroturf to her brainwashed base.

midnights and ttpd were masterpieces. The new albulm looks like junk based on lyric leaks, but her artistic peak was just her last two albums.

I would include Folklore and Evermore as masterpieces as well. Really hoping the new album isn’t a letdown.

+1. TTPD, Folklore, Evermore and Midnights are her best albums, by far. I also like Lover (love Death By a Thousand Cuts!) and some songs on Reputation. What they all have in common is the same producer and collaborator, Jack Antonoff, and the same influence and muse, Matty Healy. Without them, I fear her new album will be just trite pop "bangers."
I am keeping an open mind though and hope she proves me wrong.

Not just Jack Antonoff, but also Aaron Dessner. Both of those guys have produced/ collaborated on her most outstanding work. I’ll miss their chemistry, but hopefully it’s not the last time they’ll collaborate.

Jack did very little on reputation. Max Martin and shellback are who she worked with, and for this next album she’s going back to them. They’re also total legends and it’s impossible for me to believe that these three creative geniuses are going to put out crap. The album is going to be good. It may not be everyone’s taste, but it is objectively going to have some good songs and o don’t see how these three are not going to be successful.

Sure, but Jack and Aaron were her main collaborators on her last four albums, which were all fantastic. Max Martin and Shellback are great too, but they don’t have the depth that the other two do. At any rate, hoping for the best.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to acknowledge when people talk about Taylor’s collaborators, she should also be given credit for choosing them. A lot of of her things with Jack Antonoff have been incredibly successful, and you have to give her credit for picking him. He has said in interviews, no one was really letting him be a producer until Taylor reached out for them to work on 1989.

She had done four very successful albums by then and wanted to go in a different direction. It is kind of astounding that she knew to pick him, he was not a well-known producer at all. Her instinct is pretty impressive whether you like what they worked on together or not.

Same with Aaron Dessner. I don’t think it was on anyone’s bingo card that these two would work together so extensively. He says that during the Covid lockdown, even though they had only met once, she got his number and had the idea to collaborate and texted him.

For me, it’s not just that she is a great songwriter, she also has great instincts for who to work with. I’m excited for this album because she must have had some sort of inkling of what she wanted to do with Max and shellback. And it took some effort, since it sounds like they worked together in their home country of Sweden. So she must’ve been highly motivated. I just can’t see this not being a good album. It’s been a long slog of a year with Trump back in office and I’m just looking forward to this. I hope it doesn’t disappoint.

Totally agree with you about her judgment and instincts. But let’s leave the politics out of this, mmkay?

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The Podcast thread was locked, so ill just post this here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w6aJA_D2VO0&pp=0gcJCf8Ao7VqN5tD

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Anonymous wrote:So I started reading this thread for fun and it's quite literally insane. I'd like Taylor Swift well enough. I'm not a super fan but I do really admire her..

But it's absolutely insane to me the idea of calling a 35 year old woman washed up, has been, spent. It's so misogynist I just can't even wrap my head around it.

Is it possible to just dislike an artist without being so deeply offensive to women who have worked hard to make such a spectacular career?

It’s not misogyny. Male pop singers are generally washed up by their mid 30s too. Creative prime is teens thru late 20s. Everyone knows this. Why do you think singers lie about their ages? It’s a young man/woman’s industry. Also why Swift is orbiting much younger and organically more popular girls like Carpenter, Rodrigo, and Eilish.

If she did another year and a half of the eras tour it would surely sell out as her last one did. If that is washed up to you then I don’t know what you consider to be someone’s prime.

Swift's creative prime was probably... 2006 to 2015? Everything after is just tons of studio money buying the "it" hottest pop producers to manufacture faux hit songs they can astroturf to her brainwashed base.

midnights and ttpd were masterpieces. The new albulm looks like junk based on lyric leaks, but her artistic peak was just her last two albums.

I would include Folklore and Evermore as masterpieces as well. Really hoping the new album isn’t a letdown.

+1. TTPD, Folklore, Evermore and Midnights are her best albums, by far. I also like Lover (love Death By a Thousand Cuts!) and some songs on Reputation. What they all have in common is the same producer and collaborator, Jack Antonoff, and the same influence and muse, Matty Healy. Without them, I fear her new album will be just trite pop "bangers."
I am keeping an open mind though and hope she proves me wrong.

Not just Jack Antonoff, but also Aaron Dessner. Both of those guys have produced/ collaborated on her most outstanding work. I’ll miss their chemistry, but hopefully it’s not the last time they’ll collaborate.

Jack did very little on reputation. Max Martin and shellback are who she worked with, and for this next album she’s going back to them. They’re also total legends and it’s impossible for me to believe that these three creative geniuses are going to put out crap. The album is going to be good. It may not be everyone’s taste, but it is objectively going to have some good songs and o don’t see how these three are not going to be successful.

Sure, but Jack and Aaron were her main collaborators on her last four albums, which were all fantastic. Max Martin and Shellback are great too, but they don’t have the depth that the other two do. At any rate, hoping for the best.

1989 and reputation are absolutely legendary Taylor Swift albums that people go apeshit for. Max and Shellback both worked on both of those. Not to mention 100 other top artist that have iconic songs because of them.

I like Jack and Aaron, but I’m really looking forward to this. I definitely think she needs a break from Jack and I liked what Aaron did on the the last few albums, but I really want some pop bangers. I’m so ready for this.

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Why does a showgirl have to be barely dressed

I always appreciated that she wasn’t “sexy”. Obv she can do what she wants but going doggy style in the album cover