US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Right. But those who cannot even crack a watered-down SAT would certainly NOT become a competent surgeon or engineer.

If the SAT is so watered down, why all the tutoring/prepping? If it’s so easy for you?

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Right. But those who cannot even crack a watered-down SAT would certainly NOT become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Your perspective on what the SAT measures and predicts is very distorted.

It is quite limited. What makes a good doctor is much more multidimensional

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I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

We'll how things evolve.
What we need to achieve is more clear rules, fairness, nd transparency, and no racial discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously why is everyone making this about asian kids? WTF?

Some Asian American parents foolishly believed that eliminating AA will help their kids with college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

This case was never about Asian Americans. It was always about the equal protection clause that's in the constitution.

By PPs logic, whites and blacks with "perfect" stats go to the back of the line in favor of SE Asians whose parents arrived here in refugee boats. And those asians with "perfect" scores who are denied spots at top schools? They will have plenty of other options. They will be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously why is everyone making this about asian kids? WTF?

The court case was brought by a racist organization but the person they used in The middle of the case was an Asian person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Right. But those who cannot even crack a watered-down SAT would certainly NOT become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Not true

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

We'll how things evolve.
What we need to achieve is more clear rules, fairness, nd transparency, and no racial discrimination.

Private universities don’t have to share their secret sauce with the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

This case was never about Asian Americans. It was always about the equal protection clause that's in the constitution.

By PPs logic, whites and blacks with "perfect" stats go to the back of the line in favor of SE Asians whose parents arrived here in refugee boats. And those asians with "perfect" scores who are denied spots at top schools? They will have plenty of other options. They will be fine.

The case was never about equal protection.

If it were they would have gotten rid of legacy admits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

This case was never about Asian Americans. It was always about the equal protection clause that's in the constitution.

By PPs logic, whites and blacks with "perfect" stats go to the back of the line in favor of SE Asians whose parents arrived here in refugee boats. And those asians with "perfect" scores who are denied spots at top schools? They will have plenty of other options. They will be fine.

The case was never about equal protection.

If it were they would have gotten rid of legacy admits.

I certainly hope they tackle that next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

This case was never about Asian Americans. It was always about the equal protection clause that's in the constitution.

By PPs logic, whites and blacks with "perfect" stats go to the back of the line in favor of SE Asians whose parents arrived here in refugee boats. And those asians with "perfect" scores who are denied spots at top schools? They will have plenty of other options. They will be fine.

The biggest losers would be middle to upper class Blacks. They have been the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

This case was never about Asian Americans. It was always about the equal protection clause that's in the constitution.

By PPs logic, whites and blacks with "perfect" stats go to the back of the line in favor of SE Asians whose parents arrived here in refugee boats. And those asians with "perfect" scores who are denied spots at top schools? They will have plenty of other options. They will be fine.

The case was never about equal protection.

If it were they would have gotten rid of legacy admits.

I certainly hope they tackle that next.

Who exactly is "they?"

It takes money and decades to make that happen. Are you taking up a collection?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Right. But those who cannot even crack a watered-down SAT would certainly NOT become a competent surgeon or engineer.

If the SAT is so watered down, why all the tutoring/prepping? If it’s so easy for you?

And the SAT is not even required for admission.