US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:As the white parent of half Asian kids I can’t help but be relieved. The penalty against Asian kids as it currently stands is sickening. This gives me hope my kids at least won’t have a less fair admissions cycle than I did as a white kid.

Why exactly was there a penalty against Asian kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard systematically gave Asian students lower personal ratings scores in their admissions dockets. It is disgusting that Harvard therefore thinks all Asians have lower levels of character, integrity, personality, leadership than other races. Or another equally disgusting interpretation is that Harvard puts its thumb on the scale to admit fewer Asians.
This is why I can’t force myself to give another dollar to Harvard as an alum.
I hope we get to a content of character view of people going forward now, not just a race box.

Well, if Asians continue to be given lower personal rating scores it will be impossible to track. No more race or ethnicity identifiers!

Blum played you.

That’s not how “impossible to track” works.

-lawyer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As the white parent of half Asian kids I can’t help but be relieved. The penalty against Asian kids as it currently stands is sickening. This gives me hope my kids at least won’t have a less fair admissions cycle than I did as a white kid.

Why exactly was there a penalty against Asian kids?

Because they were more successful than white kids and white parents didn’t want to do what it takes to do better than them.

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

HYPSM are all on even level, none is better than the other.

HYSP are not really TO for the unhooked applicants. To be taken seriously you’ll need to submit scores and do well in them.

MIT just made it clear to everyone.

We're in a test optional admissions landscape. Today's ruling will make it more entrenched. Deal with it.

They're just making it a test optional for a certain group of people (you know who), especially for top schools. If you're not one of them, you're welcome to apply without a test score and see what happens.

You're definitely not an admissions expert.

#clueless

Okay. Then go ahead and ask your kid to do TO and watch her squeal like a pig after the application season.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As the white parent of half Asian kids I can’t help but be relieved. The penalty against Asian kids as it currently stands is sickening. This gives me hope my kids at least won’t have a less fair admissions cycle than I did as a white kid.

Good luck with that—lol!

Since you’ve given no reason for your comment I’m forced to think it’s your wishful thinking and hope that Asian kids will continue to be unfairly penalized.

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

HYPSM are all on even level, none is better than the other.

HYSP are not really TO for the unhooked applicants. To be taken seriously you’ll need to submit scores and do well in them.

MIT just made it clear to everyone.

We're in a test optional admissions landscape. Today's ruling will make it more entrenched. Deal with it.

They're just making it a test optional for a certain group of people (you know who), especially for top schools. If you're not one of them, you're welcome to apply without a test score and see what happens.

You're definitely not an admissions expert.

#clueless

Okay. Then go ahead and ask your kid to do TO and watch her squeal like a pig after the application season.

PP is right that kids from all kinds of backgrounds are getting in TO right now. But you’re probably right that over time it will only be for the good sob stories/diversity stories.

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Anonymous wrote:As the white parent of half Asian kids I can’t help but be relieved. The penalty against Asian kids as it currently stands is sickening. This gives me hope my kids at least won’t have a less fair admissions cycle than I did as a white kid.

Why exactly was there a penalty against Asian kids?

Because they were more successful than white kids and white parents didn’t want to do what it takes to do better than them.

This is nonsensical. How were Asian kids in particular harmed by AA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As the white parent of half Asian kids I can’t help but be relieved. The penalty against Asian kids as it currently stands is sickening. This gives me hope my kids at least won’t have a less fair admissions cycle than I did as a white kid.

Your kids stand zero chance of making it . Only difference this time is, we hope you shut up for good since the boogeyman that right wing white men and their indisputably racist agenda made you believe was responsible for your kid not getting in can't be used anymore. The more I think about it , the more I think you well-meaning racists and your anti-affirmative action fixation might've played yourselves. I wish i had 'good news' for you but your kids will end up where kids who come from public schools end up.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

This is 21st century. We live in the age of AI and Quantum Computing.
Nobody owe anyone anything in this country, espcially Asians.
The kind of vitim mentality and 'somebody owe me something' mentality is not good for anything.

Well that’s an interesting way of admitting that you were completely wrong about what African American civil rights leaders did for immigrants from Asia

I'm DP.
Even most homogeous closed countries like Korea now accepting immigrants.
Big deal.

Now versus 1965 is a big damn deal to the immigrants it helped. The virtuous thing in this situation would be to graciously admit you were wrong. And maybe apologize for the rude jab at blacks being bad at math, science, and history. Maybe your crappy reaction here is evidence of why your own personality scores were so low.

I said I'm DP.

My Asian kids were born in the 21st cetruy in the US.
They don't owe you or anyone anything, and have the right not to be discriminated.

NP. Isn't that interesting? You're adamant that your kids are being discriminated against but completely dismissive that colleges owe your kids and their so called high SAT scores nothing either. Isn't that lovely ?
By the way , do you even have ant inkling as to why Asians like you are able to be in this country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a great day for my Asian American sons.

Just go easy on the anti depressants when the inevitable rejection letters show up.

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Seriously why is everyone making this about asian kids? WTF?

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

NP Before the civil rights movement and subsequent act , they were immigration quotas in place that explicitly prioritize immigration from European countries . These quotas were done away with it as a result of the Civil Rights movement. Therefore, it is true that that the civil rights movement is the thing you owe your presence in this country to. Cramming books to ace a test isn't all there is in life. Basic intelligence requires that you have an acceptable knowledge of the history of the society in which you live. Maybe the self-satisfied ignorance of American history that your ilk display is one of the reason(s) why the name brand schools you're so obsessed with want nothing to do with you.

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Right. But those who cannot even crack a watered-down SAT would certainly NOT become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Who told they want to be engineers and surgeons? Also,who told you one becomes a surgeon because they feel like it ? Conspiracy loser much ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Right. But those who cannot even crack a watered-down SAT would certainly NOT become a competent surgeon or engineer.

You don’t know that. If you need to be coached/tutored to receive a high SAT score, are you really that bright? Maybe. Even if you ace the SAT without tutoring, are you dexterous and coordinated and have enough grit to become a surgeon? In addition, many kids, esp some boys, are very immature in HS, it takes years for them to mature. Just because they may have received sub par SAT scores in HS means nada, they could be completely different people by the time they turn 21.