US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

We don't live in a communist country.
Every individual should be looked as an individual independent person, not as a part of a group.
When individuals are discriminated, there is discrimination.

No individual is entitled to admissions anywhere. No discrimination.

Sorry SCOTUS made decision against your opinion.

The invalid, extremist SCOTUS? As if their decisions will stand.

Says another Jan. 6 insurrectionist...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

You are very confused. Asian Americans are not over represented based on the number of applicants. It doesn't matter how many Asian Americans there are in the general population since the general population isn't applying to Harvard.

The Harvard case showed that Asian American applicants scored high in every measurable metric, except the "likeability" metric, which is highly subjective, and not only that, the AOs never even met the applicant, but scored them low. Whereas, the interviewer who did meet the applicant, scored them as likeable. IMO, that was the gotcha in the case.

Data analysis is very important, but clearly, many progressives have issues with it.

So now people have to be grouped by race and admitted in proportion to the number of applications submitted by members of their racial group? That seems inconsistent with the rule that they have to be considered as individuals.

According to the ^^PP Asian Americans are over-represented so there's no discrimination happening. This is the line pro aa people keep pushing. I think they forget that back in the early 1900s Harvard said the same about Jews - they are over represented, so they needed to find ways to artificially keep the numbers down.

But, if we are going to talk about "representation" , then it should be representation of the applicant pool, not the general public.

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Asian Americans are discriminated against in the college admissions process.

That simply fact is being gaslighted under the pretense of diversity. You can argue all you want for affirmative action and its benefits, but at least admit that its come at the expense of Asian American students.

Empirical and modeled data support the fact that without race as a factor that Asian American students would make up higher percentages of colleges.

Affirmative action before being struck down was smoke and mirrors. Seventy-one percent of Black, Latino, and Native American students at Harvard come from college-educated homes with incomes above the national median. These kids live vastly different lives than the immigrant kids from SE Asia, who are unfairly being discriminated against because they have to check the Asian box.

Eliminate legacy, athletes and faculty preferences and base recruitment on socioeconomic diversity and then we can see what kind of class we have.

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Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

We don't live in a communist country.
Every individual should be looked as an individual independent person, not as a part of a group.
When individuals are discriminated, there is discrimination.

No individual is entitled to admissions anywhere. No discrimination.

Sorry SCOTUS made decision against your opinion.

Do you believe the Supreme Court said that every student must be admitted to every college? Because that’s what you just said.

No, the Supreme Court said there was discrimination.

They also said that women don't have bodily autonomy. They are full of shit.

They didn't say that. Why are you lying?
They said it's up to each State.
You vote for law makers in your state.

It’s up to each state to determine in women have bodily autonomy?

That’s the same as saying they don’t definitely have bodily autonomy.

No you idiot. blah blah ba blah blah, ba ba blah blah blah blah.... etc

You lost everyone and your argument at "idiot".

Only the pompous self righteous idiots. You're welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

We don't live in a communist country.
Every individual should be looked as an individual independent person, not as a part of a group.
When individuals are discriminated, there is discrimination.

No individual is entitled to admissions anywhere. No discrimination.

Sorry SCOTUS made decision against your opinion.

Do you believe the Supreme Court said that every student must be admitted to every college? Because that’s what you just said.

No, the Supreme Court said there was discrimination.

They also said that women don't have bodily autonomy. They are full of shit.

They didn't say that. Why are you lying?
They said it's up to each State.
You vote for law makers in your state.

It’s up to each state to determine in women have bodily autonomy?

That’s the same as saying they don’t definitely have bodily autonomy.

It's up to each state to have related laws.
If your state says abortion is ok into 5th moths of pregnancy, the Fed can't say anything.
If the people of your State want that, they can have it. Vote for it.

The case was not about "bodily autonomy". It's about federalism and the proper role of the feds vs. the states. Conservatives believe that the feds should not be running everything - many issues should be handled by the states. That's also what the founding fathers wanted: a small federal government to handle only those issues that the states cannot, as in taxation, stamping, and the military. They are also against an imperial presidency. Abortion was never a federal issue. Now it's being properly handled back to the states, which are closer to the people and better situated to address such issues And if you don't like the state's decision, you vote the lawmakers out. That is all.

Just like they should have left slavery up to the states?

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Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

You are very confused. Asian Americans are not over represented based on the number of applicants. It doesn't matter how many Asian Americans there are in the general population since the general population isn't applying to Harvard.

The Harvard case showed that Asian American applicants scored high in every measurable metric, except the "likeability" metric, which is highly subjective, and not only that, the AOs never even met the applicant, but scored them low. Whereas, the interviewer who did meet the applicant, scored them as likeable. IMO, that was the gotcha in the case.

Data analysis is very important, but clearly, many progressives have issues with it.

So now people have to be grouped by race and admitted in proportion to the number of applications submitted by members of their racial group? That seems inconsistent with the rule that they have to be considered as individuals.

According to the ^^PP Asian Americans are over-represented so there's no discrimination happening. This is the line pro aa people keep pushing. I think they forget that back in the early 1900s Harvard said the same about Jews - they are over represented, so they needed to find ways to artificially keep the numbers down.

But, if we are going to talk about "representation" , then it should be representation of the applicant pool, not the general public.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

We don't live in a communist country.
Every individual should be looked as an individual independent person, not as a part of a group.
When individuals are discriminated, there is discrimination.

No individual is entitled to admissions anywhere. No discrimination.

Sorry SCOTUS made decision against your opinion.

The invalid, extremist SCOTUS? As if their decisions will stand.

Says another Jan. 6 insurrectionist...

I’m not trying to overthrow the government. I’ll wait for justice to prevail.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

We don't live in a communist country.
Every individual should be looked as an individual independent person, not as a part of a group.
When individuals are discriminated, there is discrimination.

No individual is entitled to admissions anywhere. No discrimination.

Sorry SCOTUS made decision against your opinion.

Do you believe the Supreme Court said that every student must be admitted to every college? Because that’s what you just said.

No, the Supreme Court said there was discrimination.

They also said that women don't have bodily autonomy. They are full of shit.

They didn't say that. Why are you lying?
They said it's up to each State.
You vote for law makers in your state.

It’s up to each state to determine in women have bodily autonomy?

That’s the same as saying they don’t definitely have bodily autonomy.

It's up to each state to have related laws.
If your state says abortion is ok into 5th moths of pregnancy, the Fed can't say anything.
If the people of your State want that, they can have it. Vote for it.

The case was not about "bodily autonomy". It's about federalism and the proper role of the feds vs. the states. Conservatives believe that the feds should not be running everything - many issues should be handled by the states. That's also what the founding fathers wanted: a small federal government to handle only those issues that the states cannot, as in taxation, stamping, and the military. They are also against an imperial presidency. Abortion was never a federal issue. Now it's being properly handled back to the states, which are closer to the people and better situated to address such issues And if you don't like the state's decision, you vote the lawmakers out. That is all.

Then explain the pledges for national abortion bans that republican presidential candidates are making

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

You are very confused. Asian Americans are not over represented based on the number of applicants. It doesn't matter how many Asian Americans there are in the general population since the general population isn't applying to Harvard.

The Harvard case showed that Asian American applicants scored high in every measurable metric, except the "likeability" metric, which is highly subjective, and not only that, the AOs never even met the applicant, but scored them low. Whereas, the interviewer who did meet the applicant, scored them as likeable. IMO, that was the gotcha in the case.

Data analysis is very important, but clearly, many progressives have issues with it.

The number of applicants is irrelevant.

I’m better at data analysis than most of the racist conservatives here. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian Americans are discriminated against in the college admissions process.

That simply fact is being gaslighted under the pretense of diversity. You can argue all you want for affirmative action and its benefits, but at least admit that its come at the expense of Asian American students.

Empirical and modeled data support the fact that without race as a factor that Asian American students would make up higher percentages of colleges.

Affirmative action before being struck down was smoke and mirrors. Seventy-one percent of Black, Latino, and Native American students at Harvard come from college-educated homes with incomes above the national median. These kids live vastly different lives than the immigrant kids from SE Asia, who are unfairly being discriminated against because they have to check the Asian box.

Eliminate legacy, athletes and faculty preferences and base recruitment on socioeconomic diversity and then we can see what kind of class we have.

Lol. No silly! Then their kids would have to go to school with the poors and the huddled masses that they spent all that K-12 private school money avoiding!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notice the lack of response to the request for what Dem politicians & educators are actually doing to ensure kids prosper despite all this systemic racism from Republicans they never get within 5 miles of.

The whole education pipeline for these kids (kindergarten through grad school) is Democrat-controlled. If educators/politicians fix anything they won’t be able to brow-beat public & private sector leaders into giving them more money (which never seems to improve anything) or promise to fix the problem every 4 years (which they never do).

Thousands of woke Education professors publish thousands of journal articles on how to fix things, but nothing gets improved. Nope, the school administrators’ & unions’ jobs are done once they blame the problem on racist Republicans & racist math.

So is “CRT” not a thing you’re pushing anymore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asian Americans are discriminated against in the college admissions process.

That simply fact is being gaslighted under the pretense of diversity. You can argue all you want for affirmative action and its benefits, but at least admit that its come at the expense of Asian American students.

Empirical and modeled data support the fact that without race as a factor that Asian American students would make up higher percentages of colleges.

Affirmative action before being struck down was smoke and mirrors. Seventy-one percent of Black, Latino, and Native American students at Harvard come from college-educated homes with incomes above the national median. These kids live vastly different lives than the immigrant kids from SE Asia, who are unfairly being discriminated against because they have to check the Asian box.

Eliminate legacy, athletes and faculty preferences and base recruitment on socioeconomic diversity and then we can see what kind of class we have.

Lol. No silly! Then their kids would have to go to school with the poors and the huddled masses that they spent all that K-12 private school money avoiding!

+1

It was never about fairness to the people with the power.

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Anonymous wrote:The promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized so many Asian Americans.

The myth they are buying into posits that Asian Americans are a ‘good’ minority group — assimilating into the racist concept of America as a ‘melting pot’ (which is so offensive and bigoted! There is no melting pot because of white supremacy/MAGA.).

These misguided Asian Americans are led to believe they can succeed by bootstrapping themselves into the so-called “American dream.”

In reality, they will always be oppressed by pervasive white supremacy and systemic racism. So they really need to come back to the Democratic Party asap.

Dems supporting racist policies aren't endearing themselves to Asian Americans.

-signed an Asian American

It was LBJ (Democrat) who signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law. 1965 to undue nearly a hundred years off explicitly anti Asian lawmaking.

sure, and it's Dems who keep supporting racist policies.

when a policy discriminate against a particular race, it's a racist policy. Just because the discriminated race is not black doesn't mean it's not racist.

When any particular race is OVERrepresented then they are treated favorably.

We don't live in a communist country.
Every individual should be looked as an individual independent person, not as a part of a group.
When individuals are discriminated, there is discrimination.

No individual is entitled to admissions anywhere. No discrimination.

Sorry SCOTUS made decision against your opinion.

The invalid, extremist SCOTUS? As if their decisions will stand.

Says another Jan. 6 insurrectionist...

I’m not trying to overthrow the government. I’ll wait for justice to prevail.

You need to follow the law of the land of you live here.
If you are a foreigner in another country not paying taxes in the USA, go mind your own business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asian-American students in our community have gained admission to elite schools over the years by presenting extracurriculars tied to their Saturday Schools as markers of "cultural authenticity" or ethnic "color." Being bilingual and functioning as leaders in their Chinese-American neighborhood = URM hook status. I kind of wonder if that will be a good strategy now. Maybe the implications of these lawsuits were not fully considered. Possibly this has all backfired.

I dont get what you're saying as it's been harder to be admitted to the elite schools as Asian American. I know kids who purposefully left clubs off their application.

So they had to go to Swarthmore rather than Harvard?

Your point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asian-American students in our community have gained admission to elite schools over the years by presenting extracurriculars tied to their Saturday Schools as markers of "cultural authenticity" or ethnic "color." Being bilingual and functioning as leaders in their Chinese-American neighborhood = URM hook status. I kind of wonder if that will be a good strategy now. Maybe the implications of these lawsuits were not fully considered. Possibly this has all backfired.

I dont get what you're saying as it's been harder to be admitted to the elite schools as Asian American. I know kids who purposefully left clubs off their application.

So they had to go to Swarthmore rather than Harvard?

Your point?

DP

I think that the point is that Asian students with outstanding numbers get into super elite schools even though denied by Harvard.