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Anonymous
You mean…what if a democratically elected government passed laws to right historic wrongs? The U.S. has done it on a number of occasions without destroying our democracy. The Civil Rights Act, reparations for Japanese-Americans…I don’t think it’s a ridiculous idea for Israel, already a pluralistic democracy, to be…a pluralistic democracy. |
Anonymous
What a tragic saga. People are blinded by religious ideology and do not see what a terrible legacy they are leaving their children. I wonder if the Israelis feel anything towards the suffering of the Gazans. Is this really necessary |
Anonymous
Release the hostages then. |
Anonymous
C’mon. I strongly favor a 2-state solution, but there’s no serious argument about why we don’t have two states. Palestinian leadership has been a complete disaster, with horrific results for the Palestinian people. 75 years of suffering, all for nothing. Speaking the truth about this is the only way forward. |
Anonymous
Happened to who? The non-Jews? Some live in Gaza, Israel, and the West Bank. Some live in other Arab states. Lots of resettlement and IDPs in the 1940s. All European Jews were actually IDPs after WWII. |
Anonymous
They got it because no one wanted to give the holocaust survivors their stolen homes back at the end of WWII, and no other country wanted them either. |
Anonymous
DP here. Listen to yourself. How does killing children help the hostages? You need to refresh your knowledge of the Gandalf doctrine. |
Anonymous
And if the majority want a muslim theocracy? A Palestinian majority Knesset would not be like reparations to Japanese internees, it would be like congress voting to give native Americans back all of their land without compensation. All of those refugees in Jordan who still have house keys- do you think Palestinians would even think twice about kicking out the current occupants and giving their property back? |
Anonymous
Democracy is messy. Israel already has theocratic institutions— if you want to intermarry you have to leave the country, for example. Women were airbrushed out of the pictures of the bin Ladin raid to avoid right wing Israelis needing to see photographs of women. I think democracy is messy and pluralism is hard, but no one has shown me a better solution yet. And regardless of what is done with the children of Gaza, Arab-Israelis could secure a Knesset majority. What’s the plan for that? take away voting rights from Israeli citizens? |
Anonymous
So pay reparations to the Palestinians who were displaced in 1948 and put the status quo in Israel’s constitution. Or politicians who are smarter than I am can come up with a solution. Oppressing Palestinians and forcing them to be an impoverished and stateless people clearly isn’t increasing Israel’s security. |
Anonymous
The reparations would be more money than Israel has. They are not going to pay out the value of the majority of the land in the country. They were fine with the status quo a month ago and once the devastate Gaza and create a larger no mans land without any crossings, they will be fine again. |
Anonymous
+ 1,000. The Brits also created the problem by at one point promising three different groups the West Bank /Jerusalem : Zionist movement , the Al Hussein dynasty in Jordan, and the Palestinians; The Brits during WW1 wanted to undo the only rival empire to theirs which was the Ottoman Empire. They convinced the Arabs to side with them against the Turks in exchange for Arab independence/countries ran by and for Arabs. This is how the Saud family was birthed and the Jordan royal family (originating from Saudi). Jordan’s royal family was promised by the Brits all of the West Bank and Jerusalem and so were Palestinians. At the same time , however , Brits had promised the Zionist movement the same land in Jerusalem and the West Bank to solve the Jewish migration and refugee problem in Europe |
Anonymous
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For those wanting a quick education in what happened in 1947-48, here is a longish article that blows away the myths of "but they were shooting at us!" or "but they were told to leave by their rulers!" (?) Looking at the preserved writings of the first Zionists, the article makes it clear that the "mandatory transfer" of Arabs was always the plan, because in the words of Israeli historian Benny Morris,
“A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them.” https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/11/14/benny-morriss-untenable-denial-of-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/ "Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here. . . . There is no justification for acts of rape. There is no justification for acts of massacre. Those are war crimes. But in certain conditions, expulsion is not a war crime. I don’t think that the expulsions of 1948 were war crimes. You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs. You have to dirty your hands. . . . There are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing. I know that this term is completely negative in the discourse of the 21st century, but when the choice is between ethnic cleansing and genocide—the annihilation of your people—I prefer ethnic cleansing. . . . That was the situation. That is what Zionism faced. A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. . . . I feel sympathy for the Palestinian people, which truly underwent a hard tragedy. I feel sympathy for the refugees themselves. But if the desire to establish a Jewish state here is legitimate, there was no other choice. . . . But I do not identify with Ben-Gurion. I think he made a serious historical mistake in 1948. Even though he understood the demographic issue and the need to establish a Jewish state without a large Arab minority, he got cold feet during the war. In the end, he faltered. . . . If he was already engaged in expulsion, maybe he should have done a complete job. . . . If the end of the story turns out to be a gloomy one for the Jews, it will be because Ben-Gurion did not complete the transfer in 1948. Because he left a large and volatile demographic reserve in the West Bank and Gaza and within Israel itself. . . . The non-completion of the transfer was a mistake." |
Anonymous
Noticing how people here forget about those murdered and those hostages still held |
Anonymous
Sad, but so very true. The USA has very little credibility. |